Popular Post Quintus 5,399 Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/the-oscar-best-picture-showdown/ A just result _deleted_, Edmilson, Arpy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 A bit of faith in humanity is restored. _deleted_, Chen G. and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,393 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I usually don't give a shit about what Rotten Tomatoes fans think. But in this case they're 100% right . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 No Country for Old Men, just thinking of relatively recent films, is a far superior piece of work Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thor 7,471 Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 Sheesh. Them fanboys. I mean, it's a marvelous film, but it's not the best "Best Film" winner of all time. Pellaeon, SteveMc, mstrox and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 And that's not what this test says about it! It says it's the best of two of the best of two arbitrarily paired of the best of two arbitrarily paired of the best of two arbitrarily paired of the best of two arbitrarily paired of the best of two arbitrarily paired Best Picture winners! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,393 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 This is a list voted by fans, common people, so maybe movies like ROTK, Braveheart, Titanic, will have more votes. A list from professional critics would probably include more challenging, thoughtful stuff, such as Parasite, No Country for Old Men, American Beauty, etc. The only movies that would get no love neither from audiences or critics are those Oscar bait movies that take Best Picture somehow, including forgettable stuff like The Shape of Water, Green Book, The King's Speech, Shakeaspeare in Love... Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 King's Speech is very good! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 It is probably my favorite best picture winner. But is it objectively the best? Debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 My Fair Lady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 hours ago, John said: It is probably my favorite best picture winner. But is it objectively the best? Debatable. Film vs film, I'd say One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is the best here. Film versus trilogy? Return of the King is deserving. Because we all know its Academy Award haul was in recognition of its achievement as a whole trilogy rather than the final film itself (one that isn't the very best instalment of the three). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,471 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES, LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, THE FRENCH CONNECTION, ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST, THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS and SCHINDLER'S LIST are all films I would place ahead of LOTR 3. Ricard and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,389 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 The Shape of Water beat the The Deer Hunter in the 2nd round?! 🤮 My vote would have been for The Silence of the Lambs. Also Dances with Wolves didn't even make the 'tournament?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Looks like fanboy films really did well. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,393 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 The fact is, most of the true cinema classics, the movies that actually advanced it as an art form, aren't Best Picture Winners. No Kubrick movies, no Leone, no Hitchcock, only one single Scorsese (and not one of his best)... And yeah, since this is JWFan, no Star Wars or any of Spielberg's early classics (Jaws, CETK, E.T., Raiders). Of course, there's stuff like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Lawrence of Arabia, No Country for Old Men, The Godfather, The Silence of the Lambs, etc., but I guess you'll find more relevant movies that didn't win or even got nominated than amongst the winners. Heck, MY favorite movie of all time, The Fellowship of the Ring (which I love more than Towers and Return) haven't won on his year, loosing to A Beautiful Mind (which I actually like, tbh, but anyway). Here's a great Wisecrack video essay shitting on the Oscars, and explaining why it is a shitty, flawed award: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Of all Best Picture nominees, my favorite....hmm.... Either Amadeus or The Godfather Part II I'd say. The LOTR movies are a relic of my youth that I don't watch or think much about anymore. ROTK is a very clumsy piece of work that gets by on sheer heft and the emotional power of its best scenes. SteveMc and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: gets by on sheer heft and the emotional power of its best scenes. which is exactly the point of cinema. I measure films strictly by how it makes me feel, how much and how often during their runtime. By that measure, The Return of the King is my choice for the Best Best Picture. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 RotK is a rare case of a genuinely popular popcorn fantasy winning best picture, so when RT ratings are driving, it's got the best chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Thor said: Sheesh. Them fanboys. I mean, it's a marvelous film, but it's not the best "Best Film" winner of all time. But it is. Edmilson and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: RotK is a rare case of a genuinely popular popcorn fantasy winning The 90s to early 2000s really were a golden age where movies that people actually got to see won for Best Picture. Even The Silence of the Lambs, while I do consider it more a thriller/drama than a horror movie, is far from a conventional choice for Best Picture. So were Braveheart, Titanic, Gladiator and The Lord of the Rings. Even Unforgiven is an unusual choice, given what few Westerns won the award. It also happened in the 50s to early 60s: Ben Hur, Bridge over the River Kwai and Lawrence of Arabia were very much the blockbusters of their time. I think that's great. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,672 Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 Yeah that was a good period. Now the planet is so fucked up that films examining the latest 'issue' are what gets critics excited. Edmilson, Chen G. and Quintus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 53 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Amadeus Enough said. 19 minutes ago, Chen G. said: The Return of the King is my choice for the Most Endings Picture. Fixed! Fabulin and Bellosh 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,389 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 @Jurassic Shark Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I measure films strictly by how it makes me feel, how much and how often during their runtime. In my opinion, judging films solely on this basis is as incomplete as judging them only on abstract technical considerations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just measure the amount of tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,393 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, Chen G. said: The 90s to early 2000s really were a golden age where movies that people actually got to see won for Best Picture. Even The Silence of the Lambs, while I do consider it more a thriller/drama than a horror movie, is far from a conventional choice for Best Picture. So were Braveheart, Titanic, Gladiator and The Lord of the Rings. Even Unforgiven is an unusual choice, given what few Westerns won the award. Also Dances with Wolves, which was one of the biggest movies at the worldwide box office on 1990/91. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Edmilson said: no Hitchcock Rebecca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Just measure the amount of tears. Not a bad idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Chen G. said: Not a bad idea! I was thinking of you when I wrote it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,393 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Rebecca Sure, but no Vertigo, Psycho, North by Northwest... My original point still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Casablanca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Is it the greatest film ever made? No. But it probably remains my favourite, even if at a more emotional level. It's a film that's played a fundamental role in my formative years and has come to define my love and music in the years to follow in a way that only the very best of films can. So this seems like as fair a choice as any for this absurd title. John and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Sure, but no Vertigo, Psycho, North by Northwest... My original point still stands. Those are all ace, but they were too ahead of their time. I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Out of Africa. And The Sound of Music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,219 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Driving Miss Daisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 The top 25 Best Picture Winners according to accumulated critical cache is 1. Godfather, The - Coppola, Francis Ford - 1972 2. Godfather Part II, The - Coppola, Francis Ford - 1974 3. Lawrence of Arabia - Lean, David - 1962 4. Casablanca - Curtiz, Michael - 1942 5. Apartment, The - Wilder, Billy - 1960 6. Annie Hall - Allen, Woody - 1977 7. Gone with the Wind - Fleming, Victor - 1939 8. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - Forman, Milos - 1975 9. All About Eve - Mankiewicz, Joseph L. - 1950 10. On the Waterfront - Kazan, Elia - 1954 11. Deer Hunter, The - Cimino, Michael - 1978 12. Unforgiven [1992] - Eastwood, Clint - 1992 13. Best Years of Our Lives, The - Wyler, William - 1946 14. Schindler's List - Spielberg, Steven - 1993 15. Midnight Cowboy - Schlesinger, John - 1969 16. It Happened One Night - Capra, Frank - 1934 17. West Side Story - Wise, Robert/Jerome Robbins - 1961 18. Amadeus - Forman, Milos - 1984 19. Silence of the Lambs, The - Demme, Jonathan - 1991 20. Bridge on the River Kwai, The - Lean, David - 1957 21. Sound of Music, The - Wise, Robert - 1965 22. No Country for Old Men - Coen, Joel & Ethan Coen - 2007 23. Forrest Gump - Zemeckis, Robert - 1994 24. Rocky - Avildsen, John G. - 1976 25. French Connection, The - Friedkin, William - 1971 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,393 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Those are all ace, but they were too ahead of their time. And that's the main problem within the whole concept of the Oscars. Some movies are just too ahead of their time that people need time to process it. So, it's like in 1989 the Academy thought Driving Miss Daisy was the superior film over Spike Lee's Do The Right Thing, but time proved them wrong. 5 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: The top 25 Best Picture Winners according to accumulated critical cache is 1. Godfather, The - Coppola, Francis Ford - 1972 2. Godfather Part II, The - Coppola, Francis Ford - 1974 3. Lawrence of Arabia - Lean, David - 1962 4. Casablanca - Curtiz, Michael - 1942 5. Apartment, The - Wilder, Billy - 1960 6. It's a Wonderful Life - Capra, Frank - 1946 7. Annie Hall - Allen, Woody - 1977 8. Gone with the Wind - Fleming, Victor - 1939 9. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - Forman, Milos - 1975 10. All About Eve - Mankiewicz, Joseph L. - 1950 11. On the Waterfront - Kazan, Elia - 1954 12. Deer Hunter, The - Cimino, Michael - 1978 13. Unforgiven [1992] - Eastwood, Clint - 1992 14. Best Years of Our Lives, The - Wyler, William - 1946 15. Schindler's List - Spielberg, Steven - 1993 16. Midnight Cowboy - Schlesinger, John - 1969 17. It Happened One Night - Capra, Frank - 1934 18. West Side Story - Wise, Robert/Jerome Robbins - 1961 19. Amadeus - Forman, Milos - 1984 20. Silence of the Lambs, The - Demme, Jonathan - 1991 21. Bridge on the River Kwai, The - Lean, David - 1957 22. Sound of Music, The - Wise, Robert - 1965 23. No Country for Old Men - Coen, Joel & Ethan Coen - 2007 24. Forrest Gump - Zemeckis, Robert - 1994 25. Rocky - Avildsen, John G. - 1976 No ROTK, no credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Edmilson said: And that's the main problem within the whole concept of the Oscars. Some movies are just too ahead of their time that people need time to process it. So, it's like in 1989 the Academy thought Driving Miss Daisy was the superior film over Spike Lee's Do The Right Thing, but time proved them wrong. Haven't seen those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Those are all ace, but they were too ahead of their time. I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Out of Africa. Get out with your chick flicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Robert Redford plays a very manly man. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,471 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 hour ago, gkgyver said: But it is. No, it isn't. With the LOTR films, I have this weird sensation that I want to laud the films for the excellence that they do have. But I also want to punch the fanboys in the face. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Fanboy vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,389 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Thor said: But I also want to punch the fanboys in the face. Just the ones that haven't read the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 It's too scholarly a view but it should be mandatory for voters to watch movies pre-1970, and really watch them. That something like ROTK or Braveheart figures so high, i mean, well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,393 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, publicist said: It's too scholarly a view but it should be mandatory for voters to watch movies pre-1970 The younger ones will find them very problematic in their depicions of race, gender, sex, etc. They label everything made before the invention of social media problematic. "But The French Connection is a powerful cinema classic!" "Yeah, but why there isn't a single strong female character on the movie? Why not make Popeye Doyle a woman? And why there isn't a single homossexual couple on this thing?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 53 minutes ago, Glóin the Dark said: I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Driving Miss Daisy. I get you're joking, but I do enjoy that movie. Winning Best Picture was the worst thing that could've happened to it. It meant that it had to become some kind of cultural emblem. When in reality it's just a very well-observed, nice little character study with endearing performances, and very true to the time period. I have a lot of family in Georgia and my mom grew up in that time period, it's very true to what it was like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Also, they're not realistic enough, and a lot of them b/w. Truth to be told, i'm still amazed when i occasionally see old Michael Curtiz or (insert name) movies how much modern pics rely on them in terms of how to move a camera or taking a shortcut to get from A to D or what have you. There was a lot of crap then, too, but even in silent films you find things some people probably thik were invented 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 hour ago, publicist said: It's too scholarly a view but it should be mandatory for voters to watch movies pre-1970, and really watch them. That something like ROTK or Braveheart figures so high, i mean, well.... Could be because technology and experience developed so much over the decades that the newer films are simply better because they're more interesting and built upon the previous generation. It's called evolution. You wouldn't require someone today to test drive a car from the 70s. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,639 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I find the LOTR trilogy boring (both books and movies), but I get that I am in a small minority. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Never saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Disco Stu said: The LOTR movies are a relic of my youth that I don't watch or think much about anymore. So it begins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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