JoeinAR 1,949 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Not rushing on this very average score. Chewy and gkgyver 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,441 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I believe this expansion will keep JWFaner busy for days, trying to figure out all these asterisks and comparing the material on the CD with what's in the movie. Judging by the mess that is the recording sessions, I think this will be the new Prisoner of Azkaban in terms of figuring out the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Aren't the sessions only a tad complex for the final few sequences? The rest of it looks fairly straightforward to me, with the album just re-ordering/editing/joining cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I believe this expansion will keep JWFaner busy for days, trying to figure out all these asterisks and comparing the material on the CD with what's in the movie. Judging by the mess that is the recording sessions, I think this will be the new Prisoner of Azkaban in terms of figuring out the score. Pretty sure it's mostly been figured out by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I prefer the approach of having all the material represented in the main program plus bonus track sequence, that I can listen to straight through, rather than the recent trend of keeping some alternates exclusive to the OST sequence. Doing it this way means I have to dig stuff out of the OST and work it into my edit, which adds to the tendency to "brick" the actual CDs by making me only want to listen to my edit forever after. It's also kinda funny to tell ourselves the OST is being "preserved" by including it, when the original release was in the CD era, and the original release was far less exclusive than any expansion done by the specialty labels. Anyway, this release is a nice surprise and I'll be ordering it. Hopefully it will prompt me to listen closer to the score and discover what it has to offer. It's one of his least accessible scores, but that makes it unique when we're talking about a composer who's known for writing accessible music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 But on the flipside, the OST will sound much better (to my ears) than the actual OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth 67 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I'm sure this is an unrealistic wish, but I would love it if the booklet gives some sort of details on the makeup of the orchestra in some of the action cues. I've always been curious about that after noticing the number of brass players in the roster contained in the OST liner notes. I seriously doubt any cues called for 12 horns or 6 trombones, but the brass writing in this score has more weight than just about anything else he's done. Anyway, very excited to listen to the score in order as it's not one of my favorite Williams album presentations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Nothing about this score is too unusual or confusing, except for the finale. Williams recorded 5 different cues for that one scene, and in the final film Spielberg used various pieces of 3 of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,441 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Jay said: Nothing about this score is too unusual or confusing, except for the finale. Williams recorded 5 different cues for that one scene, and in the final film Spielberg used various pieces of 3 of them For what scene did Williams record 5 different cues, the reunion of the family in Boston or the final Morgan Freeman narration? Or are you considering these two as part of the same scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 super pumped for this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I've only heard the OST once or twice and it was one of those godawful sounding warbly copies on Spotify. I didn't think much of it then, but now I checked some bits out again and I was really really into it. Bleak and relentless but still varied, and a pretty clear culmination of his early 2000s era on the action front. I think I'm going to love this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Edmilson said: For what scene did Williams record 5 different cues, the reunion of the family in Boston or the final Morgan Freeman narration? Or are you considering these two as part of the same scene? Reunion in Boston/Boston Street/cmaj vers/new Reunion/horn and piano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, Edmilson said: For what scene did Williams record 5 different cues, the reunion of the family in Boston or the final Morgan Freeman narration? Or are you considering these two as part of the same scene? This old thread breaks it down https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/21053-complete-cue-list-war-of-the-worlds-williams-2005/ Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Holko said: I've only heard the OST once or twice and it was one of those godawful sounding warbly copies on Spotify. I didn't think much of it then, but now I checked some bits out again and I was really really into it. Bleak and relentless but still varied, and a pretty clear culmination of his early 2000s era on the action front. I think I'm going to love this. It also works very well as Williams "library music" for personal projects with its absence of iconic themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 That tracklist looks perfect actually since a lot of the album tracks differ from film versions. Does it mean the Mike decided to rebuild the OST from scratch? You can already tell from this list the score will flow much better. It is not so much the additional material that makes it, but the sequencing. The OST is dreadful in that respect (similar to Minority Report in that respect). Very happy about this. Karol Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,441 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 So 5 different cues for the reunion, of which Spielberg chose parts of 3, and 2 versions for the final pull back shot (and Epilogue actually means End Credits right?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Yes "Epilogue" is the end of the end credits. You can even hear Williams describe it as such here: Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 33 minutes ago, Seth said: I'm sure this is an unrealistic wish, but I would love it if the booklet gives some sort of details on the makeup of the orchestra in some of the action cues. I've always been curious about that after noticing the number of brass players in the roster contained in the OST liner notes. I seriously doubt any cues called for 12 horns or 6 trombones, but the brass writing in this score has more weight than just about anything else he's done. Funny you should give those numbers: several cues, like MF SC 30 The Intersection Scene, literally call for 12 horns and 6 trombones! Plus, 2 tubas and 2 timpanists, and surprisingly, no trumpets, flutes, oboes, or violins at all. In fact, all the action set pieces are scored without violins, and several have equally large brass sections as well as double timpani. There’s also an unusual amount of bass clarinet: for instance, 2M4 Driving Away from Trouble has no standard B-flat clarinets at all, instead using 3 bass clarinets and an E-flat contra bass clarinet throughout. bruce marshall, crocodile and crumbs 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Williams might have been looking to write music in a register that wouldn't be competing with the alien sound effects BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 46 minutes ago, Smeltington said: It's also kinda funny to tell ourselves the OST is being "preserved" by including it, when the original release was in the CD era, and the original release was far less exclusive than any expansion done by the specialty labels. Yes. That's why this SHOULD be a single CD of the FILM SCORE. Like: BLACK BEAUTY THE RUNNING MAN WRATH OF KHAN and other single CD reissues/ expansions. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Well I can't agree with that, cause I do want the alternates. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 20 minutes ago, Jay said: Williams might have been looking to write music in a register that wouldn't be competing with the alien sound effects Actually, it seemed to MIMIC the alien ' call'! Just now, Smeltington said: Well I can't agree with that, cause I do want the alternates. Seems like there is room for both. I think...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Not on a single disc, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Ah yes, a 100 minute single CD, perfectly feasible and common. crumbs and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 28 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: Funny you should give those numbers: several cues, like MF SC 30 The Intersection Scene, literally call for 12 horns and 6 trombones! Plus, 2 tubas and 2 timpanists, and surprisingly, no trumpets, flutes, oboes, or violins at all. In fact, all the action set pieces are scored without violins, and several have equally large brass sections as well as double timpani. There’s also an unusual amount of bass clarinet: for instance, 2M4 Driving Away from Trouble has no standard B-flat clarinets at all, instead using 3 bass clarinets and an E-flat contra bass clarinet throughout. Maybe the Alex North influences isn't just my superficial observation. He also liked strange orchestrations like this. The lack of violin in action cues reminds me of the time when he challenged Goldsmith not to use violin section in Tora! Tora! Tora! Karol BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Smeltington said: Not on a single disc, no. Well, i guess it depends on what/if alternates R included. It's academic; it WILL be TWO discs. Hoping it's worth it. 4 minutes ago, Holko said: Ah yes, a 100 minute single CD, perfectly feasible and common. Compression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay said: Here's the actual track list, with times, an exclusive sound sample, and 2 pages from the booklet http://www.jwfan.com/?p=13047 @bruce marshall Alternates are included - the OST fills the rest of the second disc. CDs can only hold a hair over 80 minutes of audio data. I guess for longer releases they could always do a data disc of files, and if they do that they can include the OST, the DJ Tiesto remixes, and a couple candid snapshots of Maestro Williams sans turtleneck. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted October 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: Compression Go back to trying to figure out how to link pictures. Fabulin, crumbs and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, JoeinAR said: Not rushing on this very average score. I can't remember a single musical moment from the score. Except that Williams re-used one of the cues for City Of Gold in KotCS, so I remember the Indy cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Can't blame him for reusing music in that Indy 4 turkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Doh! I didn't realize the Intrada program was released. I like the film score program; not the usual Intrada " collection of cues" debacle. Kudos to MM for listening to ' reason'😁 7 minutes ago, Holko said: Go back to trying to figure out how to link pictures. Well EXCUSE ME! I don't spend every waking second thinking about JW releases. I have a LIFE. You should try it sometime 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 12 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: Compression. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,441 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Williams wasn't the only one that liked so much that passage in The Intersection Scene that he re-used it in Indy 4. Gordy Haab also brought this same motif back for Jedi: Fallen Order. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 "The Intersection Scene" is a fantastic cue. Has a really suffocating feeling of inevitability and dread. crumbs and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, JoeinAR said: Not rushing on this very average score. It's a fine suspense score marred by a terrible film. Therefore, me being me, I overlooked it as a serious listening project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, Holko said: Go back to trying to figure out how to link pictures. Well EXCUSE ME! I don't spend every waking second thinking about JW releases. I have a LIFE. You should try it sometime 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Oh god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted October 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2020 14 hours ago, crumbs said: Also a litmus test for eventual SW ST expansions and whether JW will allow multiple alternates for individual cues, given the surplus of revisions/inserts in TFA & TROS especially. Perhaps Mike will do those CE3K style if there are enough alternates to create two substantial programmes. 12 hours ago, Arpy said: Love the brass in this score - Escape From the City and Attacking the Car have been favourites for years in just how propulsive and relentless they are in driving (no pun intended) the action and chaos of those scenes. It's Herrmann-esque in a familiar vein to Minority Report. Love the timpani in this. Anything with antiphonal timpani has my attention. While I love some of the highlights, I rarely listen to the whole OST. Perhaps the C&C programme will be a more satisfying presentation. Arpy, Holko and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Quintus said: Oh god You can just call me "Bruce"😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, JoeinAR said: Not rushing on this very average score. I can understand why some people don't like it. But I don't see how you can call it "average". It's perhaps the least average JW score this side of Images. 18 hours ago, JohnnyD said: "I KNOW NOTHING!" Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, crocodile said: Does it mean the Mike decided to rebuild the OST from scratch? It is his preference to always do so whenever possible. The only time he can't do is is when elements are not available, which for Williams scores was case with Jaws, Jaws 2, and ET. With Jaws and ET, the master tapes for special album-only recordings burned up in the universal fire of 2008. For Jaws 2, the original LP use some alternate takes of cues that for whatever reason Universal Pictures didn't have in their archives, and again because of the fire Universal Music didn't have them either For Superman, 1941, Home Alone, and numerous releases from other composers, the OSTs are complete rebuilds from scratch! crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted October 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2020 So... did he do it here? Jurassic Shark, crumbs and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 18 hours ago, who cares said: I've never heard this score outside the film Coincidentally, I've never seen the film without the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Hey Jay, that's cool that Mike rebuilds the OSTs when he can. Besides War of the Worlds, what other scores is Mike working on expanding? Thanks in advance! Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Holko said: So... did he do it here? I won't be saying anything about this release before it is out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Jay said: I won't be saying anything about this release before it is out! Anything more, you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I haven't actually said anything about the release at all, just the score in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I only program 43 minutes of the ost so I'm intrigued to hear ANY unreleased cues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 27 minutes ago, Quintus said: It's a fine suspense score marred by a terrible film. Therefore, me being me, I overlooked it as a serious listening project. I think it's a average score to a fine but flawed film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jay said: I haven't actually said anything about the release at all, just the score in general I'm pretty sure you posted this two hours ago... 2 hours ago, Jay said: Here's the actual track list, with times, an exclusive sound sample, and 2 pages from the booklet http://www.jwfan.com/?p=13047 Dr. Rick and Smeltington 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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