Daniel Pemberton's ENOLA HOLMES (2020) + ENOLA HOLMES 2 (2022)

[Jay 37,363]

I don't like it - at all!

 

The original is great

[mstrox 6,651]

I’m agnostic to them both.  The original one sounds like something you’d hear in an Old Navy commercial or something.

[Jay 37,363]

One of Jet's best songs is their one from Spider-man 2

 

 

[Jay 37,363]

 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Picking up from earlier in the thread, it's illegal to post about "Are You Gonna Be My Girl" without also posting Iggy Pop's "Lust for Life."  Iggy Pop >>>>> whoever the dolts in Jet are

 

 

[Jay 37,363]

Wow the new poster is absolutely terrible

 

[JNHFan2000 2,961]

Sam Claflin is not back? I quite liked him as Mycroft

[TheUlyssesian 2,478]

The trailer actually features Pemberton's mystery theme quite prominently. Great choice!

 

I bet this will be one of the best scores of the year - if he doesn't abandon his themes.

[mstrox 6,651]

11 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

Picking up from earlier in the thread, it's illegal to post about "Are You Gonna Be My Girl" without also posting Iggy Pop's "Lust for Life."  Iggy Pop >>>>> whoever the dolts in Jet are

 

 

Man, those two Pop/Bowie albums are terrific.

[Jay 37,363]

Here's a clip from the film, dunno if it has any Pemberton score in it or not

 

 

[Jay 37,363]

Yikes, I thought the last poster was bad!

 

[JNHFan2000 2,961]

Album details revealed. Release next friday.

 

http://filmmusicreporter.com/2022/10/25/enola-holmes-2-soundtrack-album-details/

[Jay 37,363]

Physical CD coming Friday November 18

 

https://www.swiatksiazki.pl/enola-holmes-2-music-from-the-netflix-film-6933893-muzyka.html

[Richard Penna 3,688]

I've got the first one on CD for reasons I don't entirely remember - must've been cheaper than a download.

[JNHFan2000 2,961]

I love this. If the whole score is as much fun as the first it will be one of my scores of the year.

Also quite lookimg forward to the film this friday.

 

 

 

[Knight of Ren 789]

That track sound amazing! I really love the score for the first one and I cannot wait to hear the new one on Friday.

 

I was revisiting the score for the first film and was compelled to do a small suite of some of the highlights, trying to properly represent at least the different main themes from the movie (Enola, Mystery, Love, Mother-Daughter). It's a great way to refresh the original score while we wait for the new one. I hope you enjoy it!

 

[Richard Penna 3,688]

Given that I haven't seen BCS yet, this might just be the trigger I need to sign up for a month of Netflix.

[Jay 37,363]

Thanks for making that suite, @Knight of Ren! That got me into the score more than the couple few times I listened to the OST two years ago. Now I'm definitely interested in hearing the sequel score on Friday! 

[Knight of Ren 789]

Glad you enjoyed it! I definitely recommend checking out the score in full, since there are some great variations on the themes that I had to leave out of the suite. And the thematic analysis @TheUlyssesian did is really helpful to appreciate the score even more!

 

 

I hope in the sequel we get to hear some new variations on all the themes, but I particularly want Pemberton to expand on the Tewkesbury / Love theme and the Mother-Daughter theme, since they weren't featured as much as I would have liked to in the first score, and they're both such great themes!

[Jay 37,363]

The OST album is out where it's Friday already

 

https://music.apple.com/nz/album/enola-holmes-2-music-from-the-netflix-film/1651638170

[JNHFan2000 2,961]

Saw the film, thought it was a lot of fun.

Milloe Bobby Brown is very good and funny. As is Cavill, he makes a very good Sherlock. Still wish Helena Bonham Carter was in it more, she's so good.

The rest of the cast is also a joy to watch.

There are some great characters and moments from the Holmes books/films with a clever twist that really worked well. I really enjoyed it.

 

Slight spoilers about the film.

Spoiler

I loved the way that Moriarty was handled in this film. It was very different but I thought it was dealt with really well.

 

And I also thought it was wonderful in the way the film was intertwined with something that really happened and with a person that really excisted. Made it even better I felt.

 

And the final scene with Watson visiting Sherlock was great. And great to see Himish Patel. I would watch a fiom with them as Holmes & Watson

 

The music, again is terrific. Not sure yet if I feel it's better then the first score, but there are some wonderful moments.

I love the parts where an organ and bigfer choir are used. And the dance pieces are also wonderful.

All the themes are reprised. Enola's theme & the love theme get the best new statements. Great stuff.

 

There are some reprises of music from the first film not on the album.

• A small reprise of "Dressing Up Box".
• An action scene based on music heard in "Fight Combat".
• Some statements of the Mystery theme, but these are mostly plain statements.
• A lovely statement of the Mother theme.

 

 

Album is also not chronological, so see the right order below.

 

Spoiler

1. Stop That Girl!
2. The Enola Holmes Detective Agency
3. Find Your Path
4. To Shadwell
5. Lyon's Match Factory
6. A Loose Thread
7. Mysterious Follower
8. 221b Baker Street
9. The Game Has Found Its Feet (Again)
10. Bell Lane, Whitechapel
11. The Merry Dance
12. The Threads Intertwine
13. Chaperone Waltz
14. Le Langage De La Danse
15. Dancing Lessons
16. The Last Dance
17. Quite A Party
18. Deductions
19. Carriage Chase
20. Grail On Horseback
21. Sweet William
22. Blackmail
23. Enola And Tewkesbury
24. The Truth Of The Gods
25. Stage Fight
26. The Curtain Falls
27. Up In Flames
28. The Only Power We Have
29. Enola Holmes (One Flame To Start A Fire)

 

[Svarec 3]

Just listening to Enola Holmes 2 score for the second time and it's absolutely marvelous. Exactly as I hoped for. I would say at least around 2/3 of the tracks are some kind of variation on the three main themes (Enola theme, "mystery" theme, and Enola+Tewkesbury theme), but Pemberton does it so well it's never boring.

 

Bad Guys, See How They Run, Amsterdam and Enola Holmes are all excellent score, what a year for Pemberton.

[Jay 37,363]

Well we re-watched the original film tonight.

 

I did not like it when it came out 2 years ago, but ended up interested in the score and its sequel score enough to want to see the new film, which made me want to revisit the first film before doing so.  It was a good thing we did, too, because I had barely remembered anything about the film at all in the 2 years (common for a lot of early pandemic content, I've found).

 

I liked the film much more this time than I did then!  Boy, it really rubbed me the wrong way the initial viewing, or maybe I was just in a bad mood or something.  It didn't annoy me at all this time, it was a nice easy watch.  I don't think it's great by any means, but it's perfectly fine.  Really sets up a potential for a good series if they can focus on what worked best and pivot away from what didn't as they go on.

 

The biggest problem that the film has, is its weird and abrupt focus-shift.  The film starts being about finding her mom, then she stumbles into the case of the missing marquis and chooses to focus on that, which is fine, but the mother subplot doesn't just become background noise.... it is all but dropped entirely, until suddenly returning in the final few minutes after everything else is wrapped up.  But what's worse, is that her disappearance isn't really ever explained!  It's clear from the clues and the meeting in the house that she was plotting some sort of bombing with a bunch of other women, and Enola even finds the bombs halfway through the movie...but the movie ends without explaining what she was up to.  It seems like it would have been so easy to tie it into the marquis story by saying she was going to bomb a place where a bunch of people that were going to vote against the reform bill were going to be, but.. nothing is explained.  Unless I missed it??

 

Anyway, what was really nice about this viewing was I had just listened to the sequel's score album Friday, as well as that suite from the first film up above, and on this viewing it was quite easy to pick up on what Pemberton was doing with all the themes.  The so-called "Mystery Theme" (is that Pemberton's name, or @TheUlyssesian's ?) is wonderful in all its different guises, and really gets to shine in key moments in the film.  Enola's theme does too, and the love theme is pretty decent too - definitely feels like something that could be expanded on in sequels as the two get older.  The remaining themes aren't as bold and noticeable, though the mother/daughter theme is nice enough when its used.

 

We'll probably watch the sequel film tomorrow.

 

I'm listening to the OST album for the first film now following along with this great post, and it's really enriching my listen!
 

On 10/10/2020 at 2:43 PM, TheUlyssesian said:

So this is my first attempt at a thematic analysis for Enola Holmes. Please correct me or propose additions in case I have missed anything. I actually think there are still other small motifs in the score. 

 

After doing this analysis, I actually think this might be the best score of the year.

 

Themes & Motifs

 

1. Mystery Theme - De facto main theme of the film in its normal guise and specially the more prevalent adventure theme. You can tell DP thinks this is the most important theme as this is the first theme you hear - over the logos before the main title. The regular mystery theme is a slightly slower and more fully articulated version of this theme. Check out the piano solo rendition in An Old Friend.

01 Enola Holmes 0:16 - 0:31

06 Train Escape 1:53 - 2:01

13 The Limehouse Puzzle 1:36 - End

17 Basilwether Hall 0:26 - 0:57

24 For England 0:00 - 0:35

27 An Old Friend 0:00 - End (piano solo)

28 Mother 0:32 - 0:59

 

2. Enola's Theme - The title theme, very good and memorable. Used sparingly but always with great impact. For example Fields of London really stands out as it is used for a scene transition. The fullest versions are the main title and end credits in the first and lack tracks respectively.

01 Enola Holmes 0:32 - 2:38

03 Mycroft & Sherlock Holmes 0:00 - End

09 Fields of London 0:00 - End

22 School Escape 0:00 - 1:07

25 Ha! 0:00 - End  (De-constructed variation?)

29 Enola Holmes (The Future Is Up to Us) 0:00 - End

 

3. Mystery Theme (Discovery) - Used just twice, it is the mystery theme over a bed or swirling figures denoting a sense of discovery.

02 Gifts from Mother 0:00 - End

14 Limehouse Lane 0:00 - 1:10

 

4. Eudoria's Motif - A haunted solo vocal voice that denotes a sense of loss and is slightly spooky but also sad as it represents Eudoria who isn't here any more. This might be a vocal version of the Mystery theme or the same theme as the Mother-Daughter theme also featured on solo voice later on. Best expressions are identification renditions in Gifts from Mother and Limehouse Lane.

02 Gifts from Mother 0:35 - 0:49

14 Limehouse Lane 0:38 - 0:52

14 Limehouse Lane 2:18 - End

24 For England 0:36 - 0:58

 

5. Mystery Theme (Adventure) - The most prevalent theme - it is the bouncy strident action theme of the score and has a great sense of propulsion and drive. This is different in the sense that it uses the first notes of the mystery theme in a different rhythm and then does its own thing. The Game is afoot has a nice rendition with it exploding into the full orchestra at the end. London Arrival also goes through the many contours of this theme. The first rendition in the Enola and Tewkesbury is also memorable and could be its own theme.

04 Cracking The Chrysanthemums Cypher 0:00 - 1:42

05 The Game Is Afoot 0:00 - End

10 London Arrival 0:00 - End

15 Fight Combat 0:00 - 0:08

15 Fight Combat 2:59 - End

18 Forest Clues 0:39 - 1:10

18 Forest Clues 1:49 - End

22 School Escape 1:31 - End

26 Enola & Tewkesbury Farewell 0:47 - 1:22

26 Enola & Tewkesbury Farewell 2:23 - End

 

6. Decision Motif - A superb idea by DP and very very effective. Instead of repeating Enola's Theme all the time, every time Enola makes a big decision, this motif bursts forth to great effect. And because Enola makes big decisions in big moments, several important scenes feature this motif. Watch out for the standout rendition in Escaping Lestrade where it takes on a monumental gravity. Is it the organ I hear there? But a great motif and since Enola's theme is very light and peppy, this works very well for all the big moments. 

04 Cracking The Chrysanthemums Cypher 1:42 - End

06 Train Escape 2:31 - End

13 The Limehouse Puzzle 0:43 - 1:14

15 Fight Combat 1:06 - 1:15

20 Escaping Lestrade 0:00 - 1:23

22 School Escape 1:08 - 1:30

26 Enola & Tewkesbury Farewell 2:03 - 2:22

 

7. Tewkesbury’s Theme/Love Theme - An outstanding swoony theme for the budding romance between Tewesbury and Enola. He's basically the love interest so its fitting he got a theme like this. It is a romantic theme but not necessarily overtly feminine, it has a dreamy masculine edge too so works quite well for the character. The first rendition in Marquis is the best one. In the sequels, this theme has a lot of promise for development. 

08 Marquis 0:00 - End

19 Tewkesbury’s Trail 0:00 - End

24 For England 1:37 - 2:02

26 Enola & Tewkesbury Farewell 0:00 - 0:46

 

8. Linthorn's Theme - A complex theme of a percussion and pulsing brass with scary flute figures. This is a good churning villain theme for the henchman pursuing Teweksbury. Maybe a bit Gia-esque. 

14 Limehouse Lane 1:14 - End

15 Fight Combat 1:20 - 2:35

23 Tick Tock 0:42 - 3:10

 

9. Mother-Daughter Theme - A solo voice theme for Enola's relationship with her mother and her memory. Best heard in the track Mother. That track is so good that it is used twice - also tracked earlier in the film where Sherlock comes to meet Enola at the girls' school.

21 Making a Lady 2:19 - 2:51

23 Tick Tock 3:11 - End

24 For England 1:00 - 1:26

28 Mother 1:00 - End

 

Track by Track Analysis

 

01 Enola Holmes
0:16 - 0:31 Mystery Theme
0:32 - 2:38 Enola's Theme

 

02 Gifts from Mother
0:00 - End Mystery Theme (Discovery)
0:35 - 0:49 Eudoria's Motif

 

03 Mycroft & Sherlock Holmes
0:00 - End Enola's Theme

 

04 Cracking The Chrysanthemums Cypher
0:00 - 1:42 Mystery Theme (Adventure)
1:42 - End Decision Motif
 

05 The Game Is Afoot
0:00 - End Mystery Theme (Adventure)

 

06 Train Escape
1:53 - 2:01 Mystery Theme
2:31 - End Decision Motif

 

07 Nincompoop
Standalone cue

 

08 Marquis
0:00 - End Tewkesbury’s Theme/Love Theme

 

09 Fields of London
0:00 - End Enola's Theme

 

10 London Arrival
0:00 - End Mystery Theme (Adventure)

 

11 Dressing Up Box
Great standalone cue

 

12 Messages for Mother
Great standalone cue

 

13 The Limehouse Puzzle
0:43 - 1:14 Decision Motif
1:36 - End Mystery Theme

 

14 Limehouse Lane
0:00 - 1:10 Mystery Theme (Discovery)
0:38 - 0:52 Eudoria's Motif
1:14 - End Linthorn's Theme
2:18 - End Eudoria's Motif

 

15 Fight Combat
0:00 - 0:08 Mystery Theme (Adventure)
1:06 - 1:15 Decision Motif
1:20 - 2:35 Linthorn's Theme
2:59 - End Mystery Theme (Adventure)

 

16 Edge of a Cliff
Standalone cue

 

17 Basilwether Hall
0:26 - 0:57 Mystery Theme

 

18 Forest Clues
0:39 - 1:10 Mystery Theme (Adventure)
1:49 - End Mystery Theme (Adventure)

 

19 Tewkesbury’s Trail
0:00 - End Tewkesbury’s Theme/Love Theme

 

20 Escaping Lestrade
0:00 - 1:23 Decision Motif

 

21 Making a Lady
2:19 - 2:51 Mother-Daughter Theme 

 

22 School Escape
0:00 - 1:07 Enola's Theme
1:08 - 1:30 Decision Motif
1:31 - End Mystery Theme (Adventure)

 

23 Tick Tock
0:42 - 3:10 Linthorn's Theme
3:11 - End Mother-Daughter Theme

 

24 For England
0:00 - 0:35 Mystery Theme
0:36 - 0:58 Eudoria's Motif
1:00 - 1:26 Mother-Daughter Theme
1:37 - 2:02 Tewkesbury’s Theme/Love Theme

 

25 Ha!
0:00 - End Enola's Theme (Variant)

 

26 Enola & Tewkesbury Farewell
0:00 - 0:46 Tewkesbury’s Theme/Love Theme
0:47 - 2:02 Mystery Theme (Adventure)
2:03 - 2:22 End Decision Motif
2:23 - End Mystery Theme (Adventure)

 

27 An Old Friend
0:00 - End Mystery Theme

 

28 Mother (Tracked earlier in the film too)
0:32 - 0:59 Mystery Theme
1:00 - End Mother-Daughter Theme

 

29 Enola Holmes (The Future Is Up to Us)
0:00 - End Enola's Theme

[FunnyML 82]

Here is a list of cues from Enola Holmes 2 (the soundtrack is incomplete and uses mostly different titles). Don't know if this list is chronological (the OST isn't):

Spoiler

BTA419 Street Chase
BTA426 Detective Agency Bell - Part 1
BTA427 Change & Progress
BTA428 It's Your Path
BTA429 My Only Family
BTA430 12 March
BTA431 The Match Factory
BTA432 Match Maker Trouble Maker
BTA433 Trailing Through London
BTA434/5 Musical Bonk 1 - Part 1/2
BTA436 Music Hall Tension FX & Hits
BTA447 Musical Bonk 2 - Part 1
BTA448 Flashback: Where Did You Get That Hat?
BTA456 Musical Bonk 2 - Part 2
BTA457 Cash For Answers
BTA458 Mysterious Follower
BTA459 221B                    OST07
BTA460 Enola Explores Baker Street
BTA461 221B Map Sting
BTA462 Bell Lane Cypher
BTA463 The Detective Agency St James Park
BTA464 Discovering Mae
BTA465 2M27 At The Murder Scene
BTA467/8 Murder Scene Escape - Part 1/2
BTA469 Hiding From The Police
BTA470 3M?? The Merry Dance
BTA471 Terrible Violin Melody Fail
BTA472 Investigate The White Lights
BTA473 William Lyons Dark Future
BTA474 Chaperone Waltz
BTA482 Dance Cypher
BTA484 Dancing Lessons
BTA490 William Lyons Dark Dance Card
BTA493 Arrested Allegro
BTA494 4M49 Deductions
BTA495 4M50A Carriage Escape
BTA496 Grail On Horseback
BTA497 One Voice
BTA498 5M53 (A Better Future /) Limehouse Bolt On
BTA499 Under Your Nose
BTA500 Love
BTA501 Matchstick Factory Fight
BTA502 The Dead William Lyons
BTA503 Blackmail
BTA504 Carriage Kiss
BTA505 Finding The Contract
BTA506/7 Night Fight - Part 1/2
BTA508 MacIntire & Troy
BTA509/10 6M67 Up In Flames - Part 1/2
BTA511 Sarah Story
BTA512 Kindest Offer
BTA513 The Merry Dance (Newspaper Sting)
BTA514 Announce To Society
BTA515 Dr. Watson
BTA516 Wild Child Ending
BTA517 Detective Agency Bell ER
BTA518 Dancing Lessons ER

 

[Jay 37,363]

So while I enjoyed listening to the first film's OST album again last night right after seeing the movie, and definitely felt like the OST album covered all the highlights (it must be pretty close to complete, right?), I did have one question.  In the film, there's an upbeat and fun arrangement of the mystery theme in the end credits after where the final OST track ends.  Is that unreleased, or was it just one of the earlier OST tracks?

[TheUlyssesian 2,478]

19 hours ago, Jay said:

Well we re-watched the original film tonight.

 

I did not like it when it came out 2 years ago, but ended up interested in the score and its sequel score enough to want to see the new film, and revisit the first before doing so.  Good thing too, because I had barely remembered anything about the film at all in the 2 years (common for a lot of early pandemic content, I've found).

 

I liked the film much more this time than I did then!  Boy, it really rubbed me the wrong way the initial viewing, or maybe I was just in a bad mood or something.  It didn't annoy me at all this time, it was a nice easy watch.  I don't think it's great by any means, but it's perfectly fine.  Really sets up a potential for a good series if they can focus on what worked best and pivot away from what didn't as they go on.

 

The biggest problem that the film has, is its weird and abrupt focus-shift.  The film starts being about finding her mom, then she stumbles into the case of the missing marquis and chooses to focus on that, which is fine, but the mother subplot doesn't just become background noise.... it is all but dropped entirely, until suddenly returning in the final few minutes after everything else is wrapped up.  But what's worse, is that her disappearance isn't really ever explained!  It's clear from the clues and the meeting in the house that she was plotting some sort of bombing with a bunch of other women, and Enola even finds the bombs halfway through the movie...but the movie ends without explaining what she was up to.  It seems like it would have been so easy to tie it into the marquis story by saying she was going to bomb a place where a bunch of people that were going to vote against the reform bill were going to be, but.. nothing is explained.  Unless I missed it??

 

Anyway, what was really nice about this viewing was I had just listened to the sequel's score album Friday, as well as that suite from the first film up above, and on this viewing it was quite easy to pick up on what Pemberton was doing with all the themes.  The so-called "Mystery Theme" (is that Pemberton's name, or @TheUlyssesian's ?) is wonderful in all its different guises, and really gets to shine in key moments in the film.  Enola's theme does too, and the love theme is pretty decent too - definitely feels like something that could be expanded on in sequels as the two get older.  The remaining themes aren't as bold and noticeable, though the mother/daughter theme is nice enough when its used.

 

We'll probably watch the sequel film tomorrow.

 

I'm listening to the OST album for the first film now following along with this great post, and it's really enriching my listen!
 

 

All theme names were invented by me. We don't know what DP calls them. CC from filmtracks seems to have co-opted the names I created so for better or for worse they seem to have stuck.

[Jay 37,363]

Wow, that's pretty cool!! 

 

And also.... Kind of lame that he didn't give you credit, no? 

[TheUlyssesian 2,478]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Wow, that's pretty cool!! 

 

And also.... Kind of lame that he didn't give you credit, no? 

 

I don't know if CC has every acknowledged the presence of Jwfan. I am sure he must read it. I am sure he draws from lots of posts here while writing his reviews because there is present tense discussion of scores here and his reviews are usually weeks or months late. I don't think I personally merit a credit per se but an acknowledgement of the role this place plays in shaping the discourse around film scores would be more on point.

[Stark 313]

Another great score, although I do think the first was better. The first two tracks seem to have some Game of Shadows temping, or at least stylistic influence, which is fun.

[Jay 37,363]

We watched the second film on Sunday.  I dunno if I'd say it was much better or much worse than the first one; It was kind of more of the same.  I still kind of feel like the directors can't manage the balance of mystery/investigation with the forced action/chase scenes well, and some of the subplots were really undercooked.  But the main mystery was mostly pretty fun and I really like Cavill's Sherlock.

 

The score was great!  I didn't notice any new themes, but the mystery theme gets a lot of new permutations.  The main Enola Holmes theme was only used at the end I think?  

 

Definitely want to listen to the OST album again now.  But I should track down both OSTs on physical CD before they become impossible to find cheap...

[Richard Penna 3,688]

I now realised why I have the first one on CD - the price of this one on CD is the same as lossless digital.

 

Is it just me, or is it highly unusual for Netflix scores to get a CD release at all?

 

Time to give this one a listen.... (and I might just sign up for a month of Netflix over Xmas to actually watch it too)

 

(an hour later) it's a good listen, although not a lot in the way of new themes that I detected (a descending motif might be one) and the two primary themes from the first score aren't used a huge amount, but it shows Pemberton can make a good score even without heavy thematic usage. I think the only element working slightly against it is that a lot of the tracks are short and don't give ideas time to develop - I guess a reflection of how it's used in the film.