Thor 7,464 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I actually like the dry 70s sound of the album. Not that I wouldn't be curious about a remaster, but it's no biggie as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 What about an expansion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, Thor said: I actually like the dry 70s sound of the album. Not that I wouldn't be curious about a remaster, but it's no biggie as far as I'm concerned. Dry? It sounds so muddy, flat, indistinct and soupy... as if all the artificial reverb scrubbed detail from the recording. We must have very different interpretations of a 'dry' recording. Anyway, I have no doubt Mike will improve the audio tenfold with a modern transfer of those elements (and fortunately it's Universal, who seem to preserve their analog elements properly, at least judging by Earthquake). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,464 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Well, I just don't think everything needs to sound juicy and crystal clear with contemporary standards all the time. THE EIGER SANCTION, with its baroque jazz melancholy typical of the era, is a score that in many ways benefits from the 70s sound. So yeah - we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 The 1670s sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, Thor said: So yeah - we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Agree to disagree on what? The actual definition of a 'dry recording'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,464 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 The value of the OST, and its sound quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I have no issue with the OST itself (it's a great listen actually), just the subpar audio quality. It's just a product of its era, when recording & mastering technology was hamstrung by analogue processes that degraded with each generation. I doubt Williams would be thrilled with its sound by modern standards; it wouldn't reflect the actual recordings. But I understand your point about the existing soundtrack sounding like something from the 70s, with its very analogue and dated sound quality. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be improved to sound as good as the recordings allow though; that is half the point of these restorations and remasters, after all. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,464 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, crumbs said: But I understand your point about the existing soundtrack sounding like something from the 70s, because it certainly has that dated sound. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be improved to sound as good as the recordings allow though; that is half the point of these restorations and remasters, after all. Some times, yes. Other times, not so much. I'm reminded of some of the Beach Boys restorations in recent years with each element pristinely preserved. Yes, they sound sparkling and in-your-face, but completely lack the warmth and soft dynamic range of the (IMO) superior original versions. THE EIGER SANCTION is one of those scores where I would "dread" a remaster that took all of this away, but at the same time I'm curious about it. I would definitely have checked it out, were one ever released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, Thor said: THE EIGER SANCTION is one of those scores where I would "dread" a remaster that took all of this away, but at the same time I'm curious about it. I would definitely have checked it out, were one ever released. The original OST will always be available for those who covet that analogue/70s sound, while Mike's eventual restoration will include the OST, likely reassembled using first-generation scoring sessions. In any case, Mike's not the type of producer who drastically alters the artistic intent of a recording; he presents it as close to the recording as he can (which is ultimately what Williams signed off on in the recording booth). There's a fine line between revisionism and restoration and fortunately he leans to the latter (though I imagine it's a balancing act, especially with elements that have deteriorated). Holko and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I'm not eager to revisit it. Very boring OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 THE EIGER SANCTION is the missing expansion piece from these 70s years... I would loved it! So much unreleased cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Yea The Eiger Sanction must be the production from the 70s from which Williams composed the most amount of music we don't have available to listen to outside the films themselves, right? aescalle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Isn't it in the movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Most of his 70s scores have been released in complete form (barring source music and/or extremely minor bits and bobs) The only ones that haven't are 1970 Story of a Woman 1971 Fiddler on the Roof 1972 Images 1973 Cinderella Liberty 1974 The Sugarland Express 1975 The Eiger Sanction I reckon The Eiger Sanction is certainly the longest of all those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Well out of the ones above that have a prior release(s), I have exactly zero of them 😂. So needless to say I would easily purchase a new release of any of those scores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I would too! I have the old Fiddler, Images, and Cinderella Liberty, but would have no qualms buying new and improved editions with more music and/or better sound quality Story of a Woman and Sugarland Express have obviously never had any release And Eiger is one album I didn't realize I wanted to own until after it was $50+ for a used copy! aescalle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 We need it! Clint Eastwood - The John Williams Collection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 I don't remember if I already ask, but if this score is expanded one day, do you think they'll include the Original Album on it? Compared to the score, is it redundant or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 The entire OST album is a complete re-recording; The actual recordings used for the film are 100% unreleased Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Thanks Jay, the OST was not documented as a re-recording in my disco. It's the first time someone confirm that info with me (I remember having asked before, few years ago in fact and it was unsure). So you got access to "new" infos.. It means that... OMG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 That's not new information. Mike even discussed the OST being a re-recording in a podcast last year. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,643 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 I mean, presumably Jason could have gleaned that information by fine-tooth-combing the movie and the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,242 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 19 minutes ago, Bespin said: Thanks Jay, the OST was not documented as a re-recording in my disco. It's the first time someone confirm that info with me (I remember having asked before, few years ago in fact and it was unsure). So you got access to "new" infos.. It means that... OMG! On 8/10/2003 at 4:39 PM, Adam said: Eiger Sanction is another example of his common practice during that time of re-recording the music for the soundtrack (or at least a healthy portion). On 9/27/2006 at 4:35 PM, MrScratch said: the album is a rerecording I believe, or at least some of it is On 5/29/2011 at 6:53 PM, Omen II said: The album is, like many others from that era, a rerecording that presents a pretty good overview of the score crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 You have to tell me these things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 FIXED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Cool I had no idea the Eiger OST was a re-recording now I’m even more eager to Eiger 😂 Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 People on this forum make this kind of "funny" things to me since I've created my website. They "think" some infos are clear and well documented when sometimes they are not. Anyway, I'm used to this and that's exactly why I created my website, to SHARE the information and to leave a trace. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartalHarmony 542 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 It might be controversial if any artificial reverb had been 'baked in' to the first-gen master tapes (i.e. added as the tracks were recorded, not in any subsequent mixing sessions). Since the edits to Superman had been done on the first-generation tapes, this isn't completely impossible. If that were the case, no-one would then be able to release the tracks in 'dry' form. I'm surprised there was any artificial reverb added at all - the fashion in the 70s was very much to record everything (esp. drums) as dry as possible - it then went to the other extreme in the 80s. I love the Baroque Jazz feel of Eiger - it's one of my two must-haves if it ever gets the full proper re-release treatment (the other being Hook, obviously). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Hook and Eiger Sanction would make an amazing pair of 2021 expansions. Everything else would be ice on the cake. I think Eiger should be in safe hands with Universal. I sincerely hope that reverb isn't baked into the recordings either (or that Mike carries it across to the album remaster). The OST has such lousy sound quality and I suspect it's a result of whatever ancient technology they used to generate the reverb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Hook and Eiger Sanction would make an amazing pair of 2021 expansions. Everything else would be ice on the cake. I think that's "icing" 1 hour ago, crumbs said: I sincerely hope that reverb isn't baked into the recordings either (or that Mike carries it across to the album remaster). The OST has such lousy sound quality and I suspect it's a result of whatever ancient technology they used to generate the reverb. I've always liked the dry sound of THE EIGER SANCTION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,464 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 25 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: I've always liked the dry sound of THE EIGER SANCTION. Indeed! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 I made a special section in my JW CD collection, for the scores using Harpsichord... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted April 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2021 Found what appears to be the original cue titles in the SABAM repertoire: Quote SCHLOCK POP - INSTR. SWINGING BACK AND FORTH THE MICROFILM THE SUNRISE THE EMPTY SAFE THE MICROFILM NEVER QUAVER THE EASY WAY TO THE DRAGON MORE GEORGE SCHLOCK POP CHUCK'S LUCK GEORGE REVEALS HERSELF HEMLOCK LEADS THE CLIMB THE FIRST SUNSET THE SUNRISE FALLING ROCKS SWINGING BACK & FORTH DOWN THE ICE FACE FREYTAG ON ICE HANGING BY A THREAD EIGER SANCTION MAIN END TITLE MAIN TITLE FROM THE EIGER SANCTION aescalle, Omen II, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Schlock pop? BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 But is it the names of the works from 75... or from the Expanded Release to come... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 On 2/3/2021 at 1:54 AM, Thor said: Well, I just don't think everything needs to sound juicy and crystal clear with contemporary standards all the time.. Right on, Thor! Same with photographs and films. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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