Josh500 1,615 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On the LLL release of The Lost World. Sure, the difference is only in the first 14 seconds or so, but still - I feel like John Williams himself couldn't decide which version he likes better, that's why he recorded them both. The first, original version (with the timpanis) is clearly an hommage to Max Steiner's King Kong. However, the alternate version strikes me as a bit more "badass," wilder, more aggressive, and ultimately exciting - hence these days I prefer this version over the original. That said, in any case, this piece is one of the most exciting and awesome from the latter part of John Williams's career! Absolutely love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt S. 493 Posted August 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2020 Of the two, I prefer the original. It's true that the alternate opening is more "badass, wilder more aggressive," but it's almost too much, too soon. I like the way the first version is a slow build from beginning to end. Josh500, Arpy and SingeMoisi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I probably have a slight preference for the original. My edit starts with the original as a prologue and ends with the alternate rounding out the end credits. I find this sequencing to be very satisfying. I like the alternate a lot but the original does feel slightly more like an organic part of the whole. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 alternate, because that's what you hear over the end credits. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Didn't someone say there's a third version of this piece? I think it was @Falstaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Which version of TLW do I prefer? The version which opened JW's LSO concerts, on 3rd and 4th July, 1998, at The Barbican Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 You forgot to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,651 Posted August 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Which version of TLW do I prefer? The version which opened JW's LSO concerts, on 3rd and 4th July, 1998, at The Barbican This one? Josh500, Arpy and Falstaft 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Didn't someone say there's a third version of this piece? I think it was @Falstaft. Yeah, I think this is where I mentioned it: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/32178-the-lost-world-alternate/&do=findComment&comment=1720844 Basically, there's the OST album version, the alternate version, and then the Signature Edition version (which we hear in the FSO performance, as well as Kunzel, for ex.). I have a hard time keeping them straight, TBH. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 My favourite is the revised version from a year after the film. It's such a shame they didn't record this for the third Spielberg/Williams CD, a totally bizarre and thoughtless omission (along with A.I.). Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 JW does JG. 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I'm going with the original because it's what I've known and been familiar with for years. I like both but I prefer the original opening over the more bombastic one. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Is the alternate version a true alternate recording or just an intro insert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 For a long time after I heard the alternate version, I couldn't decide what to make of it. I was so used to the original. This new opening seemed somehow too loud, too over-the-top, too jarring. However, you almost get used to anything. Now I totally get what Williams was trying to do... Anyway, I like them both, but the alternate version seems more powerful and also more original Williams (and not Steiner)! 1 minute ago, artguy360 said: Is the alternate version a true alternate recording or just an intro insert? Of course just an intro insert. The main is exactly the same. But that doesn't bother me at all. 5 hours ago, crumbs said: My favourite is the revised version from a year after the film. It's such a shame they didn't record this for the third Spielberg/Williams CD, a totally bizarre and thoughtless omission (along with A.I.). Has it been recorded at all? Is it on YouTube? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Never felt the love for this score. But, I'm one of the few who liked the film - despite the rehashed plot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 25 minutes ago, Josh500 said: Has it been recorded at all? Is it on YouTube? 6 hours ago, Falstaft said: Basically, there's the OST album version, the alternate version, and then the Signature Edition version (which we hear in the FSO performance, as well as Kunzel, for ex.). I have a hard time keeping them straight, TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 I meant whether the performance conducted by JW was recorded... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Josh500 said: I meant whether the performance conducted by JW was recorded... Oh, that wasn't clear at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 9 hours ago, artguy360 said: Is the alternate version a true alternate recording or just an intro insert? The cue released on the OST album as "The Lost World" is Williams' originally intended end credits music, titled "The Lost World (End Credits)" on the top of the sheet music. The LLL track titled "The Lost World (Alternate)" is a new composition titled "End Credits Intro", followed by all but the first roughly 14 seconds of "The Lost World (End Credits)", same exact performances and edits as the original track. artguy360 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I prefer the OST album version that was released upon the film's release (why isn't that an option?), although I could be without the digipack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 That's the first option. 8 minutes ago, Thor said: I could be without the digipack. You don't like the 3D dinorama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 1, 2020 Author Share Posted September 1, 2020 19 hours ago, Thor said: I prefer the OST album version that was released upon the film's release (why isn't that an option?)... But it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 I pretty much love each version equally. Like if either comes on I never wish I was listening to the other instead. But if I had to pick, I prefer the revised opening. It's really neat! Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 It is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 It has a certain energy to it that stands out as being pretty unique to me, from Williams or anyone else Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 I love pieces like this that start out with an energetic intro that's a take on material found later in the piece. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,406 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 The Lost World (Alternate) Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 19 hours ago, Josh500 said: But it is. Oh. The whole "LLL" intro confused me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,406 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 2, 2020 Author Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Thor said: Oh. The whole "LLL" intro confused me. Do you even have the LLL release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,406 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Josh500 said: Do you even have the LLL release? There's a greater chance of a Lost World of dinosaurs existing than Thor owning an LLL expansion. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 2, 2020 Author Share Posted September 2, 2020 But this is a close race anyway! 9:10 so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, Josh500 said: Do you even have the LLL release? No. I don't want it anywhere near me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 I guess you prefer to play with the 3D dinorama of the OST. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 I actually had to put the CD into a plastic sleeve that I then inserted in the case, so as not to scratch it. But a plastic sleeve isn't ideal either. So yes, I could be without the packaging. But ultimately, it's the content that counts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Are you implying that the dinorama isn't on constant display? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 2, 2020 Author Share Posted September 2, 2020 That diorama sure was the worst idea in the long sad history of bad ideas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 It was. But it's the original packaging, and it's all tied together, so it's not like I can take out the inserts and put it in a regular jewel case, so I'll keep it just the way it is. However, I DO want to exchange my copy of ATTACK OF THE CLONES. When I bought it on Amazon years ago, it looked like the version with the regular poster art on it. But when I got it, it was the Jango Fett cover. I have no interest in the various character covers they did for this, least of all Jango Fett, so at some point I need to sell it and re-acquire the 'normal' version. Just so it can be in line with the other two prequel soundtracks. I am a little bit picky that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 2, 2020 Author Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Thor said: It was. But it's the original packaging, and it's all tied together, so it's not like I can take out the inserts and put it in a regular jewel case, so I'll keep it just the way it is. I too still have the original diorama packaging somewhere, but I took out the CD and put it in a regular jewel case long ago. No way am I gonna slide the CD into the cardboard folder, where it can easily get scratched! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 There are like three threads about this topic already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuriousMan 16 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Alternate intro (same master heard in the credits), because it has more instrumentation and is more "badass", "aggressive" etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Wow the poll is split 50/50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, Jay said: Wow the poll is split 50/50 We have an extremely polarized electorate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 The original opening sounds more coherent to the rest of the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 On 11/10/2020 at 4:07 AM, Falstaft said: We have an extremely polarized electorate! I suspect there's fraud involved here... On 11/10/2020 at 4:22 AM, Brundlefly said: The original opening sounds more coherent to the rest of the track. I thought so too... But only at first. That's probably because we're so used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 The start of the alternate makes me like it much more than the original. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 Regardless of the opening, this is one of those JW pieces that you can listen to thousands of times without ever getting tired of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Agreed! Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I don't share that view at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 On 8/30/2020 at 9:45 PM, Naïve Old Fart said: Which version of TLW do I prefer? The version which opened JW's LSO concerts, on 3rd and 4th July, 1998, at The Barbican On 8/30/2020 at 9:55 PM, Jurassic Shark said: You forgot to vote. With what I typed, I don't need to vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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