King Mark 3,631 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 hmm, no, A scratch like the one in the picture you have to ask a replacement disk Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Meh, this sort of thing is why digital releases feel so much easier. CDs get scratched occasionally in the mail, and I have cases whose teeth are half-broken. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 They're easily replaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Yes, but it seems that some people go rushing for replacements at the smallest cosmetic issue, especially if it's a JW score. It doesn't have to be perfect. rough cut and mstrox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C. 0 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 4 hours ago, crumbs said: Not at all, it's still a manufacturing defect. Send Intrada an email and they'll mail you a replacement copy. And welcome to the forums! Nice to have more Aussies around Thanks crumbs! To be fair I'd agree with King Mark on this one as there's no physical damage/scratch to my copy of the cd itself. It appears its ripping the cd that's causing issues for some people. Fortunately I ripped the affected tracks a second time and have had more success - no pops/crackling this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 42 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Yes, but it seems that some people go rushing for replacements at the smallest cosmetic issue, especially if it's a JW score. It doesn't have to be perfect. If it's only cosmetic then OK, but a scratch at the border of the CD and errors while ripping the last tracks isn't a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Absolutely yes, if it's causing a ripping issue then a replacement is needed. I'm just talking about fussing over purely cosmetic problems. Chewy and rough cut 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: Absolutely yes, if it's causing a ripping issue then a replacement is needed. I'm just talking about fussing over purely cosmetic problems. Sometimes damage to the cases goes beyond cosmetic though. I've only asked for a replacement case once on the Potter box. Half the disc teeth were shattered to the point that discs were sliding around in the case when closed, so disc scratches were inevitable. LLL, being the excellent company they are, kindly sent out replacement cases for PS and COS. All the labels are excellent in this regard, brilliant customer service. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 23 hours ago, Amer said: But was it scratched? No, pristine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amer 2,107 Posted October 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2020 Some pics from the WAR OF THE WORLDS set at Universal, which I visited in 2010 crumbs, crocodile, DrTenma and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I think they kept the set for a while at Universal Studios - the tour went past it showing the wreckage when I visited in 2008. I remember visiting Universal Studios in 2000 and seeing parts of the huge miniature set they had built for JP3 (mountains), as well as a shed which housed some of the full-scale animatronic dinosaurs (their arses were poking out)! Oh, and Whoville from The Grinch! Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted October 17, 2020 Author Share Posted October 17, 2020 Well, it was still there in 2016. Karol Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Five Tones 302 Posted October 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/12/2020 at 3:15 PM, Jay said: One thing I never thought about before was how smart it was to not use the "Attacking The car" cue in the film, because that's a scene of the heroes being attacked by fellow man instead of the aliens, making the attack have a different feel when it's not scored. I also really dug the analysis about the subdued nature of the score reflecting the aliens annihilating our memories of music along with everything else. I love when MM references the intertextual in JW's scores, e.g. the above in context with Lost World (I think?) I was watching Jaws with one of my kids within a day of listening to the podcast, and this made me think about how music was used there too. There are many great unscored moments, the human to human dramas but also the death of Quint, which in a way might reflect his own pathetic human struggle and pulls away the myth around Quint's Tale, the Sea Hawk-like music, "Spanish Ladies," etc. My set arrived a few days ago and I've listened to the score presentation. Sound is as fantastic as I'd expected, if maybe slightly less of a revelation than MR. Listening now, AI, MR and WotW really feel like a musical and sonic trilogy. In some places, WW also feels like a continuation of the darker parts of RotS [EDIT: yes, @lemoncurd, I hear PoA too], and some of that quasi-operatic minor-mode and elegiac writing undermines the more abstract, brutalist content that potentially makes the score unique in this period of JW's work (or any period). There's a lot of Dies Irae bleeding out here and there. Blatant Rite of Spring/Jaws in the Intersection Scene, nice balance including the woodwinds but again it doesn't feel brutalist rather than a shot of a well-known syrup. The latter parts of Prologue/Closing Montage have a starry night flavour which references SW in a less overt way. I haven't seen the film since 2005 but do plan to revisit it. I appreciate having both the Freeman and no-Freeman options. I do like where JW stretches in tiny ways, e.g. in the last 23 seconds of Red Planet, the rising string glissandi from CE3K (referencing composer Iannis Xenakis) juxtaposed with the hammered two-note chord that opens John Adams's Harmonielehre (which Adams also brings back in Doctor Atomic, coincidentally in 2005). Truly spooky, and the improved sonics make it pop. Epilogue is still my favourite cue, for several reasons, including that it focuses on three trumpets played quietly which is a kind of a twist for JW in a blockbuster. It's really all about the tuning of that opening minor chord that is a drama of its own (that we aren't necessarily aware of on a conscious level); it's straining against the human convention of the equal temperament tuning system in a way that could suggest the breakdown of society after its destruction. On top of that, towards the end JW lets the three trumpets' lines drift in different directions and land on other unrelated minor chords (so JW) and interesting dissonances before returning to the original chord again. And in the last 90 seconds, after playing an elegy that is somewhere between the Epilogue from the re-recording of The Fury and Cybertronics from AI, there are the strings in the background, hanging on the two-note chord! JW at his best. There are lots of other great bits more in that "trilogy" vein, as well. But returning to this score, I was struck that (as with MR) it's not nearly as monochromatic and modernist out of context as I remembered. crumbs, Edmilson, Jay and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Richard Penna said: Yes, but it seems that some people go rushing for replacements at the smallest cosmetic issue, especially if it's a JW score. It doesn't have to be perfect. Depends of how fussy you are about your collectibles. Some people have a lower tolerance for defects like this. If you don't care fine but I do. "As long as you can rip it" doesn't fly with me I asked for replacements of 1 disk of the JP set and one of the HP set Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,441 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I have a few questions. Firstly, Refugee Status is not used in the movie, or is it? I watched it a few months ago and I don't remember a scene with this cue. Ray and Rachel is another cue that I don't remember when it plays in the film. Also, Defeat and Reunion and Boston Street Finale were all meant to play over the same scene of Ray arriving in Boston and delivering Rachel to the mother, right? Are they alternates of each other? If not, which scene does Defeat and Reunion plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alan 689 Posted October 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2020 2 hours ago, The Five Tones said: But returning to this score, I was struck that (as with MR) it's not nearly as monochromatic and modernist out of context as I remembered. Couldn't agree more. Minority Report and War of the Worlds are two Williams scores that I never revisited much in their OST forms. I bought the expansions more out of a desire to support the labels and as a collector than as a fan of the scores themselves. On listening again though I have been surprised by how easy they are to enjoy and I've developed an entirely new appreciation for them. A.I. is similar but I've had that expansion for a long time so I can barely remmeber how I felt about the OST now. GerateWohl, crumbs and The Five Tones 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 12:53 PM, Edmilson said: I have a few questions. Firstly, Refugee Status is not used in the movie, or is it? I watched it a few months ago and I don't remember a scene with this cue. Completely dropped from the film. There is a line of dialogue during an unscored scene in between when "Woods Walk" ends and "Robbie Joins The Fight" begins where a soldier says "Our mission, Lieutenant, is to delay their advance until those refugees get to safety. Now, keep firing!" so presumably it was written for a longer edit of that scene Quote Ray and Rachel is another cue that I don't remember when it plays in the film. After the" Bodies in the Water" scene/cue, an army caravan goes by and Robbie expresses interest in joining them; Ray and him fight about it. Rachel interrupts the fight by asking "Who will take care of me?", and this cue covers from there through the trio driving into the town where the ferry is. Quote Also, Defeat and Reunion and Boston Street Finale were all meant to play over the same scene of Ray arriving in Boston and delivering Rachel to the mother, right? Are they alternates of each other? If not, which scene does Defeat and Reunion plays? "Defeat and Reunion" covers, for the first 40 seconds, the scene where the tripod door opens up and the dying alien falls out. Then, the final 2 minutes of the track is 5th version of the reunion of Ray and Rachel with Rachel's mother and grandparents (and Robbie) in the Boston street "Boston Street Finale" is just the 4th version of the street reunion, it doesn't repeat the dying alien part. The Five Tones and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,441 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Thanks, that's really helpful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,107 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 I just wish Spielberg would do another Sci fi based film with Willlams. I know Iam just being nostalgic but both need to return to this genre again. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 No scratches on my disc, but I did notice Epilogue has a slight digital buzz at the beginning, it's not that noticeable - but the alternate version on Disc 2 doesn't have the same issue. I had no problems ripping it, so not sure what it is. Sounds like the buzz of a monitor or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 If the OST version of Epilogue doesn't have it you could use that instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Luckily this time I got my disc without delays from the posts I'm enjoying right now, I didn't exhaustively checked the cd's to see if they were perfect, they seemed but I'll also try to rip them to see if everything went fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 So, is that digital buzz on every copy or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 It's very minor, but I checked it out on the OST version of Epilogue on D2, and it was the same thing. Tbh, it's nothing to worry about, it's only about a second and then is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, Arpy said: I checked it out on the OST version of Epilogue on D2, and it was the same thing. Then it's probably in the recording. Might be something as in "Quidditch, Third Year". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Then it's probably in the recording. Might be something as in "Quidditch, Third Year". Oh boy, there's something like that in that track? I don't want to hear it but now you've mentioned it, I'm doomed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, Arpy said: Oh boy, there's something like that in that track? I don't want to hear it but now you've mentioned it, I'm doomed! If it's clear that it's in the recording, I can live with that for some reason. Just don't let me know that it's a pressing or master issue and I'm fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Some issues I noticed with Rescuing Sirius that sounded like strange artifacts were also present in the film, so I'm assuming that it was something inherent in the recording process and nothing in post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 BTW, why is the Epilogue in the main program called "(film version)"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 6:44 PM, Jay said: I believe the edit points between takes was different in the film compared to the album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 4:58 PM, King Mark said: I have very bad luck with these things so 100% chance mine will have the scratch It's like me and boxed sets. On 10/17/2020 at 8:21 AM, Luke Skywalker said: I checked mine and there was just a small scratch on disc 2, something that i would consider normal. Both played fine. A small scratch is...normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theMaestraX 106 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Who would've believed in this 21st century there are still imperfections and processing problems to deal with. I am hoping for a successful outcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 On 10/9/2020 at 12:24 AM, BrotherSound said: Wasn’t expecting this until Saturday, but look what just arrived! Is it real stone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 17 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: It's like me and boxed sets. A small scratch is...normal? As in what would you find in any pressed CD. 100% Pristine CDs are very rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,714 Posted October 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2020 Well finally my copy arrived! Now on to listen to this new presentation! No scratches on either of the discs. crocodile, Chewy and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 Still nothing for me. It's running a week late now. 😞 Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I just updated the Wiki article. (Hey just comfort me, the original album was not a re-recording huh?) +1 for "Expanded reissue albums". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_discography crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rough cut 1,714 Posted October 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2020 I’m watching the movie in anticipation of the CD. Never really did that kind of thing before, I must be getting old. 😂 I’ve previously only seen it the once in its theatrical release... and it’s not one of my fondest memories. Maybe I was too young, but it was all so bleak. And it was scene after scene, with nothing going the protagonist’s way. Seeing it now, again, it really is a one-of-a-kind-movie. It’s relentless. The first reveal and the disappearing bodies. The way his kids hate their dad. The bodies in the river. The mob mentality. They way way the ferry leaves and how the aliens suck people up. The way the son keeps fighting with his father... and so on, and so on. As a viewer, I think there are very few, blockbuster movies at least, that give you this kind of experience. The sound design is equally horrifying. It’s loud and uncomforting. And what do I think now, after seeing it today, my second viewing after 15 years? It’s good. Spielberg surely knew he was “breaking the mold”, and - though I can’t say I’m enjoying it - I can’t take my eyes off of it. Characters are unlikable and the movie is brutal, too brutal. I kind of hate everyone in the movie and at the same time everything that happens to them. It bogs you down, scene after scene. It’s too brutal, too relentless, too unforgiving, too sad. It’s perhaps one of the most well made and interesting blockbusters you’ll ever see. If you can take it. I can’t wait for my CD to arrive. Taikomochi, Amer, Fozmo and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, rough cut said: The mob mentality. The most intense and uncanny scene to me. And note: one single beat on Tom Cruise's back of the head and he's down-to-earth - just as the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I think the film has the odor of late-Spielberg popcorn-fare, but it’s one of his most serious directorial efforts. William’s unique and brilliant score reflects that. The Five Tones and Amer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amer 2,107 Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 Mike Matessino drew some interesting parallels to 9/11 and the current Pandemic situation in the podcast interview that Maurizio conducted. I always noticed how Anti Spielbergian film this was in terms of the directors own usual approach to the subject matter and being as subtle as possible without empowering us with those cliched film making techniques which we were so aware of. Over the years I have been drawn into this score because it's a very subtle and restrained effort from Williams in the thematic sense and it's all merely incidental music. I think both the director and Composer chose to move away from their usual approach intentionally and created a vivid piece of art. The music does not grab you immediately but slowly draws you in. At times, you can find that It's almost like a musical documentary. I just can't wait to get my copy. I have been eagerly awaiting this restoration ever since AI 3CD set came about. Arpy, Taikomochi and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 So I haven't read the last couple of pages... How many have gotten the album and how many scratches we got so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Damn, I didn't count! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Josh500 said: So I haven't read the last couple of pages... How many have gotten the album and how many scratches we got so far? Not sure if this is scarier than missing teeth... Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Vincent 234 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 My copy arrived yesterday and didn't have any scratches. 😎 Incanus and Josh500 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Mine has a small scratch that doesn’t seem to affect playback. Just gonna leave it be. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chewy 2,391 Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 Arrived in France too with another gem! No scratches either Holko, Amer, aescalle and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 What's the scratch rate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 mine arrived yesterday, I ordered on Oct. 8. That's quite fast (Germany). No scratch. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 244 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Got mine today, no scratches. Sounds amazing. Also got here fairly fast. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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