John Williams scores - By Music Label

[Jay 38,746]

As a companion piece to John Williams Scores - By Film Studio, here's the same list of scores, except sorted by which music label would have to be involved to make an expansion happen

 

Titles in bold have not received a definitive expansion.  Notes are provided about any incomplete expansions or specialty label OST reissues.

 

All scores recorded with AFM musicians after July, 2005, charge a higher rate to re-use the music for an expanded album than scores recorded before that date, making an expansion by a specialty label unaffordable.

 

Disney Records

YEAR	STUDIO	FILM	ORIGINAL LABEL	EXPANSION	NOTES
1995	Disney	Nixon	Hollywood Records
2000	Sony	The Patriot	Hollywood Records
2015	Disney	Star Wars: The Force Awakens	Disney Records		Post-July-2005 AFM Fees | FYC album features unreleased music
2016	Disney	The BFG	Disney Records		Post-July-2005 AFM Fees | FYC album features unreleased music
2017	Disney	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	Disney Records		Post-July-2005 AFM Fees | FYC album features unreleased music
2019	Disney	Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker	Disney Records		Post-July-2005 AFM Fees | FYC album features unreleased music
2023	Disney	Indiana Jones and the Dial Of Destiny	Disney Records		Post-July-2005 AFM Fees

 

 

Sony Music Entertainment

YEAR	STUDIO	FILM	ORIGINAL LABEL	EXPANSION	NOTES
1969	Paramount	The Reivers	CBS Records		1995 Columbia Records CD adds one track
1977	Sony	Close Encounters of the Third Kind	Arista Records	La-La Land 2017	La-La Land 2022 is straight re-issue of content
1978	20th	The Fury	Arista Records	La-La Land 2013
1979	Universal	1941	Arista Records	La-La Land 2011	La-La Land 2014 is straight re-issue
1986	Disney	SpaceCamp	RCA Records	Intrada 2022
1990	20th	Home Alone	CBS Records	La-La Land 2015
1991	Sony	Hook	Epic Records	La-La Land 2023
1992	20th	Home Alone 2	Arista Records	La-la Land 2012
1997	Sony	Seven Years In Tibet	Mandalay Records
1997	Warner	Rosewood	Sony Classical	La-La Land 2013
1998	Sony	Stepmom	Sony Classical
1999	Paramount	Angela's Ashes	Sony Classical
2005	Sony	Memoirs Of A Geisha	Sony Classical		Post-July-2005 AFM Fees
2011	Paramount	The Adventures of Tintin	Sony Classical		Post-July-2005 AFM Fees
2011	Disney	War Horse	Sony Classical		Post-July-2005 AFM Fees
2012	Disney	Lincoln	Sony Classical		Post-July-2005 AFM Fees
2013	20th	The Book Thief	Sony Classical		Post-July-2005 AFM Fees
2017	20th	The Post	Sony Classical		Post-July-2005 AFM Fees
2022	Universal	The Fabelmans	Sony Classical		Post-July-2005 AFM Fees

 

 

 

Universal Music Group

YEAR	STUDIO	FILM	ORIGINAL LABEL	EXPANSION	NOTES
1966	20th	How To Steal A Million	20th Century Fox Records	Intrada 2008
1967	20th	Valley of the Dolls	20th Century Fox Records
1968	Universal	Heidi	Capitol Records	Quartet 2023
1970	Universal	Jane Eyre	Capitol Records	Quartet 2023
1971	MGM	Fiddler On The Roof	United Artists Records	La La Land 2021
1973	20th	Cinderella Liberty	20th Century Fox Records		Intrada 2008 release is not expanded
1974	Universal	Earthquake	MCA Records	La-La Land 2019
1975	Universal	The Eiger Sanction	MCA Records	Intrada 2021
1975	Universal	Jaws	MCA Records	Intrada 2015
1978	Universal	Jaws 2	MCA Records	Intrada 2015
1979	Universal	Dracula	MCA Records	Varese 2018
1982	Universal	E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial	MCA Records	La-La Land 2017	La-La Land 2022 is straight re-issue of content
1982	20th	Monsignor	Casablanca Records	Intrada 2019
1984	Universal	The River	MCA Records	Intrada 2020
1989	Universal	Born On The Fourth Of July	MCA Records
1989	Universal	Always	MCA Records	La-La Land 2021
1992	Universal	Far And Away	MCA Records	La-La Land 2020
1993	Universal	Jurassic Park	MCA Records	La-La Land 2022
1993	Universal	Schindler's List	MCA Records	La-La Land 2018
1995	Paramount	Sabrina	A&M Records	La-La Land 2023
1996	Universal	Sleepers	Philips Records
1997	Universal	The Lost World	MCA Records	La-La Land 2023
1997	Paramount	Amistad	Dreamworks Records	La-La Land 2022
1998	Paramount	Saving Private Ryan	Dreamworks Records	La-La Land 2018
2002	20th	Minority Report	Dreamworks Records	La-La Land 2019
2002	Paramount	Catch Me If You Can	Dreamworks Records
2004	Paramount	The Terminal	Decca Records
2005	Paramount	War of the Worlds	Decca Records	Intrada 2020
2005	Universal	Munich	Decca Records		Post-July-2005 AFM Fees

 

 

 

Warner Music Group

YEAR	STUDIO	FILM	ORIGINAL LABEL	EXPANSION	NOTES
1963	Sony	Diamond Head	Colpix Records		FSM 2006 release is not expanded
1966	Warner	Not With My Wife You Don't!	Warner Brothers Records	FSM 2006
1974	20th	The Towering Inferno	Warner Brothers Records	La-La Land 2019
1978	Warner	Superman: The Movie	Warner Brothers Records	La-La Land 2019
1987	Warner	The Witches Of Eastwick	Warner Brothers Records		Perseverance 2012 release is not expanded
1987	Warner	Empire Of The Sun	Warner Brothers Records	La-La Land 2014
1988	Warner	The Accidental Tourist	Warner Brothers Records		FSM 2008 release is not expanded
1991	Warner	JFK	Warner Brothers Records
2001	Warner	A.I. Artificial Intelligence	Warner Brothers Records	La-La Land 2015
2001	Warner	Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone	Warner Brothers Records	La-La Land 2018
2002	Warner	Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets	Warner Brothers Records	La-La Land 2018
2004	Warner	Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban	Warner Brothers Records	La-La Land 2018

 

Varèse Sarabande

YEAR	STUDIO	FILM	ORIGINAL LABEL	EXPANSION	NOTES
1972	Warner	The Cowboys	none	Varese 2018	Varese bought perpetuity album rights circa 1994
1990	MGM	Stanley & Iris	Varèse Sarabande	Varese 2017
1990	Warner	Presumed Innocent	Varèse Sarabande	Varese 2022

 

 

 

No Music Label - the film studio owns all the rights

YEAR	STUDIO	FILM	ORIGINAL LABEL	EXPANSION	NOTES
1958	Sony	Daddy-O	none
1960	Paramount	I Passed For White	none
1960	Sony	Because They're Young	none
1961	Universal	The Secret Ways	none
1962	Disney	Bachelor Flat	none	Intrada 2008
1963	Sony	Gidget Goes To Rome	none
1964	Universal	The Killers	none
1965	Warner	None But The Brave	none	FSM 2009
1965	Disney	John Goldfarb, Please Come Home	none	FSM 2001
1966	Warner	Penelope	MGM Records	FSM 2004	MGM Records contract was temporary
1966	Universal	The Rare Breed	none
1966	Universal	The Plainsman	none
1967	Disney	A Guide For The Married Man	none	FSM 2000
1967	MGM	Fitzwilly	United Artists Records	Music Box Records 2013	United Artists Records contract was temporary
1969	Warner	Goodbye, Mr. Chips	MGM Records	FSM 2006	MGM Records contract was temporary
1969	Warner	Daddy's Gone A-Hunting	none
1970	Universal	Storia di una donna (Story of a Woman)	none
1972	Disney	The Poseidon Adventure	none	La-La Land 2019
1972	Sony	Images	none		Prometheus 2007 release and 2021 Quartet release are not expanded
1972	Universal	The Screaming Woman	none
1972	Universal	Pete 'n' Tillie	none	Varese 2017
1973	Disney	The Paper Chase	none		FSM 1998 release is not complete
1973	MGM	Tom Sawyer	United Artists Records	Quartet 2015	United Artists Records contract was temporary
1973	MGM	The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing	none	FSM 2002
1973	MGM	The Long Goodbye	none	Quartet 2012
1974	Disney	Conrack	none		FSM 1998 release is not complete
1974	Universal	The Sugarland Express	none	La-La Land 2024
1976	MGM	The Missouri Breaks	United Artists Records	Kritzerland 2013	United Artists Records contract was temporary
1976	Universal	Family Plot	none	Varese 2010
1976	Universal	Midway	none	Varese 2011
1977	Disney	Star Wars	20th Century Fox Records		1997 RCA release is not complete, all music contracts were temporary
1977	Paramount	Black Sunday	none	FSM 2010
1980	Disney	The Empire Strikes Back	20th Century Fox Records		1997 RCA release is not complete, all music contracts were temporary
1981	Disney	Raiders of the Lost Ark	CBS Records		2008 Concord release is not complete, all music contracts were temporary
1981	Universal	Heartbeeps	none	Varese 2001
1983	Disney	Return of the Jedi	Polydor		1997 RCA release is not complete, all music contracts were temporary
1984	Disney	Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom	Polydor		2008 Concord release is not complete, all music contracts were temporary
1989	Disney	Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade	Warner Bros Records		2008 Concord release is not complete, all music contracts were temporary
1999	Disney	The Phantom Menace	Sony Classical		2000 Ultimate Edition is not complete, Sony contract was temporary
2002	Disney	Attack of the Clones	Sony Classical		Sony contract was temporary
2005	Disney	Revenge of the Sith	Sony Classical		Sony contract was temporary
2008	Disney	Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull	Concord		Concord contract was temporary

 

[Jay 38,746]

As you can see, all Williams scores that had an OST album to begin with [barring the Varese trilogy] require a license from one of just FOUR major music labels that have absorbed up the almost 20 different smaller labels that put out various Williams OSTs over the years - Disney Records (the only one still owned by a conglomerate that also owns a film studio), Sony Music (still a part of overall Sony but has to approve expansion of titles they released separately from the film studio arm approval), Universal Music Enterprises (no relation to Universal Pictures), and Warner Music Group (no relation to Warner Brothers Pictures).

 

To make any of these expansions happen, that music label has to be open for business (granting licenses, approving artwork, signing off on releases), and its associated film studio has to to the same (granting licenses, procuring elements from their vaults, signing off on releases)

 

It's a tricky business and I'm glad I don't have to be the one to negotiate these things!

[Jay 38,746]

I figured I'd whip up a quick chart of the remaining scores that haven't been expanded with a column for the film studio, record label, and potential specialty label (based on what combos they've released titles from in the past)

 

sorted by music label

 

Year	Film	Film Studio	Music Label	Potential Label
1967	Valley of the Dolls	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1973	Cinderella Liberty	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1977	Star Wars	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1980	Empire Strikes Back	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1981	Raiders of the Lost Ark	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1983	Return of the Jedi	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1984	Temple of Doom	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1989	Last Crusade	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1995	Nixon	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1999	Phantom Menace	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2000	The Patriot	Sony	Disney	Intrada
2002	Attack of the Clones	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2005	Revenge of the Sith	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2008	Crystal Skull	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1969	The Reivers	Paramount	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1985	SpaceCamp	Disney	Sony	Intrada
1991	Hook	Sony	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1998	Stepmom	Sony	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1999	Angela's Ashes	Paramount	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
2005	Memoirs of a Geisha	Dreamworks	Sony	LLL, Intrada
2011	Adventures of Tintin	Paramount	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
2011	War Horse	Dreamworks	Sony	LLL, Intrada
2012	Lincoln	Dreamworks	Sony	LLL, Intrada
2013	Book Thief	Disney	Sony	Intrada
2017	The Post	Disney	Sony	Intrada
1997	Seven Years In Tibet	Sony	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1971	Fiddler on the Roof	MGM	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1989	Born On The Fourth Of July	Universal	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1989	Always	Universal	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1995	Sabrina	Paramount	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1996	Sleepers	WB	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1997	Amistad	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2002	Catch Me If You Can	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2004	The Terminal	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2005	War of the Worlds	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2005	Munich	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
1963	Diamond Head	Sony	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1987	The Witches Of Eastwick	WB	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1988	The Accidental Tourist	WB	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1991	JFK	WB	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1990	Presumed Innocent	WB	Varese	Varese

 

sorted by film studio

 

Year	Film	Film Studio	Music Label	Potential Label
1967	Valley of the Dolls	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1973	Cinderella Liberty	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1977	Star Wars	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1980	Empire Strikes Back	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1981	Raiders of the Lost Ark	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1983	Return of the Jedi	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1984	Temple of Doom	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1985	SpaceCamp	Disney	Sony	Intrada
1989	Last Crusade	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1995	Nixon	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1999	Phantom Menace	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2002	Attack of the Clones	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2005	Revenge of the Sith	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2008	Crystal Skull	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2013	Book Thief	Disney	Sony	Intrada
2017	The Post	Disney	Sony	Intrada
1997	Amistad	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2002	Catch Me If You Can	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2004	The Terminal	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2005	Memoirs of a Geisha	Dreamworks	Sony	LLL, Intrada
2005	War of the Worlds	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2005	Munich	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2011	War Horse	Dreamworks	Sony	LLL, Intrada
2012	Lincoln	Dreamworks	Sony	LLL, Intrada
1971	Fiddler on the Roof	MGM	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1969	The Reivers	Paramount	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1995	Sabrina	Paramount	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1999	Angela's Ashes	Paramount	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
2011	Adventures of Tintin	Paramount	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1963	Diamond Head	Sony	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1991	Hook	Sony	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1997	Seven Years In Tibet	Sony	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1998	Stepmom	Sony	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
2000	The Patriot	Sony	Disney	Intrada
1989	Born On The Fourth Of July	Universal	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1989	Always	Universal	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1987	The Witches Of Eastwick	WB	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1988	The Accidental Tourist	WB	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1990	Presumed Innocent	WB	Varese	Varese
1991	JFK	WB	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1996	Sleepers	WB	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese

[crumbs 14,584]

Damn, so LLL probably wouldn't get The Patriot due to the Disney factor. Well, fingers crossed Intrada still have a few releases to come this year, would be another missed anniversary otherwise.

[Jay 38,746]

Pre-fee increase, unexpanded Williams scores with a -0 or -5 anniversary in 2020:

 

• The Eiger Sanction (45th anniversary, Universal / UME)
• Presumed Innocent (30th anniversary, Warner Brothers / Varese)
• Sabrina (25th anniversary, Paramount / UME)
• Nixon (25th anniversary, Disney / Disney)
• The Patriot (20th anniversary, Sony / Disney)
• War of the Worlds (15th anniversary, Paramount / UME)

[crumbs 14,584]

Well if MV's comment about trying to make an anniversary was related to a Williams release, and considering their strong ties with Universal, The Eiger Sanction seems like a shoe-in for October or Black Friday.

 

Don't see much of an appetite for an expanded Sabrina or Presumed Innocent (not to mention the issues labels are now having with management at WB).

[Jay 38,746]

They're having issues with Warner Music Group, not Warner Brothers Pictures.  There's no relation between the two entities

 

Oops! I  flip-flopped this, is is Warner Pictures that is the issue, not Warner Music.  Apologies.

 

~

 

2021 anniversaries:

 

• Fiddler on the Roof (50th anniversary, MGM / UME)
• SpaceCamp (35th anniversary, Disney / Sony)
• JFK (30th anniversary, Warner Bros / WMG)
• Hook (30th anniversary, Sony / Sony)
• Sleepers (25th anniversary, Warner Bros / UME)

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33 minutes ago, Jay said:

They're having issues with Warner Music Group, not Warner Brothers Pictures.  There's no relation between the two entities

 

Thanks for clarifying. Still doubt there's an expansion for Presumed Innocent in the works though (don't have the faintest idea what's unreleased) but I guess Varese would be happy to expand any Williams scores they partially own.

 

If Warner Music Group are being problematic, that puts HP4 and HP5 on ice as their OSTs belong to Warner Brothers Records (parent company is Warner Music Group).

 

Ironically HP6/HP7/HP8 wouldn't be an issue as those OSTs belong to WaterTower music, which isn't a subsidiary of WMG (thus theoretically easier to license). So a Desplat box isn't out of the question, even if it means skipping the scores in between.

[Jay 38,746]

On 9/4/2020 at 10:39 AM, crumbs said:

If Warner Music Group are being problematic, that puts HP4 and HP5 on ice for the foreseeable future, as their OSTs belong to Warner Brothers Records whose parent company is Warner Music Group. Ironically HP6/HP7/HP8 wouldn't be an issue, as those OSTs belong to WaterTower music, which isn't a subsidiary of WMG (thus theoretically easier to license).

 

Exactly right!

 

 

 

Also, I don't think any issues they are having are permanent, just temporary.

 

Sony Music briefly cut off licensing, but MV has said they are back in now.

 

WMG and UME have been very slow, but not closed off entirely.  From UME, we just got Casper and Swashbuckler in the past few months.  From WMG, other than the Harry Potter box BF 2018, Superman a few months later, and Towering Inferno BF 2019, I can't think off the top of my head of anything else from other composers in the past year or so, but I'm sure they've been some

 

Regardless, after covid, things should return to normal at all these places.  I think Sony Pictures has been closed for any licensing since it started and hasn't reopened yet, for example

[Arpy 4,159]

So it's just jumping and shouting, trying to get a hold of Disney? I guess this is a problem when hugecorporations like Disney buy everything else up, instead of communicating with them, they will initiate discussions at their convenience.

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8 minutes ago, Jay said:

Sony Music was briefly cut off, but MV has said they are back in now.

 

They still have those 2 mystery titles as well, which were first mentioned well over a year ago (before there was any hint of issues with Sony). Seems like those have been in development for an unusually long time.

 

A 30th Anniversary expansion for Hook seems like such a no-brainer, Not sure what's stopping them from re-releasing that score under Mike's supervision (other than cost; they said the initial release was extremely expensive IIRC). If what they said about the vaulted unreleased music is true, maybe it's just a licensing nightmare.

[Jay 38,746]

1 hour ago, Arpy said:

So it's just jumping and shouting, trying to get a hold of Disney? I guess this is a problem when hugecorporations like Disney buy everything else up, instead of communicating with them, they will initiate discussions at their convenience.

 

Intrada Records has worked with Disney a ton and put out plenty of scores they control - Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend, Black Hole, Hocus Pocus, Night Crossing, A Far Off Place, Return to Oz, Secret of NIMH, The Rocketeer, Dick Tracy, Alive, etc.  

 

It's certainly plausible they could get to do Nixon and SpaceCamp.  The Patriot, I dunno if that would have to be Intrada, or could be anybody, since Disney only controls the OST album, and Sony Pictures controls all the rest of the music; They'd basically just have to sign paperwork to make the release happen, they don't have to go dig for and transfer any elements or anything

 

The SW and Indy scores will come out on Disney Records in completely form eventually, surely!  We must believe!

 

 

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

They still have those 2 mystery titles as well, which were first mentioned well over a year ago (before there was any hint of issues with Sony). Seems like those have been in development for an unusually long time.

 

They were'nt mentioned BEFORE there was a hint of issues with Sony, they were mentioned BECAUSE there was issues with Sony. Here is the source on JWFan: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/29227-sony-music-no-longer-dealing-with-soundtrack-labels-update-la-la-land-is-back-in/ or the original source on FSM: https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=116&threadID=118900&archive=0

 

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A 30th Anniversary expansion for Hook seems like such a no-brainer, Not sure what's stopping them from re-releasing that score under Mike's supervision (other than cost; they said the initial release was extremely expensive IIRC). If what they said about the vaulted unreleased music is true, maybe it's just a licensing nightmare.

 

I guess the same things that hold up any other releases: elements or approvals.  In the case of Hook, if those missing reels are still missing, maybe they don't consider a new version worth doing until they are found?  As for approvals, if they found any of the song demos or anything, they'd have to track down the names of any vocal performers and see if they are under contract with anyone that would need to approve.  Plus, all Spielberg films need to be approved by him, and not just by JW; and he's been pretty busy.  Of course, he did allow a bunch of really weird deleted scenes on the latest Hook blu, so that gives me hope.  But then again, maybe he wouldn't want a release of a musical-ish film score he seems to generally feel ashamed of, when West Side Story is imminent.  Luckily by the end of 2021, the actual 30th anniversary of Hook (it opened December 11 1991), West Side Story should be old news...

[Jay 38,746]

I looked up which film scores that had an OST album on the Hollywood Records label (the label that released The Patriot OST) and have gotten an expansion from the specialty labels, and this is what I found:

 

• JNH's Alive (Intrada)
• Goldsmith's The Ghost and the Darkness (Intrada)
• Zimmer's MIssion: Impossible II (Mondo - LP only)
• Newman's Operation Dumbo Drop (Intrada)
• Goldsmith's Powder (Intrada)
• Horner's The Rocketeer (Intrada)

 

So it looks like other than the weird Mondo exception, it's gonna be Intrada for The Patriot.

 

Can you imagine, though, if Mondo releases a Patriot expansion on vinyl only? 

 

I don't think it's possible, because I don't think Williams allows anyone except Mike to work on his scores, and I don't know if Mike would do Patriot for Mondo without securing rights for Intrada to do a simultaneous CD version, but stranger things have happened.....

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1 hour ago, Jay said:

As for approvals, if they found any of the song demos or anything, they'd have to track down the names of any vocal performers and see if they are under contract with anyone that would need to approve.

 

Sadly they never elaborated on why that material couldn't be released the first time (we can guess, could be a multitude of reasons) but I suspect they wouldn't bother re-releasing the score unless they were able to get all the material out there and do it comprehensively (especially when fans already purchased that flawed release). They probably want to ensure any subsequent release is worth the second purchase. 

[Jay 38,746]

That's Mike's philosophy for any score he works on: Make all prior releases (and bootlegs) irrelevant so the new one is the only edition you need.  Sometimes they have to make sacrifices to fit in the 80 minute runtime, sometimes a composer might reject the inclusion of something he would like to include, but that seems to be the goal he strives for

[Jay 38,746]

I cleaned up the main post to put OST licenses that have expired into their own section

 

And I also had 20th Century Records in the wrong spot!

 

And I also added Heidi and Jane Eyre!

[Jay 38,746]

Here's a simplified list of the remaining expansions / premieres

 

There was no OST album

• 1958 Daddy-O
• 1960 I Passed For White
• 1960 Because They're Young
• 1961 The Secret Ways
• 1963 Gidget Goes To Rome
• 1964 The Killers
• 1966 The Rare Breed
• 1966 The Plainsman
• 1969 Daddy's Gone A-Hunting
• 1970 Storia di una donna (Story of a Woman)
• 1972 The Screaming Woman
• 1972 Images
• 1973 The Paper Chase
• 1974 Conrack
• 1974 The Sugarland Express

Disney

• 1977 Star Wars
• 1980 The Empire Strikes Back
• 1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark
• 1983 Return of the Jedi
• 1984 Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
• 1989 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
• 1995 Nixon
• 1999 The Phantom Menace
• 2000 The Patriot {Sony Pictures controls the music that wasn't on the OST}
• 2002 Attack of the Clones
• 2005 Revenge of the Sith
• 2008 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
• 2015 Star Wars: The Force Awakens
• 2016 The BFG
• 2017 Star Wars: The Last Jedi
• 2019 Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

Sony Music

• 1969 The Reivers
• 1986 SpaceCamp
• 1991 Hook
• 1997 Seven Years In Tibet
• 1998 Stepmom
• 1999 Angela's Ashes
• 2005 Memoirs Of A Geisha
• 2011 The Adventures of Tintin
• 2011 War Horse
• 2012 Lincoln
• 2013 The Book Thief
• 2017 The Post

Universal Music Enterprises

• 1967 Valley of the Dolls
• 1968 Heidi
• 1970 Jane Eyre
• 1971 Fiddler On The Roof
• 1973 Cinderella Liberty
• 1975 The Eiger Sanction
• 1989 Born On The Fourth Of July
• 1989 Always
• 1995 Sabrina
• 1996 Sleepers
• 1997 Amistad
• 2002 Catch Me If You Can
• 2004 The Terminal
• 2005 War of the Worlds
• 2005 Munich

Warner Music Group

• 1963 Diamond Head
• 1987 The Witches Of Eastwick
• 1988 The Accidental Tourist
• 1991 JFK

Varèse Sarabande

• 1990 Presumed Innocent

 

Man there's still soooooo many JW scores to revisit!  The man sure was prolific......

[Bayesian 1,418]

These lists are terrific references to have. Makes it so much easier to track what might be coming and when. Thanks for putting them together, @Jay!

[Jay 38,746]

Crossed War of the Worlds off the list

[Dr. Rick 1,186]

On 9/4/2020 at 9:01 AM, Jay said:

Pre-fee increase, unexpanded Williams scores with a -0 or -5 anniversary in 2020:

 

• The Eiger Sanction (45th anniversary, Universal / UME)
• SpaceCamp (35th anniversary, Disney / Sony)
• Presumed Innocent (30th anniversary, Warner Brothers / Varese)
• Sabrina (25th anniversary, Paramount / UME)
• Nixon (25th anniversary, Disney / Disney)
• The Patriot (20th anniversary, Sony / Disney)

 

Really @Jay ?   Was this intentional to leave WOTW off at the time to throw us off the trail?   

 

I thought it was completed just before the cut-off date?  

[Jay 38,746]

Wow weird! I dunno how I managed to forget that one when making that post, nor how nobody else noticed I forgot it either.  Fixed now!

Yea, it was recorded before the cutoff -  The film opened June 23, and Mike's post says the cutoff date is is July 3rd

 

[Dr. Rick 1,186]

Close, but it says 25th anniversary  

 

1991

Hook

Sony

Sony

LLL, Intrada, Varese

 

How weird would it be to have a potential Hook re-release go through Intrada or Varese?  I know it's happened before with HA2 and The Fury, but IMHO there's nobody better at artwork than Jim Titus, he definitely puts his heart and soul into these releases and it shows!

[Jay 38,746]

Typo fixed and I agree, Jim Titus is the best in the business - and it's not even close

 

I was very happy he got to do the artwork for Varese's Dracula set!

[Dr. Rick 1,186]

Oh that's right!  Forgot about his involvement in Dracula.  The packaging for that release was exceptional.

[Jay 38,746]

Yea I loved those old drawings from Edward Gorey!

[Dr. Rick 1,186]

Where's the SW:ST?

 

Year	Film	Film Studio	Music Label	Potential Label
1967	Valley of the Dolls	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1973	Cinderella Liberty	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1977	Star Wars	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1980	Empire Strikes Back	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1981	Raiders of the Lost Ark	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1983	Return of the Jedi	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1984	Temple of Doom	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1989	Last Crusade	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1995	Nixon	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1999	Phantom Menace	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2000	The Patriot	Sony	Disney	Intrada
2002	Attack of the Clones	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2005	Revenge of the Sith	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2008	Crystal Skull	Disney	Disney	Disney Records

[Jay 38,746]

Huh, must have been an oversight.  The BFG is also missing from that post.

 

Obviously, those can only be expanded by Disney Records themselves

[Jay 38,746]

I cleaned up a few mistakes / misinformation in various posts, should be all correct info posted by me now.

[E-Wan 66]

Arista Records

• 1990 Home Alone (La-La Land 2015)

Jay, IMHO Arista Records released the song album, not John Williams' score which was released by CBS Records.

 

Dreamworks Records

• 2004 The Terminal
• 2005 War of the Worlds (Intrada 2020)
• 2005 Munich

Jay, in fact these 3 soundtracks have been released by Decca Records, not Dreamworks Records.

[Jay 38,746]

On 05/10/2020 at 2:50 PM, E-Wan said:

Arista Records

• 1990 Home Alone (La-La Land 2015)

Jay, IMHO Arista Records released the song album, not John Williams' score which was released by CBS Records.

 

Absolutely right!  Fixed!

 

Quote

Dreamworks Records

• 2004 The Terminal
• 2005 War of the Worlds (Intrada 2020)
• 2005 Munich

Jay, in fact these 3 soundtracks have been released by Decca Records, not Dreamworks Records.

 

Internationally, sure.  In the USA, they are Dreamworks Records.

[E-Wan 66]

10 minutes ago, Jay said:

Internationally, sure.  In the USA, they are Dreamworks Records.

 

Really? According to the following sources all U.S. versions were released by Decca Records too.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_discography

 

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/65585/Terminal%2C+The

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/69722/War+Of+The+Worlds

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/73506/Munich

 

Only FYC promos for The Terminal and Munich were released by DreamWorks.

 

[Jay 38,746]

Hmmm I'll have to double check my CDs at home, then!  I was looking at them this weekend for something and I remember the Dreamworks Records logo clear as day on Amistad, Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report, and Catch Me If You Can.... but now I can't remember precisely what Terminal WOTW, and Munich said!  I'll double check when I get home

 

EDIT: Wikipedia says UMG bought Dreamworks Records in 2003, so maybe the titles released after that point still had the Dreamworks Records logo on them, but they were not distributed by UMG/Decca and got Decca catalog numbers

[E-Wan 66]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

Hmmm I'll have to double check my CDs at home, then!  I was looking at them this weekend for something and I remember the Dreamworks Records logo clear as day on Amistad, Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report, and Catch Me If You Can.... but now I can't remember precisely what Terminal WOTW, and Munich said!  I'll double check when I get home

 

EDIT: Wikipedia says UMG bought Dreamworks Records in 2003, so maybe the titles released after that point still had the Dreamworks Records logo on them, but they were not distributed by UMG/Decca and got Decca catalog numbers

 

Yes, I think this is the reason why Amistad, Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can are Dreamworks Records releases and The Terminal, War of the Worlds and Munich are not.

[Jay 38,746]

Makes sense to me!

 

All fixed up.

[E-Wan 66]

Jay, in the long main list Angela's Ashes is Sony Music release but in the simplified list it is Universal Music Group release.

What is right?

[Jay 38,746]

Curiously, that OST album was Sony Classical (SME) in the US, but Decca (UMG) in every other territory.

I assume Sony Music will be the entity that matters, but that's probably why I got mixed up above.  I fixed it so it's Sony in both places now.

[Jay 38,746]

Crossed Always off the list.

 

The Eiger Sanction and Born on the Fourth of July is all that remains at MCA Records to be expanded!

[Jay 38,746]

Added a note about the Quartet release of Images.

I waffled on crossing it out, because it got the MM and JW-approved treatment now, or leaving it un-crossed out, because it's not expanded.  I decided on the latter but could have gone either way.

[Jay 38,746]

Crossed The Eiger Sanction off the list.

 

Born On The Fourth Of July is the only remaining score with an MCA Records contract that hasn't been expanded!

[crumbs 14,584]

On 03/09/2020 at 5:01 PM, Jay said:

MCA Records

• 1974 Earthquake (La-La Land 2019)
• 1975 The Eiger Sanction (Intrada 2021)
• 1975 Jaws (Intrada 2015)
• 1978 Jaws 2 (Intrada 2015)
• 1979 Dracula (Varese 2018)
• 1982 E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (La-La Land 2017)
• 1984 The River (Intrada 2020)
• 1989 Born On The Fourth Of July
• 1989 Always (La-La Land 2021)
• 1992 Far And Away (La-La Land 2020)
• 1993 Jurassic Park (La-La Land 2016)
• 1993 Schindler's List (La-La Land 2018)
• 1997 The Lost World (La-La Land 2016)

 

BOT4J looking a bit lonely here... 

 

Is there no major appetite for an expansion of this score, due to the repetition of the main theme? 

 

On 03/09/2020 at 5:01 PM, Jay said:

Universal

• 1961 The Secret Ways {there was no OST album}
• 1964 The Killers {there was no OST album}
• 1966 The Rare Breed {there was no OST album}
• 1966 The Plainsman {there was no OST album}
• 1970 Storia di una donna (Story of a Woman) {there was no OST album}
• 1972 The Screaming Woman {there was no OST album}
• 1972 Pete 'n' Tillie (Varese 2017) {there was no OST album}
• 1974 The Sugarland Express {there was no OST album}

 

Wow that's a big chunk of unreleased Universal scores. 

 

I wonder if LLL could pitch a Williams At Universal collection, in the same vein as their Goldsmith At 20th series? Bundling the shorter scores together might make for a more satisfying album, if JW doesn't think each score deserves a standalone release.

 

All these years later we're yet to hear if Mike was successful in his pitch to JW about releasing Sugarland... and he's probably the only man on earth who can convince him. 

[GerateWohl 4,916]

I really really liked the BOT4J OST with the songs. And it works much better than with the JFK OST where permanently songs and score change. But for both a score only relase would be very welcome.

[Dr. Rick 1,186]

My opinion of Always changed dramatically once the LLL expansion came out since the pop songs were no longer part of the disc program, hope the same rings true with BOTFOJ

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,453]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

he's probably the only man on earth who can convince him. 

Maybe I could alas I can't reach him

[Jay 38,746]

I'd buy a JW at Universal collection!  One big box or separate releases, just get out what's preserved!

[crumbs 14,584]

13 hours ago, Jay said:

I'd buy a JW at Universal collection!  One big box or separate releases, just get out what's preserved!

 

No new information here but I reviewed the Disaster Box podcast (circa December 2019) and these were the key points:

• Mike said he doesn't know if elements still exist for The Secret Ways (surprised nobody went looking back in the FSM days?)
• The Rare Breed and Story of a Woman have both been transferred, and Intrada was planning to release both scores (not sure if they secured a licence from Universal?) but when they approached Williams he said no.
• The Sugarland Express has also been archived and was "good material." Apparently it was "presented to him" but he again said no. Not sure if that means an album was assembled, or if he was just asked about doing it.
• Valley of the Dolls has been transferred but the tapes were in very poor shape and considered unusable a few years back due to WOW, but improvements in sound restoration software mean it could be fixed now. Mike mentioned waiting until the dust settled with Disney/Fox before approaching them about a license for this.

He also mentioned there were other unreleased Universal titles being looked at and he wasn't kidding! Since that interview we've had expansions for The River, Far & Away, Always and The Eiger Sanction. So things are quite fruitful with Universal at the moment...

 

JW does seem to like the box sets though. Perhaps if he feels a standalone release for Sugarland is unsubstantial, he might be agreeable to a collection of similarly short scores from his early Universal career.

[BrotherSound 2,289]

On 10/11/2021 at 9:38 AM, crumbs said:

BOT4J looking a bit lonely here... 

 

Is there no major appetite for an expansion of this score, due to the repetition of the main theme? 

It’s not just that the themes repeat, it’s that many of the repetitions are note-for-note the same, down to even reusing multiple full score pages for large sections of some cues.

It would certainly be the least interesting expansion of the Oliver Stone scores, not that I wouldn’t snatch it up anyway!

[Jay 38,746]

Much like I just did in the By Film Studio thread, here's the unexpanded/unreleased, pre-AFM rate increase scores only, by Music Label!

 

Disney Records

1. 1977 Star Wars
2. 1980 The Empire Strikes Back
3. 1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark
4. 1983 Return of the Jedi
5. 1984 Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
6. 1989 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
7. 1995 Nixon
8. 1999 The Phantom Menace
9. 2000 The Patriot
10. 2002 Attack of the Clones
11. 2005 Revenge of the Sith

Sony Music Entertainment

1. 1969 The Reivers
2. 1986 SpaceCamp
3. 1991 Hook
4. 1997 Seven Years In Tibet
5. 1998 Stepmom
6. 1999 Angela's Ashes

Universal Music Group

1. 1967 Valley of the Dolls
2. 1973 Cinderella Liberty
3. 1968 Heidi
4. 1970 Jane Eyre
5. 1971 Fiddler On The Roof
6. 1989 Born On The Fourth Of July
7. 1995 Sabrina
8. 1996 Sleepers
9. 1997 Amistad
10. 2002 Catch Me If You Can
11. 2004 The Terminal

Warner Music Group

1. 1963 Diamond Head
2. 1987 The Witches Of Eastwick
3. 1988 The Accidental Tourist
4. 1991 JFK

Varèse Sarabande

1. 1990 Presumed Innocent

There is no music label (the film studio owns all the rights)

1. 1958 Daddy-O (Sony)
2. 1960 I Passed For White (Paramount)
3. 1960 Because They're Young (Sony)
4. 1961 The Secret Ways (Universal)
5. 1963 Gidget Goes To Rome (Sony)
6. 1964 The Killers (Universal)
7. 1966 The Rare Breed (Universal)
8. 1966 The Plainsman (Universal)
9. 1969 Daddy's Gone A-Hunting (Warner Brothers)
10. 1970 Storia di una donna (Story of a Woman) (Universal)
11. 1972 The Screaming Woman (Universal)
12. 1973 The Paper Chase (20th Century Studios)
13. 1974 Conrack (20th Century Studios)
14. 1974 The Sugarland Express (Universal)

[Jay 38,746]

Crossed Fiddler on the Roof off the list

[Jay 38,746]

Crossed SpaceCamp off the list

[Jay 38,746]

Crossed Presumed Innocent off the list