Jay 37,336 Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 Most of the time when I put on a score to play, I just listen to the "main program". The bonus track sections are something I check out once in a while, never every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,424 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 58 minutes ago, crocodile said: You probably don't need all of it but it's nice to have this definitive (sans 5 minutes) version Wait a minute. This album has over two hours of music, and it still isn't the complete score? My gosh... jwalk713 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwalk713 40 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Wait a minute. This album has over two hours of music, and it still isn't the complete score? My gosh... Didn't you say that already? 😄 Or something similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 49 minutes ago, crocodile said: Well, with all the alternates it's 2 hours 51 minutes. 😲 Karol I'm giving you nutjobs a break; you only hafta listen to the film tracks!😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Wait a minute. This album has over two hours of music, and it still isn't the complete score? My gosh... On 9/22/2020 at 12:00 AM, crocodile said: 5 minutes still missing (Marriage Plans/Robin's Alive). On 9/22/2020 at 9:55 AM, Edmilson said: Wait, so this is the second expansion this score gets in less than five years, and there's still missing music? jwalk713 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 IL Trovatore!😥 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,424 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 14 hours ago, jwalk713 said: Didn't you say that already? 😄 Or something similar? 14 hours ago, Jay said: Thanks for keeping up with my content! It's good to see I have fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 15 hours ago, Jay said: Most of the time when I put on a score to play, I just listen to the "main program". The bonus track sections are something I check out once in a while, never every time Me neither. I only regularly listen to them if it's something like alternate Binary Sunset or that segment of Fortress of Solitude. 7 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Thanks for keeping up with my content! It's good to see I have fans! Karol Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Has anybody gotten this new edition? jwalk713 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 I'll be ordering it along with War of the Worlds on Monday night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 I'm planning to as well, in the near future, but it would be nice to hear from someone who's already gotten it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 There are comments in the FSM and Intrada forum threads from people who have received it. It's possible no JWFanners have it yet Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 I posted my quick observations on the previous page. Karol Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jay said: I'll be ordering it along with War of the Worlds on Monday night The Kamen’s already out-of-stock until late this month. Jurassic Shark and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jwalk713 40 Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Has anybody gotten this new edition? I've received it, good fellow. Now, I'm clearly biased with this one, because it is my favorite work of Mr. Kamen. But truly, this release is quite amazing. There isn't a HUGE difference in overall sound quality from the previous release, but it is definitely a rounder, fuller sound. There are quite a few pieces in which little details are more apparent. ie, all of the Music for the Merry Men, in which the dulcimer and Renaissance roots are very crisp. The treat here is having completed sequences that have been missing over the years. The new music really elevates the program, and illuminates the compositional through-line of the story. The End Credits piece is so tender and lovely, and it actually answers an editorial question I've had for years: the end/edit of 'Maid Marian' on the OST; That piece seques into a few- second, fading section of the End Title music. So, we actually HAVE heard a miniscule bit of it before. If you enjoy this score, then you'll really appreciate this edition. As has been mentioned before, there are still a few source cues that didn't turn up-- 'Wild Times,' as played and sung in the style of the other Medieval Dance cues; 'Kyrie Eleison,' for the Mass. For me, the true loss is 'Marriage Plans/Robin's Alive.' (I've expressed that ad nauseum 🤣🤣)But, that is certainly not a deal-breaker, by a long shot. This is the definitive presentation of 'Robin Hood,' and well worth the buy! Ricard, Jurassic Shark, Jay and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted October 5, 2020 Author Share Posted October 5, 2020 18 hours ago, BrotherSound said: The Kamen’s already out-of-stock until late this month. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 16 hours ago, jwalk713 said: This is the definitive presentation of 'Robin Hood,' and well worth the buy! Until the next presentation comes, when more of the missing music has been found... jwalk713 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,649 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I do kind of wonder if there was any hesitation here in releasing a new one so soon, when the theoretical situation exists where 4 more minutes of main program music might be found. 19 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Has anybody gotten this new edition? I received this at the end of last week. I only listened to the main titles, and didn't 1:1 it to previous releases or anything, but that sounded pretty good. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, mstrox said: I do kind of wonder if there was any hesitation here in releasing a new one so soon, when the theoretical situation exists where 4 more minutes of main program music might be found. Hey, it's five minutes we're talking about, and quite possibly several seconds beyond that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Is it possible the remaining material was somehow assembled editorially? I really don't like this film so won't watch it just to find out. Karol jwalk713 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted October 5, 2020 Author Share Posted October 5, 2020 No, the completely original proper Kamen cue "Marriage Plans / Robin's Alive" is just completely missing from every element they've found. Roger's own words about it: On 9/18/2020 at 1:43 PM, Jay said: 12M01 - "Marriage Plans / Robin's Alive" (4:53) DVD: 1:41:18 - 1:46:04 Plays from Sheriff's forced marriage proposal to Sheriff telling Marian Robin is Dead, to Robin's survival. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwalk713 40 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 26 minutes ago, crocodile said: Is it possible the remaining material was somehow assembled editorially? I really don't like this film so won't watch it just to find out. Karol Not not in the case of 'Marriage Plans/Robin's Alive.' this was, in fact, a separate and original composition. Granted, more than half of this cue is generic Sheriff villain music, with a few little sprinkles of Robin's motif. But the last minute or so is a glorious reprise of the sombre theme that plays at the end of 'Village Destruction #2,' and then a full orchestra statement of Robin's Theme. It's brief, but magnificent. In addition to the source music that I mentioned earlier, there is a four or five second overlay (Heroic Robin ALT), that is inserted in the film, when Robin crashes through the window to duel with the sheriff. Sadly, this was not recovered for this release. I do expect the remnants to appear one day; after all, 'Celt Battle Part 3' was an orchestration by composer Mark Watters, the recording of which has been in his possession for nearly 30 years, until Intrada connected with him and obtained it for this release. I suspect that the missing music may be sitting on other people's shelves, much in the same manner. The Kamen Estate conducted a very lengthy search, in Los Angeles, New York, and London, to find the music that IS vailable on this release. But this production had such strange variables and occurrences that seem to have scattered source recordings across the globe, it's a bit of a wonder that this much of it has been found. If and when the remaining elements are discovered, I think it could be beneficial to consider a digital release that features the remaining music, rather than another full-on CD release. But I only think that because, I feel that they have gone above and beyond with this, and there are indeed many other scores that deserve the same kind of attention. 😊 Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted October 5, 2020 Author Share Posted October 5, 2020 Doug says: Quote 10/4/2020 Thank you all for making our re-visit to Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves a resounding success. It is a masterful work and having all of that additional music sure drives it all home! http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8558 jwalk713 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Back in stock for those who missed it! Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I'll wait for the next release, when all the music has been found! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,649 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 This may even be in contrast to what I said about the previous release, but I do think this score breathes well and benefits from the expansion. A win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 I have a controversial opinion: I love the Generic Witch Ambience track and am glad it's in the main program! mstrox and jwalk713 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 There's nothing wrong with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,649 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I had no problem with Generic Witch Ambience! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 It wasn't too generic or ambient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-Mile Reef 123 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Jay, I don't suppose you've put together one of your very helpful Google Docs for this? I'm finding it tricky to figure out all the differences from the previous Intrada release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 He's waiting until the expandedexpandedexpanded release comes out!😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 I can't believe it's still incomplete! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,282 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Having given both the prior expanded edition and this new release several listens it still doesn’t quite gel for me I have to admit. Not sure what it is. Feels like one of those scores with many great moments but that it doesn’t quite hang together in between. Having originally ditched the original album from my library I imported the remasters version and actually enjoyed it considerably more in that way. Guess it gets quicker to those highlights more effectively. Plus I quite like the song (from the original release of course). I’ll keep trying. It’s Michael Kamen, he’s usually worth the effort. Although soon to be supplanted by the recently acquired Lethal Weapon set... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Tom Guernsey said: Having given both the prior expanded edition and this new release several listens it still doesn’t quite gel for me I have to admit. Not sure what it is. Everything falls apart without the five missing minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,282 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 26 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Everything falls apart without the five missing minutes. Haha. That must be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 I've never seen the film, and the only track from the OST that really 'does it' for me is Marian at the Waterfall. I was never particularly into Kamen however, so it's not really a sleight on the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I've never seen the film, and the only track from the OST that really 'does it' for me is Marian at the Waterfall. I was never particularly into Kamen however, so it's not really a sleight on the score. You don't like the overture? Is that even possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Overture's ok I guess. I do have that track as well, I just listen to Waterfall more. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-Mile Reef 123 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Does anyone know where 'The Boy in The Tree' was on the last release? It is not marked as previously unreleased on the new track listing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Probably among the five missing minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 591 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 This is by far my favourite scene of the movie. The music starting at 1:18 is Those horns Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 That flub at 2:19... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 4:21 AM, John Chambers said: Jay, I don't suppose you've put together one of your very helpful Google Docs for this? I'm finding it tricky to figure out all the differences from the previous Intrada release! I thought no one would ever ask! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w-sgtqBNfS7NkHUDoHNoiN7LQcyhtbmQ1IXkrEl5ktI/ Enjoy! 1 hour ago, John Chambers said: Does anyone know where 'The Boy in The Tree' was on the last release? It is not marked as previously unreleased on the new track listing. It wasn't on the last release, however, it's just an edit of a piece of "Buffoons Ambush Marian" so no unreleased * needed 12-Mile Reef and jwalk713 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-Mile Reef 123 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 42 minutes ago, Jay said: I thought no one would ever ask! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w-sgtqBNfS7NkHUDoHNoiN7LQcyhtbmQ1IXkrEl5ktI/ Enjoy! Thanks so much Jay, I was going slowly insane trying to figure this all out myself... I don't know how you do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 Well, it would be a nightmare to figure out on our own, but luckily Intrada put the track-by-track cue list in the booklet of both releases Yavar Moradi and 12-Mile Reef 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 The real nightmare is figuring out how to arrange Celt Battle to get the movie version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 Why would you want to do that? Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 ISO score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 According to the booklet the ending of Maid Marian (The Plot Thickens) on the album is a specially recorded album ending, but that very brief coda really sounds like tracked material, what with the fade-out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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