Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Tom said: All that being said, I am sure Williams wrote whatever he wanted to write. Certainly. Unless of course there very different kinds of biscuits, and each kind was associated with a specific type of music, so he had to write the right type to get more of his favourites. Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Thor said: Well, it's certainly not my idea of atonal, the way I've been taught the term. Dissonance? Sure, there's some of that. But not atonal in the Webern/Schoenberg/Berg sense. Serialism aka twelve- tone music is not the same as atonal. There is more flexibility in the later while the former is a rigid systemic technique. Atonal music means it's not in a specific, identifiable key and can drift from no key to a specific key Think TRISTAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: Serialism aka twelve- tone music is not the same as atonal. There is more flexibility in the later while the former is a rigid systemic technique. Atonal music means it's not in a specific, identifiable key and can drift from no key to a specific key Think TRISTAN. I'm fully aware that 12-tone is its own thing, so I don't need any lectures on that. But it's fairly common to use the term for that particular idiom. As I've said previously, it's a flexible term. Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 33 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Certainly. Unless of course there very different kinds of biscuits Cookies, not biscuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Thor said: I'm fully aware that 12-tone is its own thing, so I don't need any lectures on that. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,359 Posted June 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2021 SO! What are all the times this concerto will be performed live that we know about so far? Saturday, July 24, 2021 Tanglewood, Lenox, Massachusetts, USA paired w/ Jessie MONTGOMERY Starburst / COPLAND Quiet City / STRAVINSKY Suite from The Firebird Boston Symphony Orchestra conducted by John Williams Saturday, September 25, 2021 Morton H. Meyerson Symphony Center, Dallas, Texas, USA Dallas Symphony Orchestra conducted by Fabio Luisi Thursday, September 30, 2021 Symphony Hall, Boston, Massachusetts, USA paired w/ BEETHOVEN Overture, The Consecration of the House / BARTÓK Concerto for Orchestra Boston Symphony Orchestra conducted by John Williams Saturday, October 2, 2021 Symphony Hall, Boston, Massachusetts, USA paired w/ BEETHOVEN Overture, The Consecration of the House / BARTÓK Concerto for Orchestra Boston Symphony Orchestra conducted by John Williams Thursday, April 21, 2022 Carnegie Hall, New York, New York, USA Philadelphia Orchestra conducted by John Williams Am I missing any? crlbrg, crumbs, Falstaft and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 He's really milking this! MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lairdo 726 Posted July 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2021 The DG Stage (Deutsche Grammophon's digital stage with paid ticketed events) will be broadcasting the July 24 concert from Tanglewood. From the email I just received: "In the second half of the month we’re delighted to present the world premiere of John Williams’ Violin Concerto No.2 with Anne-Sophie Mutter from this year’s Tanglewood Festival 2021..." https://www.dg-premium.com/dg_stage_video/world-premiere-of-john-williams-violin-concerto-no-2-at-tanglewood-2021/ Cost is €9.90 and the ticket is valid until July 27 for repeat viewings. The event on their calendar is listed as 8 pm central European time on July 25. So, not sure what this means given the concert is July 24 (at 8 pm EDT I believe). Perhaps since that time would be the middle of the night in Germany, they are just holding it to go up for viewing the next day at a featured time. Or maybe since Tanglewood is also selling digital subscriptions, the BSO retained exclusive "live" coverage. I think it will also stream live on WCRB radio. In any case, it's great there are a few platforms available to see and hear the debut. Pawel P., Muad'Dib, Timo Martikainen and 8 others 3 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Great news: the concert will stream online on Deutsche Grammophon streaming platform DG Stage: https://www.dg-premium.com/dg_stage_video/world-premiere-of-john-williams-violin-concerto-no-2-at-tanglewood-2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Read the post immediately before yours. WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Oops, sorry! Totally missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 I'm very much looking forward to this cookie concerto! GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Scherzo for Macaroons and Peppernuts. Jurassic Shark and crlbrg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 A reminder that the premiere of the concerto will stream live Saturday night at this website: https://www.classicalwcrb.org/show/the-boston-symphony-orchestra/2021-06-11/a-world-premiere-with-anne-sophie-mutter In addition, the website states that "broadcasts are available on demand for a limited time, beginning the Wednesday following the performance at the links below" (https://www.classicalwcrb.org/blog/2021-05-28/tanglewood-2021-on-the-air-and-online). Really excited for this!! crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Will said: A reminder that the premiere of the concerto will stream live Saturday night at this website: https://www.classicalwcrb.org/show/the-boston-symphony-orchestra/2021-06-11/a-world-premiere-with-anne-sophie-mutter In addition, the website states that "broadcasts are available on demand for a limited time, beginning the Wednesday following the performance at the links below" (https://www.classicalwcrb.org/blog/2021-05-28/tanglewood-2021-on-the-air-and-online). Really excited for this!! What time will that be (EST)? I don't want to miss this! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Just now, JohnnyD said: What time will that be (EST)? I don't want to miss this! The concert begins at 8 p.m. Eastern Time on Saturday night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Will said: A reminder that the premiere of the concerto will stream live Saturday night at this website: https://www.classicalwcrb.org/show/the-boston-symphony-orchestra/2021-06-11/a-world-premiere-with-anne-sophie-mutter In addition, the website states that "broadcasts are available on demand for a limited time, beginning the Wednesday following the performance at the links below" (https://www.classicalwcrb.org/blog/2021-05-28/tanglewood-2021-on-the-air-and-online). Really excited for this!! The Saturday concert might not be available on demand, as it is being made available on DG Premium (on video format) on Sunday evening. BSO Now is live webcasting the video of the concert, but this will be the only one in the season that won't be available on demand. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 6 hours ago, Will said: "broadcasts are available on demand for a limited time, beginning the Wednesday following the performance at the links below" 1 hour ago, Miguel Andrade said: The Saturday concert might not be available on demand, as it is being made available on DG Premium (on video format) on Sunday evening I think it will be available on Wednesday on WCRB since the DG stream is only available until Tuesday. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2021 From Doug Adams's Twitter Pawel P., crumbs, rough cut and 19 others 15 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Sounds really good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Five movements, tonal ending, evidence here of John's recent structural focus in his concert works. I can't wait for Saturday! Will and mrbellamy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Wow! Now I'm even more pumped for Saturday! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 I expect to love this concerto. I will probably love just as much these philosophical musings by Williams on the nature of music. Great, great stuff. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted July 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2021 You can check the full concert program notes here: https://a5974837ba.site.internapcdn.net/images/program-notes/2021-full-notes/20210724.pdf Jay, Bayesian, Will and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Remember the doubts whether Williams would make a good writer about his craft? Throooough the window! Miguel Andrade and Muad'Dib 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2021 For the past 6-9 months my listening has more and more been dominated by jazz of the 20s-50s, so it's gratifying to see that Williams still keeps that music of his formative years in his mind. Thornhill is interesting because so much of his output is nakedly commercial but for the attentive listener (as I'm sure Williams was in his teen years) the Thornhill arrangements often have ear-tingling features of harmony and orchestration. By the end of the 40s Thornhill was also using Gil Evans as an arranger and started recording some less frivolous tunes by bebop pioneers like Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, and Illinois Jacquet. Clearly that specific Thornhill era was hugely influential on Williams. I like to imagine JW really vibing on something like this around age 17 Muad'Dib, TownerFan, karelm and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted July 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2021 I love Williams' eloquence with the written word--it does surely makes you want to read more thoughts about music in general from him! From his description, it seems another work very much in the vein of his more recent concert pieces. Wistful and contemplative, with the occasional virtuosic outbursts. I very much envy all the people who will experience this live on Saturday crlbrg, MikeH, Falstaft and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 12 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: SWEET! I also saw in the program notes that, in addition to the world premiere, the Maestro himself is conducting it. I forgot about that; that is phenomenal! By any chance, is anyone planning on recording the performance of the entire piece? Or will the concert be available for on-demand download? I would sure like to have this be part of my Apple John Williams library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 This sentence is beautifully crafted: "One man’s sunken cathedral might be another woman’s mist at the dawning." Marian Schedenig and crlbrg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 30 minutes ago, JohnnyD said: will the concert be available for on-demand download? I would sure like to have this be part of my Apple John Williams library. On 7/1/2021 at 12:53 PM, lairdo said: The DG Stage (Deutsche Grammophon's digital stage with paid ticketed events) will be broadcasting the July 24 concert from Tanglewood. From the email I just received: "In the second half of the month we’re delighted to present the world premiere of John Williams’ Violin Concerto No.2 with Anne-Sophie Mutter from this year’s Tanglewood Festival 2021..." https://www.dg-premium.com/dg_stage_video/world-premiere-of-john-williams-violin-concerto-no-2-at-tanglewood-2021/ Cost is €9.90 and the ticket is valid until July 27 for repeat viewings. On 7/8/2021 at 6:35 AM, TownerFan said: Great news: the concert will stream online on Deutsche Grammophon streaming platform DG Stage: https://www.dg-premium.com/dg_stage_video/world-premiere-of-john-williams-violin-concerto-no-2-at-tanglewood-2021 On 7/19/2021 at 11:00 PM, Will said: A reminder that the premiere of the concerto will stream live Saturday night at this website: https://www.classicalwcrb.org/show/the-boston-symphony-orchestra/2021-06-11/a-world-premiere-with-anne-sophie-mutter In addition, the website states that "broadcasts are available on demand for a limited time, beginning the Wednesday following the performance at the links below" (https://www.classicalwcrb.org/blog/2021-05-28/tanglewood-2021-on-the-air-and-online). Really excited for this!! On 7/19/2021 at 11:07 PM, JohnnyD said: What time will that be (EST)? I don't want to miss this! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Well, thank you. I'll definitely buy a ticket to stream it. Better to see the concert as well rather than just listen. However, what I meant to ask was if it is available to download so it can be replayed any other time, rather than stream for a limited time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Right - since you can stream it, all you have to do is record the audio in Audacity, save that, then cut out just the Concerto and save that as a second file, and add that to your library Nobody will be selling the live performance in digital stores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 https://www.facebook.com/annesophiemutter/posts/370089164481746 Will and SteveMc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,359 Posted July 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2021 Quote Excitement is building up!! The general rehearsal at the Tanglewood Music Festival Tanglewood with the wonderful Boston Symphony Orchestra and the great master himself: John Williams. Words can not describe this experiences of hearing and feeling a new oeuvre of music for the first time. No piano reduction can ever even come close to such an imaginative, immensely complex and unique orchestra score world, as John Williams has written for his second Violin Concerto. May the force be with all of us on stage Saturday night for the world premiere. (And please mosquitoes – stay away from us! I got eaten alive on stage yesterday …) My exceptional sound engineer Bernhard Güttler is once again keeping things together -;)) You can watch this historic moment: Streaming live in the USA at BSO Now July 24, 8PM EDT. https://now.bso.org/live-event/26835/details?playlist_id=37 Streaming worldwide at DG Stage July 25, 9PM CET.https://www.dg-premium.com/dg_stage_video/world-premiere-of-john-williams-violin-concerto-no-2-at-tanglewood-2021/ Muad'Dib, Amer, SteveMc and 5 others 2 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 My Off, my Off, my kingdom for some Off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 This is a great reminder for me to wear bug spray tomorrow. The mosquitoes have been absolutely BRUTAL here this week, like nothing I've ever experienced in my life. I guess 3 straight weeks of rain'll do that Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,658 Posted July 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2021 An attractive woman in a tight outfit and my mind naturally gravitates to how good JW looks. Fabulin, Cerebral Cortex, Martinland and 5 others 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted July 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: Nobody will be selling the live performance in digital stores With DG providing a post-live stream for the concert, I wouldn't be surprised if we get an official release by them before long (in 20 different versions and formats). Might be they make a separate studio recordings, but that's expensive, and it also can't be sold on video, so I would imagine there's a good chance they'll release a Blu-ray of the actual premiere concert. crumbs, WilliamsStarShip2282, Will and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: Right - since you can stream it, all you have to do is record the audio in Audacity, save that, then cut out just the Concerto and save that as a second file, and add that to your library I'll give it a try. Hopefully someone else will be able to do that. I'm not very tech savvy (regarding computers, at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steve 593 Posted July 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: With DG providing a post-live stream for the concert, I wouldn't be surprised if we get an official release by them before long (in 20 different versions and formats). Might be they make a separate studio recordings, but that's expensive, and it also can't be sold on video, so I would imagine there's a good chance they'll release a Blu-ray of the actual premiere concert. Anne Sophie said in a recent interview that she wants to record the concerto. Not sure if live or studio. There will be encores from the Across the stars album and arte will stream the full concert https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/104491-000-A/anne-sophie-mutter-und-john-williams-mit-einer-urauffuehrung/ Will, Gurkensalat, crumbs and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 So what's the deal with the Arte.tv link @Steve identified above? https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/104491-000-A/anne-sophie-mutter-und-john-williams-mit-einer-urauffuehrung/ Is that a paid subscription service or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 On 7/22/2021 at 9:29 AM, Disco Stu said: For the past 6-9 months my listening has more and more been dominated by jazz of the 20s-50s, so it's gratifying to see that Williams still keeps that music of his formative years in his mind. Thornhill is interesting because so much of his output is nakedly commercial but for the attentive listener (as I'm sure Williams was in his teen years) the Thornhill arrangements often have ear-tingling features of harmony and orchestration. By the end of the 40s Thornhill was also using Gil Evans as an arranger and started recording some less frivolous tunes by bebop pioneers like Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, and Illinois Jacquet. Clearly that specific Thornhill era was hugely influential on Williams. I like to imagine JW really vibing on something like this around age 17 That's really cool! Will and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 593 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 8 hours ago, Will said: So what's the deal with the Arte.tv link @Steve identified above? https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/104491-000-A/anne-sophie-mutter-und-john-williams-mit-einer-urauffuehrung/ Is that a paid subscription service or something? It is a free streaming link for the full concert. Stream starts sunday at 8 pm german time. I suspect it will only be available in Germany and France. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Steve said: It is a free streaming link for the full concert. Stream starts sunday at 8 pm german time. I suspect it will only be available in Germany and France. Did somebody say VPN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crlbrg 381 Posted July 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2021 On 7/22/2021 at 6:29 PM, Disco Stu said: For the past 6-9 months my listening has more and more been dominated by jazz of the 20s-50s, so it's gratifying to see that Williams still keeps that music of his formative years in his mind. Thornhill is interesting because so much of his output is nakedly commercial but for the attentive listener (as I'm sure Williams was in his teen years) the Thornhill arrangements often have ear-tingling features of harmony and orchestration. By the end of the 40s Thornhill was also using Gil Evans as an arranger and started recording some less frivolous tunes by bebop pioneers like Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, and Illinois Jacquet. Clearly that specific Thornhill era was hugely influential on Williams. I like to imagine JW really vibing on something like this around age 17 What a beautiful album! Thank you @Disco Stu This one was definitely a surprise: TownerFan, Disco Stu and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 3 hours ago, carlborg said: What a beautiful album! Thank you @Disco Stu Thornhill is this fascinating mixture of serious progressive jazz and a sort of pop classical easy listening sound; WIlliams' continued interest in him makes all the sense in the world given the interesting contradictions of Williams' own career! Williams commissioned a Dick Hyman arrangement of "Snowfall" in the early 80s that has stayed in the Boston Pops Christmas repertoire ever since. TownerFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: Thornhill is this fascinating mixture of serious progressive jazz and a sort of pop classical easy listening sound; WIlliams' continued interest in him makes all the sense in the world given the interesting contradictions of Williams' own career! Williams commissioned a Dick Hyman arrangement of "Snowfall" in the early 80s that has stayed in the Boston Pops Christmas repertoire ever since. Is that the one recorded on 'Swing, Swing, Swing'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted July 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2021 Williams' deep love of Claude Thornhill is well known, as he mentioned him as the source of inspiration also for Heartwood and one of the movements of the Conversations piano suite. I think it's almost moving to see JW keeping his passion for what he loved as a youngster so much alive even in this late phase of his artistic life. He's definitely an artist very much in tune with the deepest parts of his soul. crlbrg, Will, Remco and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 2 hours ago, carlborg said: Is that the one recorded on 'Swing, Swing, Swing'? Yep that's the one! Personally, I prefer Angela Morley's arrangement that she recorded herself in the 50s (under her birth name) and that John Wilson later recorded for his Morley tribute album. I've always wondered why Williams commissioned a new one when he worked with Morley as an arranger/orchestrator frequently in the 80s. Here's that Morley arrangement: Miguel Andrade and crlbrg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 472 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 https://www.classicalwcrb.org/show/the-boston-symphony-orchestra/2021-06-11/a-world-premiere-with-anne-sophie-mutter So this link ist only for audio stream? Can I watch it live as a video broadcast anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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