karelm 2,890 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 So which Williams wrote the better rousing war music? John Williams: Men of the Yorkshire March Ralph Vaughan Williams: 49th Parallel Prelude Will and SteveMc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,385 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Neither, really. We've discussed this before, but they're both too slow to be 'proper' marches to me (and yes, I'm aware marches can be slow). And hence none are particularly 'rousing'. But good pieces in and of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thor 7,385 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Indeed. 1941, now that's a proper, rousing march. Naïve Old Fart and karelm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I'm also very fond of the *real*Midway march. That stuff linked above is mostly hymnal in character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,252 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 hours ago, karelm said: So which Williams wrote the better rousing war music? John Williams: Men of the Yorkshire March Ralph Vaughan Williams: 49th Parallel Prelude Do I really have to choose? Love them both. As far as the score to Midway goes, I actually prefer the Men of Yorktown March to the Midway March. karelm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,890 Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Thor said: Indeed. 1941, now that's a proper, rousing march. Grrr, maybe the correct word isn't rousing but stirring. But then the definition of stirring is: causing great excitement or strong emotion; rousing. 29 minutes ago, Miguel Andrade said: Do I really have to choose? Love them both. As far as the score to Midway goes, I actually prefer the Men of Yorktown March to the Midway March. Totally agree with you. Med of Yorktown March is gorgeous and moving music. You can also sense a bit of proto Throne Room in it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Of the two choices, I've got to go with the RVW. Sublime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Men of the Yorktown. Simply delicious combo of patriotic bombast and romantic grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,385 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 8 hours ago, karelm said: Grrr, maybe the correct word isn't rousing but stirring. But then the definition of stirring is: causing great excitement or strong emotion; rousing. True. That's the discussion we had a few months ago. I guess you can use both words, but rousing -- to me -- has always insinuated some form of uptempo. As does the word 'march' itself, i.e. a piece you can physically march to. Terribly difficult to have a band march firmly to the "Men of Yorktown" tune. As publicist said, it's more like a hymn. Interestingly and vice versa, Williams' "Hymn to New England" is more like a march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,890 Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Thor said: True. That's the discussion we had a few months ago. I guess you can use both words, but rousing -- to me -- has always insinuated some form of uptempo. As does the word 'march' itself, i.e. a piece you can physically march to. Terribly difficult to have a band march firmly to the "Men of Yorktown" tune. As publicist said, it's more like a hymn. Interestingly and vice versa, Williams' "Hymn to New England" is more like a march. How would you characterize a funeral march? For example: I think the general definition of a march is not about tempo but rhythm. But I know you are speaking in generalities. A waltz has a repetitive 1-2-3,2-2-3,1-2-3, 2-2-3 rhythm but is not a march. Marches are generally in 2 or 4 as if you are keeping a group of people keeping the same walking pattern, a march. But that pattern could be slow and solemn (funeral march) or fast and vigorous (military attack) or noble and moderate (a processional like Wagner's wedding "march" is a type of slow march). You can imagine the bride walking very slowly in an elegant and dignified way rather than a brisk pace. Though it isn't necessary to be fast such as the previously mentioned funeral marches or Strauss's Radetzsky March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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