Jay 37,346 Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 Impressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Gabriel Yared has also often done this in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Directing from the piano, that's so... classical! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Never owned this album and never heard it. I listened to one song on Spotify just now... hard pass on this one. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 Peter and the Wolf / Nutcracker Suite (1984) Peter and The Wolf (Prokofiev) - I honestly don't think I had ever heard this before. What fun! I love how well it tells you the name of the featured instruments with a nice introduction so you can identify their sound. So smart! The story and all the music that accompanies it is very fun. Dudley Moore's narration was great! Nutcracker Suite (Tchaikovsky) - I liked this a lot too! I already knew March, Dance of the Sugar-Plum Fairy, Russian Dance, Dance of the Reed-Pipes and Waltz of the Flowers of course (who doesn't?), but I also enjoyed Miniature Overture, Arabian Dance, and Chinese Dance too. What fun! It's so easy to hear the influence all the music in this suite has had on so much film music in the 130 years since (though it was interesting to learn in the booklet that it didn't actually get performed outside Russia until an English performance in London in 1934 and the American premiere was 1940 in New York, so I guess nobody from the silent era or early talkies was influenced by it). Anyways, count this entire album as the first album of classical music I have every truly liked, from front to back before. This is all really good stuff! The front cover is a really fun drawing of a wolf (with Dudley Moore's featues) holding a french horn, really cool. No arrangers are listed so I guess it's all the original arrangements. Really good album! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jay said: The front cover is a really fun drawing of a wolf (with Dudley Moore's featues) holding a french horn, really cool. Time for a re-release with a new cover: 4 minutes ago, Jay said: No arrangers are listed so I guess it's all the original arrangements. They should be. It would be odd to perform rearrangements for no reason. Especially for Peter, which is so dependent on its orchestrations. On the other hand, when Karajan recorded Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition in the standard orchestral version created by Ravel (the original is for piano solo, but the Ravel version is the one everybody knows), he apparently augmented some of the orchestral effects (was it anvils? additional bells? I don't recall), but nothing about it is listed in the credits (at least of the version I have). Incidentally, I don't think I've heard Peter since childhood. MrScratch and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 Oh man I love that gif, but especially the version where he gives up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, Jay said: Oh man I love that gif, but especially the version where he gives up Yes, but I've been using that one all the time, so I had to mix things up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 Here's something funny. I've been too lazy to take my own pics, but this it the cover of the version I have The back cover is the same basic back cover as all the CDs I have But it looks like the vinyl version had this cool back cover art? Also, it looks like this alternate front cover exists? Or was that the original vinyl cover, and they just simplified things for the CD version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: Peter and The Wolf (Prokofiev) - I honestly don't think I had ever heard this before. What fun! I love how well it tells you the name of the featured instruments with a nice introduction so you can identify their sound. So smart! The story and all the music that accompanies it is very fun. Dudley Moore's narration was great! A live performance of it was the first orchestral concert I've been to! Possibly before I started recognising themes and their development in film music. It might even have helped! 1 hour ago, Jay said: Anyways, count this entire album as the first album of classical music I have every truly liked, from front to back before. This is all really good stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 Well I'm sure what made this classical music so interesting to me was that it had a strong narrative flow, like (good) film scores. A lot of the stuff that hasn't done it for me always ends up feeling somewhat meandering I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 There's still a lot of places to start just with that. Pictures at an Exhibition was already brought up, Beethoven 9/4 is all about the development of its well known theme, 1812 Overture is like a mini score with motifs growing and ultimately clashing... and then eventually you may warm up to other aspects too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 7, 2021 Swing, Swing, Swing (1985) This was fun! I enjoyed it a lot. The pieces I was already familiar with beforehand ended up being my favorites as well: Begin The Beguine (Cole Porter) - It was cool to hear an instrumental rendition arranged by Jerry Gray & Billy May, and compare it to the version I know best, Horner's vocal arrangement for The Rocketeer 6 years later. Both versions are pretty equally great, such a classy, swingy tune In The Mood (Joseph Garland) - Everyone knows this tune! I find it so essential to 1941's score I put it back in the main program, but even before 1941 (a score I never knew until the expansion came out), I already knew it from just general infusion into pop culture. This arrangement by Glenn Oser is good, I'd have to listen to back to see if I prefer it over the recording made for 1941 or not Sing, Sing, Sing (Louis Prima) - This is one of the most recognizable pieces of music ever, I feel like. I think I first heard it on a Kunzel CD and really liked it, and when I played it for my neighbor (a fellow kid my age when we were in middle school and high school, who shared my interest in film music) he was like "oh yea, I know that one!" and played the 1938 8-minute Benny Goodman version from his dad's collection. I think I preferred the Kunzel version because it was shorter, peppier, and recorded better, but now I think all renditions are pretty fun, including this one arranged by Dick Hyman. This is a great performance! Swing, Swing, Swing (John Williams) - Of course this had to cap off the CD (I like how on the original vinyl, Sing Sing Sing would have ended Side A in parallel). I have always loved this cue by Williams, its so much fun from the first second to the last, and I swear after uncountable listens, I still feel like it has this quality of unexpectedness to it. It feels like it comes alive with every listen! Like In The Mood I'm not sure how this compares for me to the 1941 recording, but I will say this recording is pretty damn great and an awesome album capper! All the other tracks were fine too! Some felt familiar to me more than others (I'm pretty sure I had heard Tuxedo Junction, Satin Doll, Moonlight Serenade, and String of Pearls multiple times before this for sure), but the whole album just had a good flow to it. Really good stuff! The album nicely credits a bunch of soloists inside the booklet, which was great to see. The liner notes by George T Simon were probably the most interesting ones to me in the whole series of albums so far. After breaking down the origins of the big band sound and its ties to the Boston area, and John Williams' father's connection as well, he had this interesting thing to say about John Williams taking over as maestro of the Pops: "One of his major tasks and achievements was getting symphony players to unbend enough so that they could imbue their playing of popular and jazz arrangements with the less formal phrasings indigenous to this sort of music. Here his early experiences as a jazz performer stood him in excellent stead." Excellent analysis! The rest of the liners are filled with interview snippets by Williams as well as some of the original composers or arrangers, really making it a fantastic set of liner notes. I hope this is a sign of more involved liner notes to come! I'd say this is probably the most enjoyable album in the series for me (after the film-score focused ones). Really well done! Bespin, Jurassic Shark and Bayesian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,362 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 These detailed reviews are a treat to read, Jay! They make me want to revisit these albums. Mattris and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 Thanks! And you should! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Jay is just 30 years late to the party with his reviews, but it's okay, yes we love that! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 I'm not generally a huge fan of orchestral arrangements of swing tunes, therefore my personal favorites from this album are the more drippy romantic tunes, like Eric Coates' "Sleepy Lagoon" and Claude Thornhill's "Snowfall." Thornhill was of course one of Williams' early musical "heroes" of sorts in the 40s, and I think Richard Hayman's arrangement here is very nice, but I prefer an earlier arrangement by Angela Morley. It's interesting that the Pops didn't record that one since Morley frequently worked with JW and the Pops in the 80s. Maybe the Hayman arrangement was just already in the BPO library. Morley's can be heard here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I'm not generally a huge fan of orchestral arrangements of swing tunes Me too, that's why I never bought JW's swing albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Me too, that's why I never bought JW's swing albums. They usually try to translate that distinctive saxophone "choir" sound in swing bands to the string section and it just never comes off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Hey, that's not the Boston Snobs Orchestra! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Bespin said: Hey, that's not the Boston Snobs Orchestra! JW knew how to please the old ladies drinking their lemonades in the audience. Just give 'em Glenn Miller! Jurassic Shark and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 27 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: They usually try to translate that distinctive saxophone "choir" sound in swing bands to the string section and it just never comes off. Not to mention that often the drum part is simplified and/or way too tamely pulled off, the swing is stiff, and there's a lack of tightness in the orchestra. In other words, it's been domesticated and made harmless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LongTallJodie 59 Posted May 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2021 I just started following this thread and I love the journey! Makes me wanna collect all these things too. The comps have always been a favorite for me; Aisle Seat in particular got a lot of play from me on vinyl. Ricard, Jay, Disco Stu and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 All I'm saying is that when Jay listens to "America, The Dream Goes On" next he better not have any negative things to say about the two Copland pieces or I'm gonna have to bring the hammer down. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 Fanfare for the Common Man and Rodeo are great! Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Oh man and I love that great Bernstein arrangement of "New York, New York", "Lonely Town," and "America" Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: All I'm saying is that when Jay listens to "America, The Dream Goes On" next he better not have any negative things to say about the two Copland pieces or I'm gonna have to bring the hammer down. Surely they can't be as great as America, the Dream Goes On? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Anybody else like America, the Dream Goes on, except for the vomit-inducing lyrics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 I barely remember it. I do remember thinking that the music is nice, but the singing is cringingly saccharine, even without the lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 America, The Dream Goes On (1985) This album was a mixed bag for me. Some tracks were wonderful and enjoyable, others really rubbed me the wrong way. I also didn't find the overall album had a good flow to it, it felt more like a scatterbrained collection of pieces. The liner notes even talk about the pieces in a different order than they appear on the disc, so I wonder if things got mixed around at the last minute. My favorite tracks were easily the purely instrumental ones Fanfare for the Common Man (Aaron Copland) - This wasn't the piece I thought it was, I don't think I'd ever actually heard it before. After 3 listens, it didn't make any lasting impression on me however. It's a bit on the boring side. Hoe-Down from Rodeo (Aaron Copland) - Just a classic piece of music; I'm sure I first heard it through all those 90s beef commercials but it's been used or referenced all over the place, like I believe 3 Horner scores? This is a fun performance of it! American Salute (Morton Gould) - A different, less gnarly and more peppy version of the "Johnny Comes Marching Home" melody than I'm used to from Kamen's Die Hard 3 variations that would come a decade later (or Goldsmith's Small Soldiers variations 3 years after that). Really fun! America Medley {New York, New York from On The Town / Lonely Town from On The Town / America from West Side Story} (Leonard Bernstein) - I didn't recognize the first two songs at all, but the America part was instantly recognizable and this is a fun performance of it! When The Saints Go Marching In (Traditional) - OK admittedly this song is kinda goofy (I always think of Homer Simpson singing it more than anything else) Most of the ones with vocals by the Tanglewood Festival Chorus suffered from the same issue I had with the Christmas album, and that is their really overbearing forceful singing style. It just didn't work for a lot of these tunes America, The Dream Goes On (John Williams & Alan Bergman & Marilyn Bergman) - The Tanglewood Festival Chorus is the least overbearing here, which is nice, and I like the sound of James Ingram's voice. The lyrics are not very interesting, but the music is pretty good. I'd love to hear a vocal-free version. Battle Hymm of the Republic (William Steffe & Julia Ward Howe) - This gave me flashbacks to having to sign this song in elementary school chorus or something. I found this to be a very slow, elongated for no reason version of this tune. I didn't enjoy the sound of the vocals either. This Land Is Your Land (Woody Guthrie & Stuart Philips) - The humming part in the beginning sounded pretty good, but then the real singing kicked in and I really got turned off quick America The Beautiful (Samuel Ward & Katharine Bates) - The noble horns in the beginning were incredible, I loved it! The singing started quietly, which gave me hope.... but it grew to eventually be overbearing. Still, probably the best of the vocal tracks though. Prayer of Thanksgiving (Traditional) - A curious album closer, its warm cozy sound evoked Christmas time music more than anything else. This didn't do much for me. Then for the final minute that overbearing chorus returns to completely ruin it for me. I can't decide if the cover art is pretty neat or kinda lazy, but the liner notes were a completely disappointment after the wonderful ones in Swing, Swing, Swing. I don't know what else to say.... nowhere near the top of the series for me I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jay said: Fanfare for the Common Man (Aaron Copland) - This wasn't the piece I thought it was, I don't think I'd ever actually heard it before. After 3 listens, it didn't make any lasting impression on me however. It's a bit on the boring side. Less on its own, but as used as the introduction to the finale of Copland's Third Symphony, it's quite literally my favorite music ever written. Joyful, elevating, life-affirming, even humanist, music that I love dearly like an old friend. But hey, we're all different people and obviously it's come to mean that much to me over a long period of time, not on a first listen. QuartalHarmony, SteveMc and Tom Guernsey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrScratch 294 Posted May 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2021 Oh man, I am behind on these... I’d never heard Peter & The Wolf or JW’s conducting of the Nutcracker before. I made it a few minutes into Peter & The Wolf just now on Spotify and I got bored with it. I might have liked this as a kid, but it’s not my cup of tea today. Swing, Swing, Swing is one of my favorite BPO albums. It’s great from start to finish and it was my first introduction to some of these classic tunes. I always found this recording of “Swing, Swing, Swing” to be pretty sloppy, the BPO is not up to this piece like whatever studio ensemble played on 1941. But it is still a fun listen. I would love to know what the BPO players thought of this piece as they were performing it. The song “America, The Dream Goes On” is a real stinker - one of very very few Williams pieces I outright dislike. I used to own this album and never listened to it. I don’t like corny patriotic songs and ATDGO is the worst. This is the only BPO album where the Williams track is the worst piece on the program. Bespin, Jay and Mattris 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 Bernstein by Boston (1986) I'm sorry to report that this album did absolutely nothing for me I know Bernstein has a ton of fans here but I really tried to get into this album, listening attentively twice, and this music just isn't for me. The opening West Side Story medley was OK, though a bit odd since we just got "America" on the previous album (America, The Dream Goes On), and it appears here again. That song has easily the melody I enjoy most from any Bernstein tune I've heard... Likewise, there's a suite of selections from On The Town, even though we just got two selections from that on the previous album too. This album also includes Overture: Candide, the same recording that appeared on Pops Around the World, which is kind of strange. Couldn't they have found one more original Bernstein piece to include instead? The rest of the music just didn't do it for me. A lot of noodling and bombast that never seemed to go anywhere. Sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 You didn't like the Candide overture either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 Didn't like it on Pops Around The World, didn't like it here. Sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I love it! At least that one doesn't never go anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I'm not a fan of Bernstein the composer... Never really got hooked by this album... One day, maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I own Bernstein By Boston and the only piece I like from it is the Candide Overture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2021 I find it hard to wrap my head around anyone not enjoying “Times Square, 1944” (“New York, New York”), surely one of the most fun melodies ever written with a great lively arrangement to boot, but there it is. It’s a wide world we live in. The Lost Folio, Miguel Andrade and Tom Guernsey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 22, 2021 Author Share Posted May 22, 2021 Simpsons did it better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted May 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2021 18 hours ago, Jay said: Bernstein by Boston (1986) I'm sorry to report that this album did absolutely nothing for me I know Bernstein has a ton of fans here but I really tried to get into this album, listening attentively twice, and this music just isn't for me. The opening West Side Story medley was OK, though a bit odd since we just got "America" on the previous album (America, The Dream Goes On), and it appears here again. That song has easily the melody I enjoy most from any Bernstein tune I've heard... Likewise, there's a suite of selections from On The Town, even though we just got two selections from that on the previous album too. This album also includes Overture: Candide, the same recording that appeared on Pops Around the World, which is kind of strange. Couldn't they have found one more original Bernstein piece to include instead? The rest of the music just didn't do it for me. A lot of noodling and bombast that never seemed to go anywhere. Sorry! Overture to Candide got a reprise here for being a piece close associated with the Pops during the Fiddler tenure. In the previous album we got a medley of three Bernstein tunes (from two different shows) while this time we got the Three Dances from On the Town just as Bernstein himself prepared for concert presentation. The two medleys are fun, if you ask me, though I would have preferred to have a Williams reading on the Symphonic Dances from West Side Story. But the main thing here, at least for me, was the bright and fun Divertimento, written for the BSO centennial in 1981 and that Williams championed, giving the LA premiere in 1982. And at the time, I believe this might have been just the second recording of the piece (Bernstein himself recorded it with the Israel Philharmonic for DG). Jay, Jurassic Shark and The Lost Folio 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 Pops In Love (1987) This was a nice album. The entire album has a nice, pleasant sound to it that really leaves you in a good mood. The three standout tracks for me were the pieces I already knew beforehand: Claire de lune by Claude Debussy - Loved this ever since Ocean's 11. Sounds great here Canon by Johann Pachelbel - A staple of weddings everywhere. It's nice! Fantasia on Greenesleeves by Ralph Vaughan Williams - It's good! The rest of tracks I have no specific commentary on, and none of them made me perk up and take notice necessarily, but I just generally enjoyed the whole album and the mood it created. It's very pleasant! The cover art is nice, though a big surprising they went with white lines on a black background instead of the other way around. The liner notes are by Richard Dyer of the Boston Globe, for the first time in the series I believe, and nicely cover the basics of each piece. So, I guess this is my second favorite album in the series that isn't one of the ones focused on film music, after Swing Swing Swing! Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Jay, that's pretty much my opinion of the album too. Though I do also really like the Pavane album opener and Le Cygne (The Swan), very nice pieces of music that I discovered through this album. I remember in my early days of film score CD buying when I was discovering these BPO albums I was kinda bothered that Williams didn't include one of his own love themes on this album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, MrScratch said: I was kinda bothered that Williams didn't include one of his own love themes on this album. Oh hey that's a good point, that might have been interesting. It's interesting to go through the series in order like this, and see that the earliest ones always included Williams on the cover and Williams compositions on them, and now now I'm currently in a long stretch of many albums in a row with no film music and no JW compositions.... and next up is The Planets, so that trend continues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Well, that's basically Star Wars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Leave it to Jay to find 99% of all classical boring and then write something nice about the one piece that has caused generations of bassists to die of boredom. Trivia of the day: Williams' Mars is by far the fastest I have in my collection. It's almost 2 minutes shorter than Herrmann's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 Just now, Marian Schedenig said: Leave it to Jay to find 99% of all classical boring and then write something nice about the one piece that has caused generations of bassists to die of boredom. Which one is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Herrmann's March is a glitch at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jay said: Which one is that? The Pachelbel. The basso continuo is just the same two bars over and over and over again. And yet it's so successful that tons of pop songs are based on it as well. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Yet? It's influential because it's simple and memorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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