Jay 37,336 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 38 minutes ago, Bespin said: the next Spielberg movie about that edgardo guy? The movie is supposedly in post production... 23 hours ago, Jay said: Are you talking about this story from 2017? https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/24328-yet-another-spielberg-project-the-kidnapping-of-edgardo-mortara/&do=findComment&comment=1422359 The film has been dead ever since then. He shot The Post and West Side Story instead (Ready Player One was shot in 2016 and not released until 2018) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Aw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 RPO could have been the ultimate Williams fantasy/action score .So pissed Spielberg had to do it at the same time as Williams Star Wars schedule. Like he did several time in the past interfering with a major Williams project ( Chamber of Secrets...). I mean he won't do a movie for 4-5 years then times it exactly when Williams is scoring something else important.Maybe the SW Prequel scores were rushed too because Spielberg released something at the same time as Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the sith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Duel 1971 / Sugarland Express 1974 Jaws 1975 Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1977 1941 1979 Raiders of the Lost Ark 1981 E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial 1982 Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom 1984 / The Colour Purple 1985 Empire of the Sun 1987 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade 1989 Always 1989 Hook 1991 Jurassic Park 1993 Schindler's List 1993 The Lost World: Jurassic Park 1997 Amistad 1997 Saving Private Ryan 1998 A.I. Artificial Intelligence 2001 Minority Report 2002 Catch Me If You Can 2002 The Terminal 2004 War of the Worlds 2005 Munich 2005 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom if the Crystal Skull 2008 The Adventures of Tintin: Secret of the Unicorn 2011 War Horse 2011 Lincoln 2012 / Bridge of Spies 2015 The BFG 2016 The Post 2017 / Ready Player One 2018 / West Side Story 2020 Oh shit, it's true. It isn't 30 collaborations yet. But it will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Ready Player One kinda stings, because March was a stupid release date for a film like that and Williams had nothing on his plate after he finished The Post in November 2017. The Bridge of Spies timing is understandable, given the way Abrams pushed him with endless rewrites on TFA (and his planned writing schedule was thrown out the window due to illness). If you included The Unfinished Journey as a collaboration, Indy 5 would've been their 30th collaboration together. Kinda sad that Spielberg moved on but not unhappy that the film is in safer hands now. I still hold out hope they'll find a way to shoot the film next year and release in 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 hour ago, crumbs said: If you included The Unfinished Journey as a collaboration.... Well, if you include that, you might just as well include A TIMELESS CALL. And if we're expanding further, there's also the two AMAZING STORIES episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Thor said: Well, if you include that, you might just as well include A TIMELESS CALL. And if we're expanding further, there's also the two AMAZING STORIES episodes. Not disagreements there, it's really all about the feature film collaborations. They said they wanted to reach 30 but I don't see it happening anytime soon (not with the way Spielberg picks up and drops projects). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,275 Posted September 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2020 As movies, neither Bridge of Spies or RPO left me feeling like I missed out on guaranteed instant classic scores or anything. But I always want moar, of course, and they would have been up to his recent standards. It is irritating that Spielberg has this habit of coincidentally interfering with other JW prospects when he has a whole lot of nothing going on the rest of the time, except it’s biting him back now. And yes that he felt like he had to do West Side Story now when he could do literally anything else while Williams is around. Don’t care what happens with Indy if it’s not Williams. I hope he’ll do it but I feel more and more like he might just pass on it. But who knows, maybe he’ll be itching to finally get in front of an orchestra again, period, and have some more fun with his LA peeps. BrotherSound, Fabulin and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Thor said: Well, if you include that, you might just as well include A TIMELESS CALL. And if we're expanding further, there's also the two AMAZING STORIES episodes. And the DreamWorks logo music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I'm sure they will continue collaborating, at this point I think is more a matter of schedules and health for Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 It pains me to say this but since WOTW, WAR HORSE is the only score I love! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 It pains me to hear this! bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,403 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: It pains me to say this but after WOTW, WAR HORSE is the only score I love! wait out of ALL Spielberg/Williams collabs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bellosh said: wait out of ALL Spielberg/Williams collabs? Of course not! That's my point. The last seven collaborations . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,403 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 49 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: It pains me to say this but after WOTW, WAR HORSE is the only score I love! oh duh. yeah, I'd probably agree, sans WOTW (which I do like a lot!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Bellosh said: oh duh. yeah, I'd probably agree, sans WOTW (which I do like a lot!) I have TEN JW/SS scores. Only one since WOTW. But, some folks love their more recent work. That's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,403 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I've listened to The BFG 0 times. Tintin: Once. I'll eventually give Tintin a listen. The Post is good. Lincoln is really good, just not something I listen to a lot. But the folk tracks always make it on my playlists. and War Horse is a masterpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I listened to THE POST and liked it alot. Reminds one of NIXON. But, it's the only film I didn't see. 8 minutes ago, Bellosh said: I've listened to The BFG 0 times. Too many. 😆 😆 😆 8 minutes ago, Bellosh said: and War Horse is a masterpiece. Tis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 On 9/5/2020 at 5:14 PM, mrbellamy said: It is irritating that Spielberg has this habit of coincidentally interfering with other JW prospects when he has a whole lot of nothing going on the rest of the time, except it’s biting him back now. And yes that he felt like he had to do West Side Story now when he could do literally anything else while Williams is around. As much as it would be amusing to see Spielberg managing projects exclusively around JW's availability, it's just wishful thinking. There are a lot of things that go into consideration when prepping and producing a film. More often than not things are being put in turnaround for a variety of reasons. While Spielberg certainly has enough clout to set up a production schedule according to his own wishes, a lot of those decisions are also made in cooperation and agreement with the studio financing the project. It's true that Spielberg has quite a large track record of projects that went as far as into advanced pre-production and then suddenly halted or pushed back, but again the reasons behind those are many and different. West Side Story is a long coveted project on his part. It's been in preparation for almost 10 years. I'm sure he and JW talked about it and if this would have happened earlier perhaps JW would have collaborated in some way, but it feels like he's not that much into adaptation work in this phase of his life, so he could have passed on anyway. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,336 Posted September 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2020 Post-WOTW Spielberg/Williams Munich - OK score, decent film Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - great score, terrible movie. Also, a terrible OST that doesn't represent the score properly whatsoever. The session leak was a game changer The Adventures of Tintin - wonderful score, terrific film. OST is a nice assembly of highlights, though many more highlights exist, both in the film and still unheard War Horse - masterpiece of a film score. Forgettable film Lincoln - masterpiece of a film score. OK film The BFG - great score, OK film The Post - score does its job in the film, doesn't offer too much as a standalone listen. The film was good, great cast ins, crumbs, Edmilson and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,275 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 5 hours ago, TownerFan said: As much as it would be amusing to see Spielberg managing projects exclusively around JW's availability, it's just wishful thinking. There are a lot of things that go into consideration when prepping and producing a film. More often than not things are being put in turnaround for a variety of reasons. While Spielberg certainly has enough clout to set up a production schedule according to his own wishes, a lot of those decisions are also made in cooperation and agreement with the studio financing the project. It's true that Spielberg has quite a large track record of projects that went as far as into advanced pre-production and then suddenly halted or pushed back, but again the reasons behind those are many and different. West Side Story is a long coveted project on his part. It's been in preparation for almost 10 years. I'm sure he and JW talked about it and if this would have happened earlier perhaps JW would have collaborated in some way, but it feels like he's not that much into adaptation work in this phase of his life, so he could have passed on anyway. Which is why I said coincidentally since it would be ridiculous to assume he’s doing this on purpose but just the fact that it keeps happening is annoying since I’d obviously like music from JW and Spielberg was until recently the only guarantee of anything. And I know West Side Story has become his pet thing but I mean, honestly, Steven. I’ll see it, anyway, hope it’s interesting enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 340 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, Jay said: Post-WOTW Spielberg/Williams Munich - OK score, decent film Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - great score, terrible movie. Also, a terrible OST that doesn't represent the score properly whatsoever. The session leak was a game changer The Adventures of Tintin - wonderful score, terrific film. OST is a nice assembly of highlights, though many more highlights exist, both in the film and still unheard War Horse - masterpiece of a film score. Forgettable film Lincoln - masterpiece of a film score. OK film The BFG - great score, OK film The Post - score does its job in the film, doesn't offer too much as a standalone listen. The film was good, great cast i mostly agree, but for me the music quality of TinTin and BFG are on the same masterpiece level as War horse and Lincoln. Just the movies are lighter fare. Concerning the topic I would love if Spielberg now started with TinTin 2, with or without Jackson as director. The ideal movie to shoot under Corona conditions I would think. And a great opportunity for another fantastic Score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 The Post has the best score out of those seven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 The character's name is Tintin, not TinTin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (Tin)2 bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,424 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Munich - good score, great movie. KOTCS - good score, terrible movie. Tintin - great score, great movie. War Horse - excellent score, ok movie. Lincoln - masterful score, boring movie. The BFG - decent score, forgettable movie. The Post - ok score, ok movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Not sure why the limit is set at "post-WOTW". It would make more sense to start the list from KOTC onwards, since there's a considerable time gap between 2005 and 2008. So MUNICH doesn't belong on the list, IMO. Brundlefly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 31 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Which is why I said coincidentally since it would be ridiculous to assume he’s doing this on purpose but just the fact that it keeps happening is annoying since I’d obviously like music from JW and Spielberg was until recently the only guarantee of anything. The most irritating thing is that JW finally had a clear schedule to reunite with Spielberg on new projects (with Star Wars out of the way) then lo and behold a pandemic shuts the world down. You seriously couldn't write this shit, especially after Spielberg spent 4 years clashing with JW's SW schedule. Not that he had a bunch of upcoming films put on ice (in fact his slate is suspiciously clear, as if he's going into another one of his multi-year hiatuses) but the timing is incredibly frustrating. Damn COVID! 3 minutes ago, Thor said: Not sure why the limit is set at "post-WOTW". It would make more sense to start the list from KOTC onwards, since there's a considerable time gap between 2005 and 2008. So MUNICH doesn't belong on the list, IMO. I guess the major connection the post-WOTW scores have is that the labels can't expand them (fortunately KOCS and War Horse had sessions leaks, and Munich/The Post are mostly complete on the OST). So we're stuck with OSTs unless the big record labels pay the fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, crumbs said: I guess the major connection the post-WOTW scores have is that the labels can't expand them (fortunately KOCS and War Horse had sessions leaks, and Munich/The Post are mostly complete on the OST). Ah, I see. So difficult to have any kind of conversation here that doesn't, at some point, veer into expansion talk, so that aspect passed me by in my skimming. I just read it as a ranking of the films/scores in recent times. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Calling KOTCS "a terrible movie" is baffling to me, as far as the adventure genre is concerned. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 It's not terrible at all. It's not good either. But it's much better than its reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 What's baffling about different people having different opinions than you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Munich - GREAT score, great movie. KOTCS - decent score, bad movie. Tintin - really good score, ok movie. War Horse - excellent score, ok movie. Lincoln - very great score, very good movie. The BFG - ok score, mediocre movie. The Post - very very good score, good movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,275 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Albus Percival Wulfric said: Calling KOTCS "a terrible movie" is baffling to me, as far as the adventure genre is concerned. Even if you disagree, I don’t know why it would be baffling when it’s obviously the popular consensus. Unless you’ve been baffled for 12 years running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 It's a terrible Indy sequel/Indy movie. An OK ugly forgettable action flick otherwise. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,424 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Indeed. As an action movie, it is on the average. But as a sequel to one of the greatest and most beloved adventure films of all time, it's a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,275 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Agree, more or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 340 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay said: The character's name is Tintin, not Tintin Tell this to my autocorrect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Seriously that west Side Story thing would be a total waste of time for Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 The first half hour of KOCS is fine but it falls apart spectacularly once they leave the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Jay said: Post-WOTW Spielberg/Williams Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - great score, terrible movie. The Adventures of Tintin - wonderful score, terrific film. War Horse - masterpiece of a film score. Forgettable film Lincoln - masterpiece of a film score. OK filmm The BFG - great score, OK fil Boy do we have OPPOSING views! - 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 The world would be a boring place if everyone had the same opinions on everything bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Quote My ratings: ost-WOTW Spielberg/Williams Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - mediocre score, good movie The Adventures of Tintin - forgettable score, awful film. War HorseMasterpiece score. Excellent film Lincoln - Dull score. Good film The BFG - boring score, boring film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Please list your own rankings directly in your post instead of in a quote box that makes it look like they are my ranking. Thank you. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Thor said: Not sure why the limit is set at "post-WOTW". It would make more sense to start the list from KOTC onwards, since there's a considerable time gap between 2005 and 2008. So MUNICH doesn't belong on the list, IMO. Why? Because imho the scores became very traditional after WOTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: Why? Because imho the scores became very traditional after WOTW. There's only, like, a few months between WOTW and MUNICH. You'll have to go to KOTCS three years later to see any change. And I wouldn't use the word 'traditional'. Quite the contrary, Williams' abandons his more traditional, developped style and moves into more motivic territory and/or old Americana tropes. bruce marshall and Once 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 That's because "Americana tropes" are more fitting for an old gentleman composer. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Bruce you can click/press on the top bar of a quote box, then click/press on the scissor icon to remove it from your post Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 4 hours ago, crumbs said: The first half hour of KOCS is fine but it falls apart spectacularly once they leave the US. At least it matches the film then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I'm intrigued by Jay saying the ost of KOCS left off the best music! Since I sold off my ost, maybe I would buy an expanded version😁 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: At least it matches the film then. Well, I agree the Jungle ^ skull stuff was dullsvillem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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