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John Williams' Duel of the Fates vs Howard Shore's Mount Doom vs Don Davis' Neodammerung

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  1. 1. What is your favorite action music with apocalyptic choir?

    • Duel of the Fates - John Williams - Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
    • Mount Doom - Howard Shore - The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
    • Neodammerung - Don Davis - The Matrix Reloaded
    • Other (please specify in the comments below)

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Time for the most epic poll of this forum!


We all know that an apocalyptic choir has the power to make every fight scene unbeliavably epic. Many composers have tried over the years.


But what's your favorite action scene scored with an epic choir? The duel between Qui-Gonn, Obi-Wan and Darth Maul in The Phantom Menace? The last battle for the fate of Middle Earth? Or Neo and Smith flying around and punching each other?


Let's choose the best apocalyptic choir of all time!





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Tears of joy. Eucatastrophe par excellence. I love this feeling.

Battle of the Heroes is defo more apocalyptic.

A great effort in a medium of primarily meaning echoed by a great effort in a medium of primarily expression. I find it hard not to perceive Tolkien through Shore.   Thanks to that and, in p

Stop it.









But DotF is severely overhyped and Mount Doom obviously wins. If we count For Frodo+Mount Doom+The Crack of Doom+The Eagles of course, as we should.


"But zomg its da epic SW song not ovurrated" shuddup, it's repetitive as hell, all "development" amounts to the same as a mixer pulling orchestra sections up and down in volume, and it leaves me pretty damn cold. Film versions are better.

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Yeah, Duel of the Fates doesn't really fit the 'apocalyptic choir' description, it's a bit more uniform and directed when compared with the other two. Neodammerung and Mount Doom are more like portions of a narrative, whereas Duel of the Fates is a singular programmatic theme. 


I love Duel of the Fates, and would've chosen it above the other options, but I went with Mount Doom for that sense of all things ending. 


In the 'Other' category I might suggest 'Phoenix Rises' from X-Men: The Last Stand, some pounding percussion with apocalyptic choir!

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As other people are saying I don't find DotF apocalyptic. Is more epic, has the sense of a battle between good and evil more than "oh shit, we are going to die!!". Neodammerung is fine, but it lacks something... I can't point out clearly what it is (maybe the orchestration? The whole Matrix trilogy has one of those Don Davis' orchestrations were every instrument is always playing at the same time) but I don't like it as much as the other two tracks.


Also, I must confess that Mount Doom is developed with one of my least favourites melodies in the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I love the theme for the eagles but the rest no so much... And that's why I voted for DotF. I think is a great theme, but definitely not very apocalyptic.

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29 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

That's it! That moment in the music right there, leading to the climax at 1:50.


Bloody numinous is what it is.

A great effort in a medium of primarily meaning echoed by a great effort in a medium of primarily expression. I find it hard not to perceive Tolkien through Shore.


Thanks to that and, in part, the saturation with vocal music, Lord of the Rings becomes secularly religious. Transcendent.

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This was a tough one for me. All three were incredibly well written epic orchestral choral works that made the scene they accompanied infinitely better. In the end, I went with the unpopular Neodammerung because of Don Davis' avant garde style. It's too unique to ignore. But in terms of impact and compatibility with the film, it definitely goes to Shore's Mount Doom. What is high fantasy without an epic orchestral choral work? This leaves Williams' Duel of the Fates to win the most memorable award out of the three thanks to a catchy melody within the epic chorals. Each one has strengths that puts the other ones to shame. It's a rock paper scissors type comparison to me.

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That's not the point of this thread, though. Maybe you can make a poll concerning best 'adventure music'?

32 minutes ago, Borodin said:

How about neither? I don't need pretentious impressions of epicness with all the real adventure music out there.


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