fanofjw 0 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 I'm a big fan of John Williams and have loved the score from Jurassic Park. I've also played the piano for many years and ran across a piece composed by Denes Agay titled Little Suite in Baroque Style 1. Prelude. It's uncanny how this piece, published in 1972, sounds so much like the Jurassic Park theme song, published in 2007. Is there a connection? Thank you, Sonny Garza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,385 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Ha, ha.....what?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Examples, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Do you mean this piece? I couldn't find anything else. I mean, I can see where you're coming from, but it would be a real stretch to call that 5-note motif an inspiration for the Jurassic Park theme. It's a completely different style of music, too. There are no uncanny similarities that I can hear. DrTenma and WilliamsStarShip2282 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I can't hear a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 When people say Jurassic Park theme I still think of the Helicopter theme. Timestamped here, a lot of the harmonies and melody are identical to a phrase in Jurassic Park. There is definitely a connection as the majority of composers (no matter their skill) will unnoticeably copy little bits of different pieces to form a new piece. It doesn't have to be taken all from one source. It's more of a rare occurrence for a composer to sit at a piano coming up with totally original sequence, because the brain can't immediately interpret their utilization within a musical structure. Something 'heard' in memory tends to sound better, subconsciously artists take this without realization of their dependence, and thus, composition isn't solely a creative process, but an expressive process. Williams has a unique sound because he likes unique things, and subconsciously attracts to them. If only we were all as gifted as him meticulously stringing inspiration together in a unique, creative way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 If you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I do say so. Of course what also happens is composer B takes exactly from composer A, then composer C either takes from A or B. There's no sure saying that Williams heard this directly, or only heard something composed before 1972 like the vaguely similar Bach piece, or made up that phrase of Jurassic Park in his mind, but the former is more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Alrighty then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 The similarities are so strong I don't see how they could be denied. Possibly subconsciously lifted, but the resemblance is so strong (starting at 0:44 in the video) that I'd lean towards a deliberate repurpose job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Alrighty then! Jurassic Shark and WilliamsStarShip2282 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 On 5/18/2020 at 11:22 PM, fanofjw said: sounds so much like the Jurassic Park theme song Are the lyrics similar as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofjw 0 Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 Thanks for the interesting feed back. I'm pretty sure there are no lyrics except for Jeff Goldblum's version sung on Seth Myers show. Was wondering if a.composer can use another composer's main theme if the first composer is still living? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,615 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, fanofjw said: Thanks for the interesting feed back. I'm pretty sure there are no lyrics except for Jeff Goldblum's version sung on Seth Myers show. Was wondering if a.composer can use another composer's main theme if the first composer is still living? No, unless the composer is in a coma, then everything is fair game. That is why I need to get my vacuum cleaner back from Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,505 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 . DrTenma and WilliamsStarShip2282 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 There are lyrics? Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 This is a joke, right? They don't sound anything alike. Once and WilliamsStarShip2282 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofjw 0 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 No, not a joke. a legitimate question. Sounds very similar to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I was once told by a composition teacher that if we just compose on instinct, you will just instinctively end up ripping off other composer whether you realize it or not, and that's why he told me, the only correct way to write music was with a tone series and mathematic formuli. That is total crap, but natually composers do do that sometimes, and sometimes they do it intentionally. Williams has done both, with Tree Song being my favorite example of taking a sound that inspired him and made it his own. But there are some tonal qualities in this prelude that sound that same, but ultimately its really not. You have to think, Williams said that theme he wrote was meant to be this majestic "churchy" thing, which means he was probably thinking about the glory days of music written for the church, which would be Bach for the modern composer, as well as Handel. I've personally never heard any music that sounds like the JP theme, but the chord progression and the way it resolves is as old as music. He made it sound really really cool and more modern, but I don't think it was that Prelude that set him off. And in terms of the composer who wrote this prelude, go listen to this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,452 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 8:14 AM, Jurassic Shark said: I can't hear a difference. You mean "similarity" Why isn't that kid out playing, or working in a sweat-shop, or begging, or selling chipatis on the street, or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Why isn't that kid out playing, or working in a sweat-shop, or begging, or selling chipatis on the street, or something? That kid? Are you referring to Lang Lang? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Bach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I wouldn't refer to Bach as "that kid". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,090 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Biodome and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,452 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: That kid? Are you referring to Lang Lang? Who? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 JWFan? More like JSBFan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,618 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I bet Williams never heard this obscure piece of music. I believe the inspiration for the JP theme is Beethoven's 6th symphony , in the passage below. It's not a direct copy, but the structure is very similar and you can almost hear the pastoral JP theme in there. Curiously that's the piece Williams recommended in an inteview with Dudamel after he played the JP theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Taikomochi 1,126 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 I can hear the similarity, but it’s honestly such a short, simple phrase that I find it very easy to believe two composers could independently write that small, similar-sounding bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofjw 0 Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 I also see the similarity in the religious song "Lord, here I am" (video and audio above). Thank you for that. I'm relatively new to this this forum, but would it be prohibited to ask Mr. Williams what inspired his Theme music written for Jurassic Park. What led him to this haunting melody? How did these notes come to his mind? Was it from a religious song, a prelude, or merely an inspiration, notes that just happened in his head. My apologies to Mr. Williams if this question is not appropriate. Don't want to upset the Maestro. If there is an article that might provide an answer to my question with Mr. Williams, would appreciate someone sending it to me. Thank you, Sonny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, fanofjw said: I also see the similarity in the religious song "Lord, here I am" (video and audio above). Thank you for that. I'm relatively new to this this forum, but would it be prohibited to ask Mr. Williams what inspired his Theme music written for Jurassic Park. What led him to this haunting melody? How did these notes come to his mind? Was it from a religious song, a prelude, or merely an inspiration, notes that just happened in his head. My apologies to Mr. Williams if this question is not appropriate. Don't want to upset the Maestro. If there is an article that might provide an answer to my question with Mr. Williams, would appreciate someone sending it to me. Thank you, Sonny Nothing wrong with asking, and I would be shocked if JW ever saw these conversations. But you may be disappointed as you look for answers to that question. While his themes certainly build off of the centuries of musical traditions before him, most of what he writes is just a product of him having a natural talent as a composer and many decades of very hard work behind him. He has said that it does take a lot of effort to get a melody to sound "inevitable", sometimes with tiny changes making a big difference. But there's a lot that remains mysterious about how great composers are able to generate truly inspired musical ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 It's Jurassic Park It's Jurassic Park Where the dino-saurs livvvve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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