Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 They were written around the same time... which one do you prefer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Aviator is probably shorter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 It certainly has got fewer endings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Quintus 5,399 Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 This thread is how you know JWFan is slow and boring this week. 1977, Edmilson and _deleted_ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just like Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Aviator had a score? Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 You probably didn't notice because you didn't see the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,372 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I don't think it's a fair comparison, both are very different works, from very different scales. It's like comparing The Last Jedi with The Post, or The Lost World with Amistad, or, for Horner fans, The Spiderwick Chronicles and Avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Edmilson said: The Last Jedi with The Post Easy! The Post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I wouldn't know. Never saw or heard the aviator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,456 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 It's been a million years since I saw THE AVIATOR, and I can't remember any of the music. So it would have to be ROTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,978 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Difficult. Both are excellent but in very different ways. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 The only musical thing I remember from The Aviator is the classical piece played during the flying-filming scene. I think it was Tchaikovsky. Edit. nvm, it was Bach. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 ROTK and it’s not even close. Fargo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 50 minutes ago, Fargo said: The only musical thing I remember from The Aviator is the classical piece played during the flying-filming scene. I think it was Tchaikovsky. Edit. nvm, it was Bach. Bach really knew how to score a flying sequence! Even better than Horner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: You probably didn't notice because you didn't see the film. I have. Hard to notice a score when it is so diluted. The Academy disqualified it for good reason. It did not make any impression in the movie at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: I have. Hard to notice a score when it is so diluted. The Academy disqualified it for good reason. It did not make any impression in the movie at all. It's probably easier to take notice of a score when you watch a film twenty times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Scorsese uses so much preexisting music that his films are typically not showcases for scores. There are exceptions though like Hugo and Age of Innocence and Taxi Driver etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Return of the King is the de facto choice here anyway given that it was the last of the great orchestral film scores. The final one of its type, marking the true end of the golden era of orchestral film music. Absolutely everything since has paled in comparison. Arpy and Fargo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 You're implying that the Hobbit scores aren't great, which I'm inclined to agree about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fargo 297 Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 Yeah but he's also implying that the score for Batman v Superman isn't a great score, which is just bollocks. Quintus, Edmilson and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: You're implying that the Hobbit scores aren't great, which I'm inclined to agree about. Pleasant soundtracks which meant well in their own way, but hardly representative of scoring greatness. Lightning didn't strike twice, films and score. Evanus and Edmilson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Which is the better score? THE FLY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,491 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Shelob! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Quintus said: Pleasant soundtracks which meant well in their own way, but hardly representative of scoring greatness. Lightning didn't strike twice, films and score. Yup. I was surprised when I discovered that Filmtracks had given all the Hobbit scores top rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 If the three LOTR scores & movies didn't exist - and Shore then came out with his Hobbit scores - would that change the way you feel about them? Personally I feel like they are hindered by the shadow of the original ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 Good question. Shore never managed to follow up the very good FotR score in its two sequels, so I didn't expect him to manage it with The Hobbit scores either. But I was hoping for something more memorable. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Is THE AVIATOR the better score? It's up in the air. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: They were written around the same time... which one do you prefer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 36 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Good question. Shore never managed to follow up the very good FotR score in its two sequels, I disagree with this. Or more specifically, I think Fellowship both film and score win out simply by virtue of their being the strongest aspect of an exceptional trilogy. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,372 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I love all of the trilogy... But I love Fellowship, movie and score, a little more than the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Quintus said: being the strongest aspect of an exceptional trilogy. 3 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I love all of the trilogy... But I love Fellowship, movie and score, a little more than the others. Then we feel the same, just to different degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I love all of the trilogy... But I love Fellowship, movie and score, a little more than the others. All Lord Of The Rings movies are equal, but some are more equal than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, Kühni said: The Aviator it is then! 3 hours ago, Thor said: It's been a million years since I saw THE AVIATOR And you keep saying you aren't funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 RotK is better than both FotR and TTT. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Evanus 216 Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 All 6 Middle-earth scores are fantastic, it's hard to pick a favorite. Maybe FOTR. I'm still waiting for the complete recordings of the Hobbit. Chen G., Arpy and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, gkgyver said: RotK is better than both FotR and TTT. When Barad-dûr collapses, and the "evil" theme turns from minor, to major, I'm not not sure if I've ever heard a more triumphant piece of Shore music. Sublime. Quintus and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Fargo said: The only musical thing I remember from The Aviator is the classical piece played during the flying-filming scene. I think it was Tchaikovsky. Edit. nvm, it was Bach. Wasn't the rejected "Icarus" written for this sequence? Pretty great pastiche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,491 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 How things develop and entangle and come into their own grow in RotK, still allowing for new stuff to pop up, especially with Doug's book to assist the listener... I could start looking at structure and pacing and all that to compare but on my last CR relisten and read-along last month, I used up 9 tissues... 2/1/6 as broken down per score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Fargo said: The only musical thing I remember from The Aviator is the classical piece played during the flying-filming scene. I think it was Tchaikovsky. Edit. nvm, it was Bach. Oof those 2004 VFX. Looks like video game cut scenes. I daresay even LOTR looks pretty bad in places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 25 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Oof those 2004 VFX. Looks like video game cut scenes. One thing they forgot was the dirt. 36 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Wasn't the rejected "Icarus" written for this sequence? Pretty great pastiche. A great track! Please elaborate what you think his inspirations were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chen G. 3,942 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, gkgyver said: RotK is better than both FotR and TTT. Combined, you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 The current narrative being everyone having unique viewpoints on three different scores? I think RotK has some of my favorite individual tracks of the trilogy, but my favorite one to listen from start to end is FotR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,372 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Okay, so this thread made me want to revisit... The Aviator (ROTK I know it back to back). It's a pretty good little score by Shore. A nice mix of some LOTR-style "action" music (no choir, unfortunately), some anguished strings similar to North and Herrmann representing Hughes' descent into madness, and some Old Hollywood-ish music for the era. Loved the dissonant music on tracks like Hollywood 1927 and Screening Room, great psychological scoring by Shore. I liked it a lot, and pretty sure I'll revisit it a lot over the next days. Also, I guess ROTK was pretty fresh on his head when he wrote The Aviator, because this is quite LOTR-esque: There's these strings similar to the Lothlorien music from Fellowship, and the bold brass reminded me a little of parts of ROTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 The counterpoint work is brilliant, and how he abstracts "Icarus" into the dramatic underscore is fantastic. The flying fanfare, and LOTR-lite material, not so much. It's a good score, but it is no ROTK. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 To me, FotR is one part of a trilogy, an evolving narrative, each score building and developing until it reaches its climax in RotK. It's difficult to separate them. Edmilson and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 FotR was the first CD I ever bought with my own money (first score CD). It’ll always hold a special place in my heart... though at the time it was the OST - and now I prefer the complete recordings. Probably why I prefer it to the others. Continuing my trip down memory lane, I think my second film score CD purchase was Spider-man 2 in 2002. Definitely a downgrade from my first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Fargo said: Continuing my trip down memory lane, I think my second film score CD purchase was Spider-man 2 in 2002. Definitely a downgrade from my first one. Fuck you! Edmilson and Fargo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 41 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: Fuck you! What would Harry Osborne say if he saw you right now? For shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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