John Williams scores - By Music Label

[Jay 30099]

As a companion piece to John Williams Scores - By Film Studio, here's the exact same list of scores, except sorted by which music label would have to be involved to make an expansion happen

 

Bold = has not been expanded in the modern era
strikethrough = has been expanded in the modern era
 

 

Disney

Hollywood Records

• 1995 Nixon
• 2000 The Patriot

Disney Records

• 2015 Star Wars: The Force Awakens
• 2016 The BFG
• 2017 Star Wars: The Last Jedi
• 2019 Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
• 2023 Indianan Jones 5

7 out of 7 total DR scores are awaiting a definitive release

 

 

 

Sony Music Entertainment

CBS Records

• 1969 The Reivers
• 1990 Home Alone (La-La Land 2015)

Arista Records

• 1977 Close Encounters of the Third Kind (La-La Land 2017)
• 1978 The Fury (La-La Land 2013)
• 1979 1941 (La-La Land 2011)

• 1992 Home Alone 2 (La-la Land 2012)

RCA Records

• 1986 SpaceCamp (Intrada 2022)

Epic Records

• 1991 Hook (La-La Land 2012 release is not complete)

Sony Classical

• 1997 Rosewood (La-La Land 2013)
• 1998 Stepmom
• 1999 Angela's Ashes
• 2005 Memoirs Of A Geisha
• 2011 The Adventures of Tintin
• 2011 War Horse
• 2012 Lincoln
• 2013 The Book Thief
• 2017 The Post
• 2022 The Fabelmans

Mandalay Records

• 1997 Seven Years In Tibet

12 out of 19 total SME scores are awaiting a definitive release

 

 

 

Universal Music Group

20th Century Fox Records

• 1966 How To Steal A Million (Intrada 2008)
• 1967 Valley of the Dolls
• 1973 Cinderella Liberty (Intrada 2008 release is not expanded)

Capitol Records

• 1968 Heidi (2013 Quartet Records release is not expanded)
• 1970 Jane Eyre (2012 La-La Land release is not expanded

United Artists Records

• 1971 Fiddler On The Roof (La La Land 2021)

MCA Records

• 1974 Earthquake (La-La Land 2019)
• 1975 The Eiger Sanction (Intrada 2021)
• 1975 Jaws (Intrada 2015)
• 1978 Jaws 2 (Intrada 2015)
• 1979 Dracula (Varese 2018)
• 1982 E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (La-La Land 2017)
• 1984 The River (Intrada 2020)
• 1989 Born On The Fourth Of July
• 1989 Always (La-La Land 2021)
• 1992 Far And Away (La-La Land 2020)
• 1993 Jurassic Park (La-La Land 2022)
• 1993 Schindler's List (La-La Land 2018)
• 1997 The Lost World (La-La Land 2016)

Casablanca Records

• 1982 Monsignor (Intrada 2019)

A&M Records

• 1995 Sabrina

Philips Records

• 1996 Sleepers

Dreamworks Records

• 1997 Amistad (2022 La-La Land)
• 1998 Saving Private Ryan (La-La Land 2018)
• 2002 Minority Report (La-La Land 2019)
• 2002 Catch Me If You Can

Decca Records

• 2004 The Terminal
• 2005 War of the Worlds (Intrada 2020)
• 2005 Munich

10 out of 29 total UMG scores are awaiting a definitive release

 

 

 

Warner Music Group

Colpix Records

• 1963 Diamond Head (FSM 2006 release is not expanded)

Warner Bros Records

• 1966 Not With My Wife You Don't! (FSM 2006)
• 1974 The Towering Inferno (La-La Land 2019)
• 1978 Superman: The Movie (La-La Land 2019)
• 1987 The Witches Of Eastwick (Perseverance 2012 release is not expanded)
• 1987 Empire Of The Sun (La-La Land 2014)
• 1988 The Accidental Tourist (FSM 2008 release is not expanded)
• 1991 JFK
• 2001 A.I. Artificial Intelligence (La-La Land 2015)
• 2001 Harry Potter 1 and the Sorcerer's Stone (La-La Land 2018)
• 2002 Harry Potter 2 and the Chamber of Secrets (La-La Land 2018)
• 2004 Harry Potter 3 and the Prisoner of Azkaban (La-La Land 2018)

4 out of 12 total WMG scores are awaiting definitive releases

 

 

 

Varèse Sarabande

• 1972 The Cowboys (Varese 2018) {There was no OST album, but Varese bought perpetuity album rights circa 1994}
• 1990 Stanley & Iris (Varese 2017)
• 1990 Presumed Innocent (Varese 2022)

 

 

 

There is no music label (the film studio owns all the rights)

20th Century Studios (formerly 20th Century Fox, now owned by Disney, but licensing does not need Disney approval)

• 1962 Bachelor Flat (Intrada 2008) {there was no OST album}
• 1965 John Goldfarb, Please Come Home (FSM 2001) {there was no OST album}
• 1967 A Guide For The Married Man (FSM 2000) {there was no OST album}
• 1972 The Poseidon Adventure (La-La Land 2019) {there was no OST album}
• 1973 The Paper Chase (FSM 1998 released can be improved upon) {there was no OST album}
• 1974 Conrack (FSM 1998 released can be improved upon) {there was no OST album}

Disney (Lucasfilm-owned scores, as old music contracts expire, only Disney Records issues music from these films now)

• 1977 Star Wars (1997 RCA release is not complete) {20th Century Fox Records, Arista, and RCA/BMG/Sony contracts were temporary}
• 1980 The Empire Strikes Back (1997 RCA release is not complete and has sound quality issues) {20th Century Fox Records, Arista, and RCA/BMG/Sony contracts were temporary}
• 1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark (2008 Concord release is not complete and has pitch issues) {CBS/Sony and Concord contracts were temporary}
• 1983 Return of the Jedi (1997 RCA release is not complete and has sound quality issues) {20th Century Fox Records, Arista, and RCA/BMG/Sony contracts were temporary}
• 1984 Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (2008 Concord release is not complete and has pitch issues) {Polydor/UMG and Concord contracts were temporary}
• 1989 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (2008 Concord release is not complete) {Warner Bros Records and Concord contracts were temporary}
• 1999 The Phantom Menace (2000 Ultimate Edition is not complete and has many other problems) {Sony contract was temporary}
• 2002 Attack of the Clones {Sony contract was temporary}
• 2005 Revenge of the Sith {Sony contract was temporary}
• 2008 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull {Concord contract was temporary}

MGM

• 1967 Fitzwilly (Music Box Records 2013) {United Artists Records contract was temporary}
• 1973 Tom Sawyer (Quartet 2015) {United Artists Records contract was temporary}
• 1973 The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing (FSM 2002) {there was no OST album}
• 1973 The Long Goodbye (Quartet 2012) {there was no OST album}
• 1976 The Missouri Breaks (Kritzerland 2013) {United Artists Records contract was temporary}

Paramount

• 1960 I Passed For White {there was no OST album}
• 1977 Black Sunday (FSM 2010) {there was no OST album}

Sony

• 1958 Daddy-O {there was no OST album}
• 1960 Because They're Young {there was no OST album}
• 1963 Gidget Goes To Rome {there was no OST album}
• 1972 Images (Prometheus 2007 release and 2021 Quartet release are not expanded) {there was no OST album}

Warner Brothers

• 1965 None But The Brave (FSM 2009) {there was no OST album}
• 1966 Penelope (FSM 2004) {MGM Records contract was temporary}
• 1969 Goodbye, Mr. Chips (FSM 2006) {MGM Records contract was temporary}
• 1969 Daddy's Gone A-Hunting {there was no OST album}

Universal

• 1961 The Secret Ways {there was no OST album}
• 1964 The Killers {there was no OST album}
• 1966 The Rare Breed {there was no OST album}
• 1966 The Plainsman {there was no OST album}
• 1970 Storia di una donna (Story of a Woman) {there was no OST album}
• 1972 The Screaming Woman {there was no OST album}
• 1972 Pete 'n' Tillie (Varese 2017) {there was no OST album}
• 1974 The Sugarland Express {there was no OST album}
• 1976 Family Plot (Varese 2010) {there was no OST album}
• 1976 Midway (Varese 2011) {there was no OST album}
• 1981 Heartbeeps (Varese 2001) {there was no OST album}

25 out of 42 scores with no connected music label are awaiting definitive releases

If I made any mistakes, let me know!

[Jay 30099]

As you can see, all Williams scores that had an OST album to begin with [barring the Varese trilogy] require a license from one of just FOUR major music labels that have absorbed up the almost 20 different smaller labels that put out various Williams OSTs over the years - Disney Records (the only one still owned by a conglomerate that also owns a film studio), Sony Music (still a part of overall Sony but has to approve expansion of titles they released separately from the film studio arm approval), Universal Music Enterprises (no relation to Universal Pictures), and Warner Music Group (no relation to Warner Brothers Pictures).

 

To make any of these expansions happen, that music label has to be open for business (granting licenses, approving artwork, signing off on releases), and its associated film studio has to to the same (granting licenses, procuring elements from their vaults, signing off on releases)

 

It's a tricky business and I'm glad I don't have to be the one to negotiate these things!

[Jay 30099]

I figured I'd whip up a quick chart of the remaining scores that haven't been expanded with a column for the film studio, record label, and potential specialty label (based on what combos they've released titles from in the past)

 

sorted by music label

 

Year	Film	Film Studio	Music Label	Potential Label
1967	Valley of the Dolls	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1973	Cinderella Liberty	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1977	Star Wars	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1980	Empire Strikes Back	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1981	Raiders of the Lost Ark	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1983	Return of the Jedi	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1984	Temple of Doom	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1989	Last Crusade	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1995	Nixon	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1999	Phantom Menace	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2000	The Patriot	Sony	Disney	Intrada
2002	Attack of the Clones	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2005	Revenge of the Sith	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2008	Crystal Skull	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1969	The Reivers	Paramount	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1985	SpaceCamp	Disney	Sony	Intrada
1991	Hook	Sony	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1998	Stepmom	Sony	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1999	Angela's Ashes	Paramount	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
2005	Memoirs of a Geisha	Dreamworks	Sony	LLL, Intrada
2011	Adventures of Tintin	Paramount	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
2011	War Horse	Dreamworks	Sony	LLL, Intrada
2012	Lincoln	Dreamworks	Sony	LLL, Intrada
2013	Book Thief	Disney	Sony	Intrada
2017	The Post	Disney	Sony	Intrada
1997	Seven Years In Tibet	Sony	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1971	Fiddler on the Roof	MGM	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1989	Born On The Fourth Of July	Universal	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1989	Always	Universal	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1995	Sabrina	Paramount	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1996	Sleepers	WB	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1997	Amistad	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2002	Catch Me If You Can	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2004	The Terminal	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2005	War of the Worlds	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2005	Munich	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
1963	Diamond Head	Sony	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1987	The Witches Of Eastwick	WB	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1988	The Accidental Tourist	WB	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1991	JFK	WB	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1990	Presumed Innocent	WB	Varese	Varese

 

sorted by film studio

 

Year	Film	Film Studio	Music Label	Potential Label
1967	Valley of the Dolls	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1973	Cinderella Liberty	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1977	Star Wars	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1980	Empire Strikes Back	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1981	Raiders of the Lost Ark	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1983	Return of the Jedi	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1984	Temple of Doom	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1985	SpaceCamp	Disney	Sony	Intrada
1989	Last Crusade	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1995	Nixon	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1999	Phantom Menace	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2002	Attack of the Clones	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2005	Revenge of the Sith	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2008	Crystal Skull	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2013	Book Thief	Disney	Sony	Intrada
2017	The Post	Disney	Sony	Intrada
1997	Amistad	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2002	Catch Me If You Can	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2004	The Terminal	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2005	Memoirs of a Geisha	Dreamworks	Sony	LLL, Intrada
2005	War of the Worlds	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2005	Munich	Dreamworks	UME	LLL, Intrada
2011	War Horse	Dreamworks	Sony	LLL, Intrada
2012	Lincoln	Dreamworks	Sony	LLL, Intrada
1971	Fiddler on the Roof	MGM	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1969	The Reivers	Paramount	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1995	Sabrina	Paramount	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1999	Angela's Ashes	Paramount	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
2011	Adventures of Tintin	Paramount	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1963	Diamond Head	Sony	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1991	Hook	Sony	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1997	Seven Years In Tibet	Sony	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1998	Stepmom	Sony	Sony	LLL, Intrada, Varese
2000	The Patriot	Sony	Disney	Intrada
1989	Born On The Fourth Of July	Universal	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1989	Always	Universal	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1987	The Witches Of Eastwick	WB	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1988	The Accidental Tourist	WB	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1990	Presumed Innocent	WB	Varese	Varese
1991	JFK	WB	WMG	LLL, Intrada, Varese
1996	Sleepers	WB	UME	LLL, Intrada, Varese

[crumbs 12390]

Damn, so LLL probably wouldn't get The Patriot due to the Disney factor. Well, fingers crossed Intrada still have a few releases to come this year, would be another missed anniversary otherwise.

[Jay 30099]

Pre-fee increase, unexpanded Williams scores with a -0 or -5 anniversary in 2020:

 

• The Eiger Sanction (45th anniversary, Universal / UME)
• Presumed Innocent (30th anniversary, Warner Brothers / Varese)
• Sabrina (25th anniversary, Paramount / UME)
• Nixon (25th anniversary, Disney / Disney)
• The Patriot (20th anniversary, Sony / Disney)
• War of the Worlds (15th anniversary, Paramount / UME)

[crumbs 12390]

Well if MV's comment about trying to make an anniversary was related to a Williams release, and considering their strong ties with Universal, The Eiger Sanction seems like a shoe-in for October or Black Friday.

 

Don't see much of an appetite for an expanded Sabrina or Presumed Innocent (not to mention the issues labels are now having with management at WB).

[Jay 30099]

They're having issues with Warner Music Group, not Warner Brothers Pictures.  There's no relation between the two entities

 

Oops! I  flip-flopped this, is is Warner Pictures that is the issue, not Warner Music.  Apologies.

 

~

 

2021 anniversaries:

 

• Fiddler on the Roof (50th anniversary, MGM / UME)
• SpaceCamp (35th anniversary, Disney / Sony)
• JFK (30th anniversary, Warner Bros / WMG)
• Hook (30th anniversary, Sony / Sony)
• Sleepers (25th anniversary, Warner Bros / UME)

[crumbs 12390]

33 minutes ago, Jay said:

They're having issues with Warner Music Group, not Warner Brothers Pictures.  There's no relation between the two entities

 

Thanks for clarifying. Still doubt there's an expansion for Presumed Innocent in the works though (don't have the faintest idea what's unreleased) but I guess Varese would be happy to expand any Williams scores they partially own.

 

If Warner Music Group are being problematic, that puts HP4 and HP5 on ice as their OSTs belong to Warner Brothers Records (parent company is Warner Music Group).

 

Ironically HP6/HP7/HP8 wouldn't be an issue as those OSTs belong to WaterTower music, which isn't a subsidiary of WMG (thus theoretically easier to license). So a Desplat box isn't out of the question, even if it means skipping the scores in between.

[Jay 30099]

On 9/4/2020 at 10:39 AM, crumbs said:

If Warner Music Group are being problematic, that puts HP4 and HP5 on ice for the foreseeable future, as their OSTs belong to Warner Brothers Records whose parent company is Warner Music Group. Ironically HP6/HP7/HP8 wouldn't be an issue, as those OSTs belong to WaterTower music, which isn't a subsidiary of WMG (thus theoretically easier to license).

 

Exactly right!

 

 

 

Also, I don't think any issues they are having are permanent, just temporary.

 

Sony Music briefly cut off licensing, but MV has said they are back in now.

 

WMG and UME have been very slow, but not closed off entirely.  From UME, we just got Casper and Swashbuckler in the past few months.  From WMG, other than the Harry Potter box BF 2018, Superman a few months later, and Towering Inferno BF 2019, I can't think off the top of my head of anything else from other composers in the past year or so, but I'm sure they've been some

 

Regardless, after covid, things should return to normal at all these places.  I think Sony Pictures has been closed for any licensing since it started and hasn't reopened yet, for example

[Arpy 4059]

So it's just jumping and shouting, trying to get a hold of Disney? I guess this is a problem when hugecorporations like Disney buy everything else up, instead of communicating with them, they will initiate discussions at their convenience.

[crumbs 12390]

8 minutes ago, Jay said:

Sony Music was briefly cut off, but MV has said they are back in now.

 

They still have those 2 mystery titles as well, which were first mentioned well over a year ago (before there was any hint of issues with Sony). Seems like those have been in development for an unusually long time.

 

A 30th Anniversary expansion for Hook seems like such a no-brainer, Not sure what's stopping them from re-releasing that score under Mike's supervision (other than cost; they said the initial release was extremely expensive IIRC). If what they said about the vaulted unreleased music is true, maybe it's just a licensing nightmare.

[Jay 30099]

1 hour ago, Arpy said:

So it's just jumping and shouting, trying to get a hold of Disney? I guess this is a problem when hugecorporations like Disney buy everything else up, instead of communicating with them, they will initiate discussions at their convenience.

 

Intrada Records has worked with Disney a ton and put out plenty of scores they control - Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend, Black Hole, Hocus Pocus, Night Crossing, A Far Off Place, Return to Oz, Secret of NIMH, The Rocketeer, Dick Tracy, Alive, etc.  

 

It's certainly plausible they could get to do Nixon and SpaceCamp.  The Patriot, I dunno if that would have to be Intrada, or could be anybody, since Disney only controls the OST album, and Sony Pictures controls all the rest of the music; They'd basically just have to sign paperwork to make the release happen, they don't have to go dig for and transfer any elements or anything

 

The SW and Indy scores will come out on Disney Records in completely form eventually, surely!  We must believe!

 

 

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

They still have those 2 mystery titles as well, which were first mentioned well over a year ago (before there was any hint of issues with Sony). Seems like those have been in development for an unusually long time.

 

They were'nt mentioned BEFORE there was a hint of issues with Sony, they were mentioned BECAUSE there was issues with Sony. Here is the source on JWFan: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/29227-sony-music-no-longer-dealing-with-soundtrack-labels-update-la-la-land-is-back-in/ or the original source on FSM: https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=116&threadID=118900&archive=0

 

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A 30th Anniversary expansion for Hook seems like such a no-brainer, Not sure what's stopping them from re-releasing that score under Mike's supervision (other than cost; they said the initial release was extremely expensive IIRC). If what they said about the vaulted unreleased music is true, maybe it's just a licensing nightmare.

 

I guess the same things that hold up any other releases: elements or approvals.  In the case of Hook, if those missing reels are still missing, maybe they don't consider a new version worth doing until they are found?  As for approvals, if they found any of the song demos or anything, they'd have to track down the names of any vocal performers and see if they are under contract with anyone that would need to approve.  Plus, all Spielberg films need to be approved by him, and not just by JW; and he's been pretty busy.  Of course, he did allow a bunch of really weird deleted scenes on the latest Hook blu, so that gives me hope.  But then again, maybe he wouldn't want a release of a musical-ish film score he seems to generally feel ashamed of, when West Side Story is imminent.  Luckily by the end of 2021, the actual 30th anniversary of Hook (it opened December 11 1991), West Side Story should be old news...

[Jay 30099]

I looked up which film scores that had an OST album on the Hollywood Records label (the label that released The Patriot OST) and have gotten an expansion from the specialty labels, and this is what I found:

 

• JNH's Alive (Intrada)
• Goldsmith's The Ghost and the Darkness (Intrada)
• Zimmer's MIssion: Impossible II (Mondo - LP only)
• Newman's Operation Dumbo Drop (Intrada)
• Goldsmith's Powder (Intrada)
• Horner's The Rocketeer (Intrada)

 

So it looks like other than the weird Mondo exception, it's gonna be Intrada for The Patriot.

 

Can you imagine, though, if Mondo releases a Patriot expansion on vinyl only? 

 

I don't think it's possible, because I don't think Williams allows anyone except Mike to work on his scores, and I don't know if Mike would do Patriot for Mondo without securing rights for Intrada to do a simultaneous CD version, but stranger things have happened.....

[crumbs 12390]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

As for approvals, if they found any of the song demos or anything, they'd have to track down the names of any vocal performers and see if they are under contract with anyone that would need to approve.

 

Sadly they never elaborated on why that material couldn't be released the first time (we can guess, could be a multitude of reasons) but I suspect they wouldn't bother re-releasing the score unless they were able to get all the material out there and do it comprehensively (especially when fans already purchased that flawed release). They probably want to ensure any subsequent release is worth the second purchase. 

[Jay 30099]

That's Mike's philosophy for any score he works on: Make all prior releases (and bootlegs) irrelevant so the new one is the only edition you need.  Sometimes they have to make sacrifices to fit in the 80 minute runtime, sometimes a composer might reject the inclusion of something he would like to include, but that seems to be the goal he strives for

[Jay 30099]

I cleaned up the main post to put OST licenses that have expired into their own section

 

And I also had 20th Century Records in the wrong spot!

 

And I also added Heidi and Jane Eyre!

[Jay 30099]

Here's a simplified list of the remaining expansions / premieres

 

There was no OST album

• 1958 Daddy-O
• 1960 I Passed For White
• 1960 Because They're Young
• 1961 The Secret Ways
• 1963 Gidget Goes To Rome
• 1964 The Killers
• 1966 The Rare Breed
• 1966 The Plainsman
• 1969 Daddy's Gone A-Hunting
• 1970 Storia di una donna (Story of a Woman)
• 1972 The Screaming Woman
• 1972 Images
• 1973 The Paper Chase
• 1974 Conrack
• 1974 The Sugarland Express

Disney

• 1977 Star Wars
• 1980 The Empire Strikes Back
• 1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark
• 1983 Return of the Jedi
• 1984 Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
• 1989 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
• 1995 Nixon
• 1999 The Phantom Menace
• 2000 The Patriot {Sony Pictures controls the music that wasn't on the OST}
• 2002 Attack of the Clones
• 2005 Revenge of the Sith
• 2008 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
• 2015 Star Wars: The Force Awakens
• 2016 The BFG
• 2017 Star Wars: The Last Jedi
• 2019 Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

Sony Music

• 1969 The Reivers
• 1986 SpaceCamp
• 1991 Hook
• 1997 Seven Years In Tibet
• 1998 Stepmom
• 1999 Angela's Ashes
• 2005 Memoirs Of A Geisha
• 2011 The Adventures of Tintin
• 2011 War Horse
• 2012 Lincoln
• 2013 The Book Thief
• 2017 The Post

Universal Music Enterprises

• 1967 Valley of the Dolls
• 1968 Heidi
• 1970 Jane Eyre
• 1971 Fiddler On The Roof
• 1973 Cinderella Liberty
• 1975 The Eiger Sanction
• 1989 Born On The Fourth Of July
• 1989 Always
• 1995 Sabrina
• 1996 Sleepers
• 1997 Amistad
• 2002 Catch Me If You Can
• 2004 The Terminal
• 2005 War of the Worlds
• 2005 Munich

Warner Music Group

• 1963 Diamond Head
• 1987 The Witches Of Eastwick
• 1988 The Accidental Tourist
• 1991 JFK

Varèse Sarabande

• 1990 Presumed Innocent

 

Man there's still soooooo many JW scores to revisit!  The man sure was prolific......

[Bayesian 964]

These lists are terrific references to have. Makes it so much easier to track what might be coming and when. Thanks for putting them together, @Jay!

[Jay 30099]

Crossed War of the Worlds off the list

[Dr. Rick 921]

On 9/4/2020 at 9:01 AM, Jay said:

Pre-fee increase, unexpanded Williams scores with a -0 or -5 anniversary in 2020:

 

• The Eiger Sanction (45th anniversary, Universal / UME)
• SpaceCamp (35th anniversary, Disney / Sony)
• Presumed Innocent (30th anniversary, Warner Brothers / Varese)
• Sabrina (25th anniversary, Paramount / UME)
• Nixon (25th anniversary, Disney / Disney)
• The Patriot (20th anniversary, Sony / Disney)

 

Really @Jay ?   Was this intentional to leave WOTW off at the time to throw us off the trail?   

 

I thought it was completed just before the cut-off date?  

[Jay 30099]

Wow weird! I dunno how I managed to forget that one when making that post, nor how nobody else noticed I forgot it either.  Fixed now!

Yea, it was recorded before the cutoff -  The film opened June 23, and Mike's post says the cutoff date is is July 3rd

 

[Dr. Rick 921]

Close, but it says 25th anniversary  

 

1991

Hook

Sony

Sony

LLL, Intrada, Varese

 

How weird would it be to have a potential Hook re-release go through Intrada or Varese?  I know it's happened before with HA2 and The Fury, but IMHO there's nobody better at artwork than Jim Titus, he definitely puts his heart and soul into these releases and it shows!

[Jay 30099]

Typo fixed and I agree, Jim Titus is the best in the business - and it's not even close

 

I was very happy he got to do the artwork for Varese's Dracula set!

[Dr. Rick 921]

Oh that's right!  Forgot about his involvement in Dracula.  The packaging for that release was exceptional.

[Jay 30099]

Yea I loved those old drawings from Edward Gorey!

[Dr. Rick 921]

Where's the SW:ST?

 

Year	Film	Film Studio	Music Label	Potential Label
1967	Valley of the Dolls	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1973	Cinderella Liberty	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1977	Star Wars	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1980	Empire Strikes Back	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1981	Raiders of the Lost Ark	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1983	Return of the Jedi	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1984	Temple of Doom	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1989	Last Crusade	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
1995	Nixon	Disney	Disney	Intrada
1999	Phantom Menace	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2000	The Patriot	Sony	Disney	Intrada
2002	Attack of the Clones	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2005	Revenge of the Sith	Disney	Disney	Disney Records
2008	Crystal Skull	Disney	Disney	Disney Records

[Jay 30099]

Huh, must have been an oversight.  The BFG is also missing from that post.

 

Obviously, those can only be expanded by Disney Records themselves

[Jay 30099]

I cleaned up a few mistakes / misinformation in various posts, should be all correct info posted by me now.

[E-Wan 56]

Arista Records

• 1990 Home Alone (La-La Land 2015)

Jay, IMHO Arista Records released the song album, not John Williams' score which was released by CBS Records.

 

Dreamworks Records

• 2004 The Terminal
• 2005 War of the Worlds (Intrada 2020)
• 2005 Munich

Jay, in fact these 3 soundtracks have been released by Decca Records, not Dreamworks Records.

[Jay 30099]

On 05/10/2020 at 2:50 PM, E-Wan said:

Arista Records

• 1990 Home Alone (La-La Land 2015)

Jay, IMHO Arista Records released the song album, not John Williams' score which was released by CBS Records.

 

Absolutely right!  Fixed!

 

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Dreamworks Records

• 2004 The Terminal
• 2005 War of the Worlds (Intrada 2020)
• 2005 Munich

Jay, in fact these 3 soundtracks have been released by Decca Records, not Dreamworks Records.

 

Internationally, sure.  In the USA, they are Dreamworks Records.

[E-Wan 56]

10 minutes ago, Jay said:

Internationally, sure.  In the USA, they are Dreamworks Records.

 

Really? According to the following sources all U.S. versions were released by Decca Records too.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_discography

 

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/65585/Terminal%2C+The

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/69722/War+Of+The+Worlds

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/73506/Munich

 

Only FYC promos for The Terminal and Munich were released by DreamWorks.

 

[Jay 30099]

Hmmm I'll have to double check my CDs at home, then!  I was looking at them this weekend for something and I remember the Dreamworks Records logo clear as day on Amistad, Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report, and Catch Me If You Can.... but now I can't remember precisely what Terminal WOTW, and Munich said!  I'll double check when I get home

 

EDIT: Wikipedia says UMG bought Dreamworks Records in 2003, so maybe the titles released after that point still had the Dreamworks Records logo on them, but they were not distributed by UMG/Decca and got Decca catalog numbers

[E-Wan 56]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

Hmmm I'll have to double check my CDs at home, then!  I was looking at them this weekend for something and I remember the Dreamworks Records logo clear as day on Amistad, Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report, and Catch Me If You Can.... but now I can't remember precisely what Terminal WOTW, and Munich said!  I'll double check when I get home

 

EDIT: Wikipedia says UMG bought Dreamworks Records in 2003, so maybe the titles released after that point still had the Dreamworks Records logo on them, but they were not distributed by UMG/Decca and got Decca catalog numbers

 

Yes, I think this is the reason why Amistad, Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can are Dreamworks Records releases and The Terminal, War of the Worlds and Munich are not.

[Jay 30099]

Makes sense to me!

 

All fixed up.

[E-Wan 56]

Jay, in the long main list Angela's Ashes is Sony Music release but in the simplified list it is Universal Music Group release.

What is right?

[Jay 30099]

Curiously, that OST album was Sony Classical (SME) in the US, but Decca (UMG) in every other territory.

I assume Sony Music will be the entity that matters, but that's probably why I got mixed up above.  I fixed it so it's Sony in both places now.

[Jay 30099]

Crossed Always off the list.

 

The Eiger Sanction and Born on the Fourth of July is all that remains at MCA Records to be expanded!

[Jay 30099]

Added a note about the Quartet release of Images.

I waffled on crossing it out, because it got the MM and JW-approved treatment now, or leaving it un-crossed out, because it's not expanded.  I decided on the latter but could have gone either way.

[Jay 30099]

Crossed The Eiger Sanction off the list.

 

Born On The Fourth Of July is the only remaining score with an MCA Records contract that hasn't been expanded!

[crumbs 12390]

On 03/09/2020 at 5:01 PM, Jay said:

MCA Records

• 1974 Earthquake (La-La Land 2019)
• 1975 The Eiger Sanction (Intrada 2021)
• 1975 Jaws (Intrada 2015)
• 1978 Jaws 2 (Intrada 2015)
• 1979 Dracula (Varese 2018)
• 1982 E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (La-La Land 2017)
• 1984 The River (Intrada 2020)
• 1989 Born On The Fourth Of July
• 1989 Always (La-La Land 2021)
• 1992 Far And Away (La-La Land 2020)
• 1993 Jurassic Park (La-La Land 2016)
• 1993 Schindler's List (La-La Land 2018)
• 1997 The Lost World (La-La Land 2016)

 

BOT4J looking a bit lonely here... 

 

Is there no major appetite for an expansion of this score, due to the repetition of the main theme? 

 

On 03/09/2020 at 5:01 PM, Jay said:

Universal

• 1961 The Secret Ways {there was no OST album}
• 1964 The Killers {there was no OST album}
• 1966 The Rare Breed {there was no OST album}
• 1966 The Plainsman {there was no OST album}
• 1970 Storia di una donna (Story of a Woman) {there was no OST album}
• 1972 The Screaming Woman {there was no OST album}
• 1972 Pete 'n' Tillie (Varese 2017) {there was no OST album}
• 1974 The Sugarland Express {there was no OST album}

 

Wow that's a big chunk of unreleased Universal scores. 

 

I wonder if LLL could pitch a Williams At Universal collection, in the same vein as their Goldsmith At 20th series? Bundling the shorter scores together might make for a more satisfying album, if JW doesn't think each score deserves a standalone release.

 

All these years later we're yet to hear if Mike was successful in his pitch to JW about releasing Sugarland... and he's probably the only man on earth who can convince him. 

[GerateWohl 2368]

I really really liked the BOT4J OST with the songs. And it works much better than with the JFK OST where permanently songs and score change. But for both a score only relase would be very welcome.

[Dr. Rick 921]

My opinion of Always changed dramatically once the LLL expansion came out since the pop songs were no longer part of the disc program, hope the same rings true with BOTFOJ

[May the Force be with You 1920]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

he's probably the only man on earth who can convince him. 

Maybe I could alas I can't reach him

[Jay 30099]

I'd buy a JW at Universal collection!  One big box or separate releases, just get out what's preserved!

[crumbs 12390]

13 hours ago, Jay said:

I'd buy a JW at Universal collection!  One big box or separate releases, just get out what's preserved!

 

No new information here but I reviewed the Disaster Box podcast (circa December 2019) and these were the key points:

• Mike said he doesn't know if elements still exist for The Secret Ways (surprised nobody went looking back in the FSM days?)
• The Rare Breed and Story of a Woman have both been transferred, and Intrada was planning to release both scores (not sure if they secured a licence from Universal?) but when they approached Williams he said no.
• The Sugarland Express has also been archived and was "good material." Apparently it was "presented to him" but he again said no. Not sure if that means an album was assembled, or if he was just asked about doing it.
• Valley of the Dolls has been transferred but the tapes were in very poor shape and considered unusable a few years back due to WOW, but improvements in sound restoration software mean it could be fixed now. Mike mentioned waiting until the dust settled with Disney/Fox before approaching them about a license for this.

He also mentioned there were other unreleased Universal titles being looked at and he wasn't kidding! Since that interview we've had expansions for The River, Far & Away, Always and The Eiger Sanction. So things are quite fruitful with Universal at the moment...

 

JW does seem to like the box sets though. Perhaps if he feels a standalone release for Sugarland is unsubstantial, he might be agreeable to a collection of similarly short scores from his early Universal career.

[BrotherSound 1761]

On 10/11/2021 at 9:38 AM, crumbs said:

BOT4J looking a bit lonely here... 

 

Is there no major appetite for an expansion of this score, due to the repetition of the main theme? 

It’s not just that the themes repeat, it’s that many of the repetitions are note-for-note the same, down to even reusing multiple full score pages for large sections of some cues.

It would certainly be the least interesting expansion of the Oliver Stone scores, not that I wouldn’t snatch it up anyway!

[Jay 30099]

Much like I just did in the By Film Studio thread, here's the unexpanded/unreleased, pre-AFM rate increase scores only, by Music Label!

 

Disney Records

1. 1977 Star Wars
2. 1980 The Empire Strikes Back
3. 1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark
4. 1983 Return of the Jedi
5. 1984 Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
6. 1989 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
7. 1995 Nixon
8. 1999 The Phantom Menace
9. 2000 The Patriot
10. 2002 Attack of the Clones
11. 2005 Revenge of the Sith

Sony Music Entertainment

1. 1969 The Reivers
2. 1986 SpaceCamp
3. 1991 Hook
4. 1997 Seven Years In Tibet
5. 1998 Stepmom
6. 1999 Angela's Ashes

Universal Music Group

1. 1967 Valley of the Dolls
2. 1973 Cinderella Liberty
3. 1968 Heidi
4. 1970 Jane Eyre
5. 1971 Fiddler On The Roof
6. 1989 Born On The Fourth Of July
7. 1995 Sabrina
8. 1996 Sleepers
9. 1997 Amistad
10. 2002 Catch Me If You Can
11. 2004 The Terminal

Warner Music Group

1. 1963 Diamond Head
2. 1987 The Witches Of Eastwick
3. 1988 The Accidental Tourist
4. 1991 JFK

Varèse Sarabande

1. 1990 Presumed Innocent

There is no music label (the film studio owns all the rights)

1. 1958 Daddy-O (Sony)
2. 1960 I Passed For White (Paramount)
3. 1960 Because They're Young (Sony)
4. 1961 The Secret Ways (Universal)
5. 1963 Gidget Goes To Rome (Sony)
6. 1964 The Killers (Universal)
7. 1966 The Rare Breed (Universal)
8. 1966 The Plainsman (Universal)
9. 1969 Daddy's Gone A-Hunting (Warner Brothers)
10. 1970 Storia di una donna (Story of a Woman) (Universal)
11. 1972 The Screaming Woman (Universal)
12. 1973 The Paper Chase (20th Century Studios)
13. 1974 Conrack (20th Century Studios)
14. 1974 The Sugarland Express (Universal)

[Jay 30099]

Crossed Fiddler on the Roof off the list

[Jay 30099]

Crossed SpaceCamp off the list

[Jay 30099]

Crossed Presumed Innocent off the list