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As a companion piece to John Williams Scores - By Film Studio, here's the exact same list of scores, except sorted by which music label would have to be involved to make an expansion happen  

As you can see, all Williams scores that had an OST album to begin with [barring the Varese trilogy] require a license from one of just FOUR major music labels that have absorbed up the almost 20 diff

I figured I'd whip up a quick chart of the remaining scores that haven't been expanded with a column for the film studio, record label, and potential specialty label (based on what combos they've rele

Pre-fee increase, unexpanded Williams scores with a -0 or -5 anniversary in 2020:

 

  • The Eiger Sanction (45th anniversary, Universal / UME)
  • SpaceCamp (35th anniversary, Disney / Sony)
  • Presumed Innocent (30th anniversary, Warner Brothers / Varese)
  • Sabrina (25th anniversary, Paramount / UME)
  • Nixon (25th anniversary, Disney / Disney)
  • The Patriot (20th anniversary, Sony / Disney)
  • War of the Worlds (15th anniversary, Paramount / UME)
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Well if MV's comment about trying to make an anniversary was related to a Williams release, and considering their strong ties with Universal, The Eiger Sanction seems like a shoe-in for October or Black Friday.

 

Don't see much of an appetite for an expanded Sabrina or Presumed Innocent (not to mention the issues labels are now having with management at WB).

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They're having issues with Warner Music Group, not Warner Brothers Pictures.  There's no relation between the two entities

 

Oops! I  flip-flopped this, is is Warner Pictures that is the issue, not Warner Music.  Apologies.

 

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2021 anniversaries:

 

  • Fiddler on the Roof (50th anniversary, MGM / UME)
  • JFK (30th anniversary, Warner Bros / WMG)
  • Hook (30th anniversary, Sony / Sony)
  • Sleepers (25th anniversary, Warner Bros / UME)
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33 minutes ago, Jay said:

They're having issues with Warner Music Group, not Warner Brothers Pictures.  There's no relation between the two entities

 

Thanks for clarifying. Still doubt there's an expansion for Presumed Innocent in the works though (don't have the faintest idea what's unreleased) but I guess Varese would be happy to expand any Williams scores they partially own.

 

If Warner Music Group are being problematic, that puts HP4 and HP5 on ice as their OSTs belong to Warner Brothers Records (parent company is Warner Music Group).

 

Ironically HP6/HP7/HP8 wouldn't be an issue as those OSTs belong to WaterTower music, which isn't a subsidiary of WMG (thus theoretically easier to license). So a Desplat box isn't out of the question, even if it means skipping the scores in between.

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On 9/4/2020 at 10:39 AM, crumbs said:

If Warner Music Group are being problematic, that puts HP4 and HP5 on ice for the foreseeable future, as their OSTs belong to Warner Brothers Records whose parent company is Warner Music Group. Ironically HP6/HP7/HP8 wouldn't be an issue, as those OSTs belong to WaterTower music, which isn't a subsidiary of WMG (thus theoretically easier to license).

 

Exactly right!

 

 

 

Also, I don't think any issues they are having are permanent, just temporary.

 

Sony Music briefly cut off licensing, but MV has said they are back in now.

 

WMG and UME have been very slow, but not closed off entirely.  From UME, we just got Casper and Swashbuckler in the past few months.  From WMG, other than the Harry Potter box BF 2018, Superman a few months later, and Towering Inferno BF 2019, I can't think off the top of my head of anything else from other composers in the past year or so, but I'm sure they've been some

 

Regardless, after covid, things should return to normal at all these places.  I think Sony Pictures has been closed for any licensing since it started and hasn't reopened yet, for example

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So it's just jumping and shouting, trying to get a hold of Disney? I guess this is a problem when hugecorporations like Disney buy everything else up, instead of communicating with them, they will initiate discussions at their convenience.

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8 minutes ago, Jay said:

Sony Music was briefly cut off, but MV has said they are back in now.

 

They still have those 2 mystery titles as well, which were first mentioned well over a year ago (before there was any hint of issues with Sony). Seems like those have been in development for an unusually long time.

 

A 30th Anniversary expansion for Hook seems like such a no-brainer, Not sure what's stopping them from re-releasing that score under Mike's supervision (other than cost; they said the initial release was extremely expensive IIRC). If what they said about the vaulted unreleased music is true, maybe it's just a licensing nightmare.

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1 hour ago, Arpy said:

So it's just jumping and shouting, trying to get a hold of Disney? I guess this is a problem when hugecorporations like Disney buy everything else up, instead of communicating with them, they will initiate discussions at their convenience.

 

Intrada Records has worked with Disney a ton and put out plenty of scores they control - Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend, Black Hole, Hocus Pocus, Night Crossing, A Far Off Place, Return to Oz, Secret of NIMH, The Rocketeer, Dick Tracy, Alive, etc.  

 

It's certainly plausible they could get to do Nixon and SpaceCamp.  The Patriot, I dunno if that would have to be Intrada, or could be anybody, since Disney only controls the OST album, and Sony Pictures controls all the rest of the music; They'd basically just have to sign paperwork to make the release happen, they don't have to go dig for and transfer any elements or anything

 

The SW and Indy scores will come out on Disney Records in completely form eventually, surely!  We must believe!

 

 

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

They still have those 2 mystery titles as well, which were first mentioned well over a year ago (before there was any hint of issues with Sony). Seems like those have been in development for an unusually long time.

 

They were'nt mentioned BEFORE there was a hint of issues with Sony, they were mentioned BECAUSE there was issues with Sony. Here is the source on JWFan: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/29227-sony-music-no-longer-dealing-with-soundtrack-labels-update-la-la-land-is-back-in/ or the original source on FSM: https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=116&threadID=118900&archive=0

 

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A 30th Anniversary expansion for Hook seems like such a no-brainer, Not sure what's stopping them from re-releasing that score under Mike's supervision (other than cost; they said the initial release was extremely expensive IIRC). If what they said about the vaulted unreleased music is true, maybe it's just a licensing nightmare.

 

I guess the same things that hold up any other releases: elements or approvals.  In the case of Hook, if those missing reels are still missing, maybe they don't consider a new version worth doing until they are found?  As for approvals, if they found any of the song demos or anything, they'd have to track down the names of any vocal performers and see if they are under contract with anyone that would need to approve.  Plus, all Spielberg films need to be approved by him, and not just by JW; and he's been pretty busy.  Of course, he did allow a bunch of really weird deleted scenes on the latest Hook blu, so that gives me hope.  But then again, maybe he wouldn't want a release of a musical-ish film score he seems to generally feel ashamed of, when West Side Story is imminent.  Luckily by the end of 2021, the actual 30th anniversary of Hook (it opened December 11 1991), West Side Story should be old news...

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I looked up which film scores that had an OST album on the Hollywood Records label (the label that released The Patriot OST) and have gotten an expansion from the specialty labels, and this is what I found:

 

  • JNH's Alive (Intrada)
  • Goldsmith's The Ghost and the Darkness (Intrada)
  • Zimmer's MIssion: Impossible II (Mondo - LP only)
  • Newman's Operation Dumbo Drop (Intrada)
  • Goldsmith's Powder (Intrada)
  • Horner's The Rocketeer (Intrada)

 

So it looks like other than the weird Mondo exception, it's gonna be Intrada for The Patriot.

 

Can you imagine, though, if Mondo releases a Patriot expansion on vinyl only? 

 

I don't think it's possible, because I don't think Williams allows anyone except Mike to work on his scores, and I don't know if Mike would do Patriot for Mondo without securing rights for Intrada to do a simultaneous CD version, but stranger things have happened.....

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1 hour ago, Jay said:

As for approvals, if they found any of the song demos or anything, they'd have to track down the names of any vocal performers and see if they are under contract with anyone that would need to approve.

 

Sadly they never elaborated on why that material couldn't be released the first time (we can guess, could be a multitude of reasons) but I suspect they wouldn't bother re-releasing the score unless they were able to get all the material out there and do it comprehensively (especially when fans already purchased that flawed release). They probably want to ensure any subsequent release is worth the second purchase. 

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That's Mike's philosophy for any score he works on: Make all prior releases (and bootlegs) irrelevant so the new one is the only edition you need.  Sometimes they have to make sacrifices to fit in the 80 minute runtime, sometimes a composer might reject the inclusion of something he would like to include, but that seems to be the goal he strives for

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I cleaned up the main post to put OST licenses that have expired into their own section

 

And I also had 20th Century Records in the wrong spot!

 

And I also added Heidi and Jane Eyre!

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On 9/4/2020 at 9:01 AM, Jay said:

Pre-fee increase, unexpanded Williams scores with a -0 or -5 anniversary in 2020:

 

  • The Eiger Sanction (45th anniversary, Universal / UME)
  • SpaceCamp (35th anniversary, Disney / Sony)
  • Presumed Innocent (30th anniversary, Warner Brothers / Varese)
  • Sabrina (25th anniversary, Paramount / UME)
  • Nixon (25th anniversary, Disney / Disney)
  • The Patriot (20th anniversary, Sony / Disney)

 

Really @Jay ? ;)  Was this intentional to leave WOTW off at the time to throw us off the trail?   :P

 

I thought it was completed just before the cut-off date?  

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Wow weird! I dunno how I managed to forget that one when making that post, nor how nobody else noticed I forgot it either.  Fixed now!

Yea, it was recorded before the cutoff -  The film opened June 23, and Mike's post says the cutoff date is is July 3rd

 

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Close, but it says 25th anniversary ;) 

 

1991 Hook Sony Sony

LLL, Intrada, Varese

 

How weird would it be to have a potential Hook re-release go through Intrada or Varese?  I know it's happened before with HA2 and The Fury, but IMHO there's nobody better at artwork than Jim Titus, he definitely puts his heart and soul into these releases and it shows!

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Typo fixed and I agree, Jim Titus is the best in the business - and it's not even close

 

I was very happy he got to do the artwork for Varese's Dracula set!

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Where's the SW:ST?

 

Year Film Film Studio Music Label Potential Label
1967 Valley of the Dolls Disney Disney Intrada
1973 Cinderella Liberty Disney Disney Intrada
1977 Star Wars Disney Disney Disney Records
1980 Empire Strikes Back Disney Disney Disney Records
1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark Disney Disney Disney Records
1983 Return of the Jedi Disney Disney Disney Records
1984 Temple of Doom Disney Disney Disney Records
1989 Last Crusade Disney Disney Disney Records
1995 Nixon Disney Disney Intrada
1999 Phantom Menace Disney Disney Disney Records
2000 The Patriot Sony Disney Intrada
2002 Attack of the Clones Disney Disney Disney Records
2005 Revenge of the Sith Disney Disney Disney Records
2008 Crystal Skull Disney Disney Disney Records
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Huh, must have been an oversight.  The BFG is also missing from that post.

 

Obviously, those can only be expanded by Disney Records themselves

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Arista Records

  • 1990 Home Alone (La-La Land 2015)

Jay, IMHO Arista Records released the song album, not John Williams' score which was released by CBS Records.

 

Dreamworks Records

  • 2004 The Terminal
  • 2005 War of the Worlds (Intrada 2020)
  • 2005 Munich

Jay, in fact these 3 soundtracks have been released by Decca Records, not Dreamworks Records.

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4 minutes ago, E-Wan said:

Arista Records

  • 1990 Home Alone (La-La Land 2015)

Jay, IMHO Arista Records released the song album, not John Williams' score which was released by CBS Records.

 

Absolutely right!  Fixed!

 

4 minutes ago, E-Wan said:

Dreamworks Records

  • 2004 The Terminal
  • 2005 War of the Worlds (Intrada 2020)
  • 2005 Munich

Jay, in fact these 3 soundtracks have been released by Decca Records, not Dreamworks Records.

 

Internationally, sure.  In the USA, they are Dreamworks Records.

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10 minutes ago, Jay said:

Internationally, sure.  In the USA, they are Dreamworks Records.

 

Really? According to the following sources all U.S. versions were released by Decca Records too.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_discography

 

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/65585/Terminal%2C+The

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/69722/War+Of+The+Worlds

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/73506/Munich

 

Only FYC promos for The Terminal and Munich were released by DreamWorks.

 

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Hmmm I'll have to double check my CDs at home, then!  I was looking at them this weekend for something and I remember the Dreamworks Records logo clear as day on Amistad, Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report, and Catch Me If You Can.... but now I can't remember precisely what Terminal WOTW, and Munich said!  I'll double check when I get home

 

EDIT: Wikipedia says UMG bought Dreamworks Records in 2003, so maybe the titles released after that point still had the Dreamworks Records logo on them, but they were not distributed by UMG/Decca and got Decca catalog numbers

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4 minutes ago, Jay said:

Hmmm I'll have to double check my CDs at home, then!  I was looking at them this weekend for something and I remember the Dreamworks Records logo clear as day on Amistad, Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report, and Catch Me If You Can.... but now I can't remember precisely what Terminal WOTW, and Munich said!  I'll double check when I get home

 

EDIT: Wikipedia says UMG bought Dreamworks Records in 2003, so maybe the titles released after that point still had the Dreamworks Records logo on them, but they were not distributed by UMG/Decca and got Decca catalog numbers

 

Yes, I think this is the reason why Amistad, Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can are Dreamworks Records releases and The Terminal, War of the Worlds and Munich are not.

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Curiously, that OST album was Sony Classical (SME) in the US, but Decca (UMG) in every other territory.


I assume Sony Music will be the entity that matters, but that's probably why I got mixed up above.  I fixed it so it's Sony in both places now.

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