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Approaching the Death Star (Shortened)

 

Vader Contacts Luke (cut until playful C3PO and R2D2 music, shortened)

 

The Iron Door (Ommited completely)

 

To Jabba's Throne (Same thing)

 

The Droids are Captured (Ending notes cut)

 

Bounty for a Wookiee (Beginning tracked from Father and Son, shortened)

 

Han Solo Returns (Short section when Han says "Who are you?" is unreleased, uses insert with Han and Leia theme statement which can be found in the Land of the Ewoks on RCA '97 SE 2CD and Jabba's theme statement from Luke Confronts Jabba which is repeated twice and separated by part of original track, uses parts of Into the Death Star on '93 Arista Soundtrack Anthology and ending of the Fight in the Dungeon for transition into the next scene)

 

Luke Confronts Jabba (Part tracked from Final Duel on '93 Arista Soundtrack Anthology, Shortened)

 

Fight in the Dungeon (Edited using track itself, segues into Sarlacc Sentence)

 

Sarlacc Sentence (Shortened)

 

The Pit of Carkoon (Shortened, Jabba theme cut completely)

 

The Return of the Jedi (Edited using track itself, Jabba theme statement removed)

 

The Emperor Arrives (Uses two inserts which can be found in the beginning of the Lightsaber on RCA 2CD and it is edited, uses the ending of The Emperor Confronts Luke on '93 Arista Soundtrack Anthology to replace Imperial March statement in the end)

 

The Death of Yoda (Beginning with the Force theme replaced with tracked music from ESB track Luke's Nocturnal Visitor, Shortened)

 

Obi-Wan Revelation (Dropped until Leia theme statement)

 

Alliance Assembly (Unchanged)

 

Shuttle Tydirium Approaches Endor (Ommits woodwinds and synth)

 

Speeder Bike Chase (Shortened)

 

Land of the Ewoks (Shortened, edited using track itself, Emperor theme inserted)

 

The Levitation (Shortened)

 

Threepio's Bedtime Story (Shortened, most likely only ending dropped, hard to tell exact changes, buried in the sound mix, this is 1993 Laserdisc audio btw.)

 

Brother and Sister (Shortened, Luke and Leia concert piece part inserted)

 

Father and Son (Shortened, Vader theme in the ending cut, so Luke's, uses timpani hit for transition into the next scene)

 

The Fleet Enters Hyperspace (Unchanged)

 

Heroic Ewok (Unchanged)

 

The Emperor Confronts Luke (Unchanged, segues into Into the Trap)

 

Into the Trap (Shortened, edited using track itself)

 

Forest Ambush (Unchanged)

 

First Ewok Battle/Fight with the Fighters (Shortened, timpani hit for transition into The Lightsaber)

 

The Lightsaber (Unchanged)

 

The Ewok Battle (Shortened, First Ewok Battle/Fight with the Fighters part used for transition)

 

Leia is Wounded/Luke and Vader Duel (Intro dropped, first cue last notes removed, timpani hit for transition into second cue)

 

Overtaking the Bunker (Unchanged)

 

Final Duel/Into the Death Star (Unchanged)

 

The Emperor's Death (Unchanged, segues into Superstructure Chase)

 

Superstructure Chase (Unchanged, segues into next cue)

 

Darth Vader's Death (Unchanged)

 

Through the Flames (Beginning replaced with tracked music from ESB track Losing a Hand)

 

Leia's News/Funeral Pyre for A Jedi (Unchanged, film version of the second one avaliable on Soundtrack Anthology, also featured on the 2CD SE)

 

Ewok Celebration/End Titles (Film version of the first cue remains unreleased, Anthology one is not true film version)

 

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If I had to give any advice, this list would probably be much more helpful in spreadsheet form (maybe against the complete cue list, so we could compare it against what was used or unused).

Depending on how you count, there's between 9 and 11 statements of Jabba's theme in the ROTJ score.   https://youtu.be/XVzECYBfVTY?t=20   https://youtu.be/XVzECYBfVTY?t=59  

5 minutes ago, crumbs said:

If I had to give any advice, this list would probably be much more helpful in spreadsheet form (maybe against the complete cue list, so we could compare it against what was used or unused).

Only two cues were unused. I'm not very friendly with spreadsheets, but I will see what I can do

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12 hours ago, mxsch said:

I have no idea why there is no feedback. And it's a shame that previous post surpassed this when it's just another holy war.

 

In all fairness, your post doesn't request feedback - or even give much context, for that matter. You have to read the list to go, "Oh, this is about how the score was conformed to the picture," and to be frank, you won't find that many people here who are particularly interested in that. Most of the energy goes into discussing the albums and the scores from which they're compiled, not filmmakers' music editing choices. Not that there's anything wrong with that topic, but the reality is there just isn't that much interest in it around here.

 

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On 9/3/2020 at 11:18 AM, crumbs said:

If I had to give any advice, this list would probably be much more helpful in spreadsheet form (maybe against the complete cue list, so we could compare it against what was used or unused).

Yeah, I agree with this, If you don't like spreadsheets is fine, but I'll find more interesting to see this against the complete score. 

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I’m moderately sure I’ve never heard Jabba’s theme in the actual film - am I missing something? If it is there somewhere, please post Blu-ray time stamps so I can have a really good listen.

 

I’ve been playing the theme on piano from the 1991 anthology, and I hadn’t appreciated how harmonically fun it is - so many minor(major 7th) chords...

 

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2 hours ago, QuartalHarmony said:

I’m moderately sure I’ve never heard Jabba’s theme in the actual film - am I missing something? If it is there somewhere, please post Blu-ray time stamps so I can have a really good listen.

 

Depending on how you count, there's between 9 and 11 statements of Jabba's theme in the ROTJ score.

 

https://youtu.be/XVzECYBfVTY?t=20

 

https://youtu.be/XVzECYBfVTY?t=59

 

https://youtu.be/XVzECYBfVTY?t=107

 

https://youtu.be/S68MG3KcZTU?t=168

 

https://youtu.be/S68MG3KcZTU?t=209

 

https://youtu.be/izJnYJo329c?t=98

 

https://youtu.be/g0oNCRe11qY?t=32


https://youtu.be/g0oNCRe11qY?t=167

 

https://youtu.be/g0oNCRe11qY?t=181

 

https://youtu.be/n8gcMBhMkIY?t=108

 

Plus the Concert Arrangement and one I believe unused extension of the theme in R4P1 pt.1.

This leaves out of course the very best statement of his theme, which is in The Phantom Menace. https://youtu.be/1JGN7tS8VOc?t=54

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8 hours ago, Falstaft said:

 

Depending on how you count, there's between 9 and 11 statements of Jabba's theme in the ROTJ score.

 

https://youtu.be/XVzECYBfVTY?t=20

 

https://youtu.be/XVzECYBfVTY?t=59

 

https://youtu.be/XVzECYBfVTY?t=107

 

https://youtu.be/S68MG3KcZTU?t=168

 

https://youtu.be/S68MG3KcZTU?t=209

 

https://youtu.be/izJnYJo329c?t=98

 

https://youtu.be/g0oNCRe11qY?t=32


https://youtu.be/g0oNCRe11qY?t=167

 

https://youtu.be/g0oNCRe11qY?t=181

 

https://youtu.be/n8gcMBhMkIY?t=108

 

Plus the Concert Arrangement and one I believe unused extension of the theme in R4P1 pt.1.

This leaves out of course the very best statement of his theme, which is in The Phantom Menace. https://youtu.be/1JGN7tS8VOc?t=54

 

But many of them are unused in the actual film. Only a few statements survive.

 

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22 hours ago, oierem said:

But many of them are unused in the actual film. Only a few statements survive.

 

That was the reason for my original question, hence I was asking for Blu-ray timecodes from the film, not CD timecodes from the score recording (but thank you for your efforts, @Falstaft).

 

I might just about be able to hear the statements when Boushh /Leia is negotiating the bounty for Chewbacca, but I'm pretty sure the 'Han Solo Returns' track cuts when Jabba has his big reveal. As for the usage in Sail Barge Assault, I'm pretty sure that's buried in a sandstorm of deafening sound effects!

 

The later usages in TPM and the 1997 restored Jabba scene in ANH are both pretty clear in those films, I'm just curious how much it got used in ROTJ when it was a new theme.

 

Mark

 

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7 hours ago, QuartalHarmony said:

 

That was the reason for my original question, hence I was asking for Blu-ray timecodes from the film, not CD timecodes from the score recording (but thank you for your efforts, @Falstaft).

 

I might just about be able to hear the statements when Boushh /Leia is negotiating the bounty for Chewbacca, but I'm pretty sure the 'Han Solo Returns' track cuts when Jabba has his big reveal. As for the usage in Sail Barge Assault, I'm pretty sure that's buried in a sandstorm of deafening sound effects!

 

The later usages in TPM and the 1997 restored Jabba scene in ANH are both pretty clear in those films, I'm just curious how much it got used in ROTJ when it was a new theme.

 

Mark

 

 

Can't provide the timecodes, but I can tell you the statements that are actually on the film. There are very few, actually:

 

-Bounty for a wookie (Boushh negotiating): the first tuba statement is unused, but the second one (on woodwinds) is used. That's actually the only "big" appearence of the theme.

-"Han Solo Returns" was not used, but was replaced with an insert, which does contain a more sinister version of the theme (low woodwinds)

-"Luke Confronts Jabba" has a really short statement of the theme when Jabba is awakened. That's in the film as well.

 

And that's about it. The statements on the "Sail Barge" track are not used at all (no, it's not buried under the sound effects either).

Two proper statements and one quick one. 
If you think about it, Jabba's theme is used even less than the "Brother and Sister" theme! 

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