crocodile 7,982 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 THE SWARM: LIMITED EDITION (2-CD SET) LLLCD 1515 Music by Jerry Goldsmith Limited Edition of 3000 Units RETAIL PRICE: $29.98 STARTS SHIPPING MARCH 3 Orders start 12 noon (pst) on 3/3 at www.lalalandrecords.com La-La Land Records and Warner Bros. proudly present the remastered and expanded 2-CD reissue of legendary composer Jerry Goldsmith’s (PLANET OF THE APES, THE OMEN, STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE, BASIC INSTINCT), original motion picture score to the 1978 big-screen bees-gone-amok THE SWARM, starring Michael Caine, Katherine Ross and Richard Widmark, and directed and produced by the remarkable Irwin Allen. Giant in scope and sound, Jerry Goldsmith’s rip-roaring action score is an indestructible, hard-charging marvel of orchestration. This remastered, deluxe “Expanded Archival Collection” presentation showcases the maestro’s film score on Disc One, while Disc Two presents the CD world premiere of the original 1978 LP program, featuring unique edits and takes, and additional bonus cues! Produced by Bruce Botnick and Neil S. Bulk and entirely re-mixed and mastered in high resolution by Botnick from first generation ½’’ analog studio vault elements, this special release is limited to 3000 units and features exclusive, in depth liner notes by “The Fantasy Film Worlds of Irwin Allen” author Jeff Bond and stingingly sharp art direction by Dan Goldwasser. This release is MQA encoded. Listeners with an MQA decoder can enjoy this album in high resolution, up to 176.4 kHz/24-bit, from these Compact Discs. For more information please visit https://www.mqa.co.uk/. TRACK LISTING: DISC 1: THE FILM SCORE 1. Main Title (Film Version) 4:26 2. Red Two Reporting 2:23 3. The Black Mass 2:33 4. What Happened? / The Picnic 2:13 5. The Bees’ Picnic (Film Version) 2:20 6. On Their Way :59 7. Get Him Out 2:13 8. Plastic Hives / Old Friends 3:14 9. Don’t Take Him (Film Version) 4:26 10. The Boys And The Bees 2:04 11. Oh Maureen / We’ll Come Back 2:26 12. Bees On Fire 1:31 13. Toward Marysville :37 14. The Lollipop :42 15. A Gift Of Flowers 2:01 16. The Bees Arrive (Film Version) 4:54 17. A Boy’s Story 1:51 18. The Park :41 19. Condolences :59 20. Empty Town 1:38 21. Train Attack 2:26 22. No Effect 1:11 23. Tommy’s Death (Film Version) 3:24 24. Exact Instructions (Film Version) 7:16 25. Departed Friend 1:15 26. The Glasses / Houston Headquarters 3:48 27. Burn ‘Em Out :44 28. Get Reinforcements 2:29 29. Bees Inside (Film Version) 5:23 30. End Title (Film Version) 3:07 TOTAL DISC 1 TIME: 75:17 DISC 2: THE ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK ALBUM 1. Main Title 3:42 2. A Gift Of Flowers 2:03 3. The Bees’ Picnic 2:20 4. Tommy’s Death 4:18 5. The Bees Arrive 5:51 6. Bees Inside 6:01 7. Don’t Take Him 2:30 8. Exact Instructions 4:39 9. A Boy’s Story 1:51 10. End Title 3:13 TOTAL ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK ALBUM TIME: 36:30 ADDITIONAL MUSIC 11. Main Title (Original Version) 4:29 12. No Effect (Alternate Take) 1:10 TOTAL ADDITIONAL MUSIC TIME: 5:39 TOTAL DISC 2 TIME: 42:09 TOTAL ALBUM TIME: 117:26 Karol Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Sweet! I think I'll be getting this along with Far and Away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Interesting, this is the first I've ever heard of MQA encoding! Yavar Moradi and The Five Tones 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 32 minutes ago, Jay said: Interesting, this is the first I've ever heard of MQA encoding! It's obviously some new gimmick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 MQA? Why not just release an SACD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,297 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 hours ago, crocodile said: This release is MQA encoded. Listeners with an MQA decoder can enjoy this album in high resolution, up to 176.4 kHz/24-bit, from these Compact Discs. For more information please visit https://www.mqa.co.uk/. What the? I've never heard of this. So they've found a way to encode compact discs with high resolution audio? Why isn't this being rolled out to all LLL releases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I will be getting this. Also, they will offering great discounts on most of their Goldsmith releases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Awful film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 As I understand it, MQA is basically high-res audio that's compressed in order to allow high-res audio in streaming without significantly increasing the data rate. It has nothing to do on a CD, and actually lowers the quality if one doesn't have a player with a built-in MQA decoder: Quote MQA-encoded content can be carried via any lossless file format such as FLAC or ALAC; hence, it can be played back on systems either with or without an MQA decoder. In the latter case, the resulting audio has easily identifiable high-frequency noise occupying 3 LSB bits, thus limiting playback on non-MQA devices effectively to 13 bit. MQA claims that nevertheless the quality is higher than "normal" 48/16, because of the novel sampling and convolution processes.[14] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Quality_Authenticated I'm not buying a CD where the music gets a reduced bit depth on a regular player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 This is wonderful news! A muscular score, from a composer at the very top of his game, gets the release that it deserves. Consider it ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yavar Moradi 2,585 Posted March 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2020 Preview of the booklet art:http://www.warmbutter.com/cds/swarm.php Looking forward to this! Yavar Amer, The Five Tones and Kasey Kockroach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Definitely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Sounds horrible!!! The MQA part, I have no idea about the score. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 987 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Yup. It's going to make it fairly obsolete, considering it's the music industry's current attempt to make Hi-Res audio marketable. And that's not even getting to how it's technically lossy as when it isn't properly decoded. At least the other past formats stayed fully lossless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, rough cut said: Sounds horrible!!! The MQA part, I have no idea about the score. THE SWARM is brilliant! It's perfect late 70s Jerry. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, HunterTech said: Yup. It's going to make it fairly obsolete, considering it's the music industry's current attempt to make Hi-Res audio marketable. And that's not even getting to how it's technically lossy as when it isn't properly decoded. At least the other past formats stayed fully lossless. As I understand it, it's also lossy when properly decoded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: As I understand it, MQA is basically high-res audio that's compressed in order to allow high-res audio in streaming without significantly increasing the data rate. It has nothing to do on a CD, and actually lowers the quality if one doesn't have a player with a built-in MQA decoder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Quality_Authenticated I'm not buying a CD where the music gets a reduced bit depth on a regular player. Why the heck would LLL do something like that? I mean, they should know the effect. Apart from that, this is one of the last great late Goldsmith scores I know nothing about, along with Lionheart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Why the heck would LLL do something like that? I mean, they should know the effect. It's a test, to see if we would accept it on a JW release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 MQA sounds like some bullshit that nobody needs and that shouldn't be supported by an ambitious label like La-La Land Records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Ordered, MQA be damned. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 383 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Bruce Botnick first mentioned the concept of MQA during this talk w/ Mike Matessino Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I wonder if it also has pre-emphasis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Corellian2019 said: Bruce Botnick first mentioned the concept of MQA during this talk w/ Mike Matessino Botnick is a supporter of the format, as shown by a bullshit quote on the MQA website: "MQA for me is quite an emotional experience. One of the great pleasures of MQA, beyond its ability to give the listener high resolution sound, is having a true centre come out of two loudspeakers or earphones." https://www.mqa.co.uk/mqa-cd Anybody else thinks that's a moronic statement? First Shawn Murphy, and now Bruce has lost it too. Time to retire, Bruce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Time to replace all my CDs again, now with MQA quality sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,498 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Some harsh stuff collected on the wiki Quote Audio product manufacturer Schiit Audio announced that it will not be supporting MQA due to, amongst other reasons, the understanding that "…supporting MQA means handing over the entire recording industry to an external standards organization."[17] In a blog post title "MQA is Bad for Music. Here's why"[18] Hi-fi Manufacturer Linn Products criticises MQA's licensing requirements, asserting that MQA is "...an attempt to control and extract revenue from every part of the supply chain, and not just over content that they hold the rights for."[18] After having discussed several disadvantages for both the artist and the consumer Linn concludes that as a consumer you will "…pay a higher price for the same music, and you'll pay more for your hi-fi system too. And even if you don't buy into MQA, everyone will get less innovation, creativity and poorer music as a result."[18] In an interview for online publication Positive Feedback, engineer Andreas Koch is critical of MQA due to its lossy algorithms and compression, along with its licensing requirements; also saying that a format such as this "does not solve any problem that the world currently has."[19] Koch was involved in the creation of the Super Audio CD, the development of the Direct Stream Digital codec, and is co-founder of audio product manufacturer Playback Designs. An article titled Digital Done Wrong[20] on the International Audio/Video Review web site, concluded that MQA is founded on a fundamentally unsound understanding of correct digital audio processing and found that playback of a sample MQA encoding demonstrated gross distortion and reconstruction failure. It did however comment that some listeners may find the technical defects of MQA encoding subjectively pleasing. Naïve Old Fart and Timo Martikainen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2020 Shouldn't a guy like Botnick know about that reasonable criticism? And why does he try it out on a Goldsmith album and not one of the bullshit Transformers expansions? Kasey Kockroach, A. A. Ron and Naïve Old Fart 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Because the clips sound great and that's all that matters in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 https://www.linn.co.uk/blog/mqa-is-bad-for-music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2020 I listened with my handy MQA decoder. I received the following message. Quote B E S U R E T O D R I N K Y O U R O V A L T I N E Really adds a new dimension to Goldsmith's music. MikeH, Edmilson, Bellosh and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Ovaltine is called Ovamaltine in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Joe Soundtrackfan knows best, as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yavar Moradi 2,585 Posted March 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2020 Neil Bulk posted this at Jerry Goldsmith Online: Quote Hi Terry! I may be a little biassed, but yes, I think it will sound better than the Prometheus album. For one thing, we handled the "LCR" 3-track as intended. The Prometheus release was mixed in a similar fashion to the 1994 Varese release of "The Cowboys", which swapped the center and right channel positions. Our release restores the proper stereo balance, as did The Deluxe Edition of "The Cowboys", which I recommend. Beyond the mixing, I made sure the performances matched what was intended for the film and album takes. There were several differences between them. It's all detailed in the booklet. As for MQA, this was a decision Bruce and I made. He's a big believer in the format. Many of the latest Doors re-issues have been released on CD in MQA, and they sound terrific. From my point of view, the CD standard is 40 years old, and is still locked into into a 44.1/16-bit world. But I've been working in resolutions higher than that for years and when I buy music I prefer buying the hi-res version. When I bought a new computer and upgraded my Pro Tools to do 192/24, I specifically wanted "The Swarm" transferred this way. All of our work was done at 192/24 as well. Once that was done, I wanted a way for people to hear this as close as possible. Now we know the specialty labels don't get digital rights (they'd be tough on this anyway), and collectors still want CDs. So what do we do? MQA has found a way to encode hi-res data into a smaller container and put it on a fully compatible CD. And you know what? It sounds great! How do I know this? I spent time in Bruce's studio comparing our 192/24 Pro Tools session, MQA decoded disc and standard CD, all playing at the same time and level matched. I couldn't tell a difference between the 192/24 master and the decoded MQA track and the standard CD sounded really close to both. If this can withstand the scrutiny of Bruce's system, I know it sounds great. As one of my teachers at school said, "If it sounds good, it is good." And if you store your music collection on a hard drive, the discs will rip just fine. I've done it in Apple Lossless and FLAC and haven't had an issue. I also uploaded them to Google Play Music which converted them to mp3 and they work fine there, too. So don't worry, this album will sound good with or without MQA decoding and I think you're really going to enjoy it. Neil http://www.jerrygoldsmithonline.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=5133#pid21077 Yavar crumbs, Amer and The Five Tones 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Neil, such a good company man. This reminds me of that stupid Dolby Surround encode shit on RCA CDs from the early 90s that sounded like shit compared to the proper stereo Red Seal RCA releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Well, I've bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: I couldn't tell a difference between the 192/24 master and the decoded MQA track and the standard CD sounded really close to both. In other words, ordinary CDs are good enough. HunterTech 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: Ovaltine is called Ovamaltine in Germany. I'm sure it is, and in my house, it's called "vomit". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I've never heard of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 It's a bit like Horlicks, which is also vomit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 You guys and your vomit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,982 Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: It's a bit like Horlicks, which is also vomit. Hey, I like Horlicks! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 nominally better than Horlicks. Growing up in the 70s it was the allowed alternative for Quik (now Nesquik) in my house. You could never really get those instant coffee-like crystals to dissolve properly in cold milk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I'am so looking forward to this set. Strangely, I always thought the mix on the Prometheus cd was a bit off and it did sour my feelings on the whole album. I havent seen the film since the time of its release but a revist ought to ignite the interest. And thank heavens for the OST presentation on Disc 2 that should set my appetite for disc 1. With all the recent breakthroughs in the remastering process (since it last came out out 17 years ago) and with the expertise of both Neil S Bulk and Bruce Botnick its bound to sound amazing. The sound clips are indeed very good. So yeah lets have it... Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 46 minutes ago, Amer said: I'am so looking forward to this set. Strangely, I always thought the mix on the Prometheus cd was a bit off and it did sour my feelings on the whole album. I had a chat with the venerable Neil S. Bulk about this - the mix on the Prometheus release was incorrect, with right and centre channels flopped. Yavar Moradi and Amer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 No kidding. 20 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: I think it will sound better than the Prometheus album. For one thing, we handled the "LCR" 3-track as intended. The Prometheus release was mixed in a similar fashion to the 1994 Varese release of "The Cowboys", which swapped the center and right channel positions. Our release restores the proper stereo balance, as did The Deluxe Edition of "The Cowboys", which I recommend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 That's what happens when I don't read the entire thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 That's okay, it's pritty boring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Jim Ware said: That's what happens when I don't read the entire thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Ok, some folks have started recieving their copies. Please share your first reactions... Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Got a shipping notice yesterday so should arrive soon, usually within a week or not much more from Burbank to Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 On 3/6/2020 at 2:59 AM, Amer said: Ok, some folks have started recieving their copies. Please share your first reactions... It sounds awesome. Throw the Prometheus release in the bin. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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