Holko 9,400 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 My edit ended up looking like this and I really enjoy it now on the 2nd-3rd listen: Mostly self-explanatory. The Invasion is Intersection Scene+What Happened+Before the Escape+Driving Away. I didn't like how IS just died down so quickly, and as stated above I like BtE+DA, so this worked out fine. The other solution would've been to copy the looped tracked ending for IS from the OST. Decided those two Reunion alternates are good as is in the main program. Alternates Suite is Prologue (alternate), then Separation of the Family, then Driving Away leading to Ferry Scene with the throatsinging insert from a 5.1 rip, then Entrance to Boston alternate, then Street Finale alternate 2, then Epilogue alternate, then Street Finale 1 since I felt it had the most satisfying closure. Then a little assembly of the mechanical sound and sirens from the 5.1 mix to cap it off. Not knowing this score before, I didn't even know about the OST extensions and sure didn't notice anything being up with those two tracks, they slot in very well. Also, I've said before that "when they were intended to be joined, they should be joined". Well here I am proven wrong with What Happened and Driving Away. And I really appreciate that I'm given the option to pick and choose, edit in this album intro or join them, and if someone else likes it differently they an do that, and if someone's fine with the usual buildup to nothing, 5 seconds silence, sudden start out of nowhere, they can keep listening to that too. Same with including all those alternates, where some may scoff and say "I maybe listen to them once and never again, I don't care", well this way anyone can pick and choose which one they like the best and which ones to listen to, and I LOVE that. Sure, I don't often listen to just the alternates sections as is... but I do like listening to what I make from them. BUT I wouldn't like it if it already came premade, others may not like it, it takes away the opportunity to compare the pieces in context or easily switch the out or any of that. Long story short, me making "frankenstein edits" that I find perfect to listen to doesn't mean I don't immensely appreciate these sets and the approach to their assembly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,382 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 @Holko Did you put the "Bodies in the Water" at the end of "Surveying Wreckage / Watch the Lightning"? A wise decision that MM missed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,400 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Yeah I tried that out because of your earlier post and decided it ain't bad. Brundlefly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,355 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: I'm just worried about the flow of those pieces Don't worry too much, the presentation on Disc 1 is perfect. Jurassic Shark and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amer 2,071 Posted November 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2020 Escape from the City on disc 2 is my preferred choice than the original version on Disc 1. This scherzo like piece almost acts like a Concert arrangement. I wonder if this piece was actually recorded for the Spielberg Williams Collaboration III album? Matessino on the recent podcast indicated that one cue may have been recorded. Also I think Williams may have premiered this in a Boston concert performance in 2005? (My memory is vague at this point) Btw, I just did a comparison of the original OST sound and the new remaster - this new edition is just mind blowing!! Its just what I wanted to get a proper remaster. The superior sound quality jump is extraordinary. crumbs, Holko and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,275 Posted November 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2020 Yep, it seems whatever process Mike uses to downmix the 5.1 live mixes to stereo is vastly superior to whatever mastering process they used back in the early 2000s. Minority Report was another revelatory remaster (and Artificial Intelligence was an improvement on the muddy OST). I really hope he can fix that distracting hiss in AOTC someday. Bayesian, Chewy and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Yea that is the last JW score from the 2000s that needs fixing from a sound quality perspective. crlbrg and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 From the 2010s, it's The Post that needs fixing. Taikomochi and Trope 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,420 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Or possibly rerecording :C Jurassic Shark, Chewy and Taikomochi 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 With kazoo orchestra! DrTenma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 On 11/16/2020 at 10:04 AM, Smeltington said: Oh weird. Looks like I picked the wrong week to think I was done with my edit. In case you are wondering what/where they are exactly on Disc 1: 2:14-end of Track 7 2:00-end of Track 12 Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 MR ost sounds fantastic. I refuse to believe claims that the remaster is " revelatory". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,355 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 hours ago, bruce marshall said: MR ost sounds fantastic. I refuse to believe claims that the remaster is " revelatory". Just listen to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 10 hours ago, bruce marshall said: MR ost sounds fantastic. I refuse to believe claims that the remaster is " revelatory". It's lavatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 A lot of times an expanded album comes out and the new master sounds very similar to the old master. In the case of AI, Minority Report, and War of the Worlds, the new masters are NOTICEABLY different. Just listen to the samples provided free on LLL's website https://lalalandrecords.com/minority-report-limited-edition-2-cd-set/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Of course, different doesn't always mean better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I never said it did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I never said you said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,355 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Of course, different doesn't always mean better. In the three examples Jay mentionned, it's without any doubt better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I would have to purchase it and play it thru my full spectrum SPEAKERS to make an informed comparison. Not gonna do that. I'm happy with the ost content and sound.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,152 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I received my copy last night for my birthday, just got done listening to disc 1 and the sound is pristine! Thank you Intrada and Mike M.! Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Wan 64 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Of course, different doesn't always mean better. When the new mastering is done by Mike Matessino it always sounds better. Holko and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 14 hours ago, Chewy said: Just listen to it. Let me ask you this; how would you rate the overall sound quality of the latest Spielberg/ Williams Connection . Let's say disc three. I just want to get a sense of our respective ' ears'. 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, E-Wan said: When the new mastering is done by Mike Matessino it always sounds better. For now, yes. But who known when he'll turn all Shawn Murphy... 18 hours ago, bruce marshall said: MR ost sounds fantastic. I refuse to believe claims that the remaster is " revelatory". It's got all these chair squeaks and paper turns you couldn't hear on the OST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,275 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: For now, yes. But who known when he'll turn all Shawn Murphy... Murphy's one of the best recordists in the business. The fact that Mike has yielded such superb stereo mixes from his 5.1 masters is a testament to how good his recordings are. Any issues with the audio quality of older OSTs are likely a result of the mastering process, not the mixing. Mike has discussed in the past that 'dulling down' the CD brightness was flavour of the day a few decades ago, because they weren't sure how far to push those dynamic recordings for a mass-market soundtrack (where they have to cater for all types of listening devices). For mine, his only disappointing mixes in the last few decades are A.I. (muddy, lacking in detail), AOTC (persistent hiss, potential recording defect) and TFA (the recording is great but I really dislike how that score was mixed; the OST is way too bright and an unpleasant listen). Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 "Murphy rules. MM drools" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amer 2,071 Posted November 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 19, 2020 5 hours ago, E-Wan said: When the new mastering is done by Mike Matessino it always sounds better. Matessino always raises the bar with every new release. The man is our innermost perfectionist. Holko, crumbs and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 5 hours ago, crumbs said: Murphy's one of the best recordists in the business. The fact that Mike has yielded such superb stereo mixes from his 5.1 masters is a testament to how good his recordings are. Any issues with the audio quality of older OSTs are likely a result of the mastering process, not the mixing. Mike has discussed in the past that 'dulling down' the CD brightness was flavour of the day a few decades ago, because they weren't sure how far to push those dynamic recordings for a mass-market soundtrack (where they have to cater for all types of listening devices). For mine, his only disappointing mixes in the last few decades are A.I. (muddy, lacking in detail), AOTC (persistent hiss, potential recording defect) and TFA (the recording is great but I really dislike how that score was mixed; the OST is way too bright and an unpleasant listen). He certainly dropped the ball with the demasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Maybe he is best suited for originals not reissues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Clearly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 On 11/10/2020 at 4:06 PM, Chewy said: So while starting work on the isolated score, I noticed how different the Intersection Scene choir sounds in the movie, compared to the version presented on the Intrada release. Intrada version (track 1-03): Film version: Do we have information on what happened here? It almost sounds like totally different takes of the choir were used for the movie, maybe tracked from somewhere else but I can't think of any similar choir in the score. Just curious to know when you'll put up the restored isolated score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 How many folks upgraded from ost to two cd? This is tempting but my ost will have to suffice. For now at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,071 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, bruce marshall said: How many folks upgraded from ost to two cd? This is tempting but my ost will have to suffice. For now at least. I did. The old OST is a frisbee now. The new OST rocks because of the high resolution and is reconstructed from scratch. And the film presentation on Disc 1 is something else. My advice: Get it fast before Intrada gets it out of stock. P. S. They sold out the initial batch but 2nd batch coming soon. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 If I had unlimited funds, maybe. I've purchased several cds lately so a bit low on funds. Want to prioritize new and never owned titles. Though I did up grade HTTYD , INTERSTELLAR, and TWO MULES. I own DVD of WOTW also. If I had unlimited funds, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,275 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 41 minutes ago, Amer said: I did. The old OST is a frisbee now. The new OST rocks because of the high resolution and is reconstructed from scratch. And the film presentation on Disc 1 is something else. My advice: Get it fast before Intrada gets it out of stock. The new release is absolutely gorgeous! So glad I picked it up. I'm yet to hear disc 2 but disc 1 alone was worth the price of admission. Even if you think the session leak filled in the blanks with the OST, the improvement in audio quality on this set leaves the sessions for dead. It's like hearing the score with new ears, the same as that stunning high-resolution Minority Report remaster last year. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,355 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 6 hours ago, JohnnyD said: Just curious to know when you'll put up the restored isolated score? I've made good progress and I plan to publish a first batch very soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one, he said. The chances of anythinnnnng coming from Mars are a million to one, but still, they commmmmme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I've been listening to a BBC radio adaptation and an audio book. Never tire of this story! Is last year's BBC Tele version available? Criterion DVD on order! 1954 version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I love the 1988 TV series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, The Big Man said: I love the 1988 TV series. Never saw that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Seems no-one else here has but me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, bruce marshall said: Is last year's BBC Tele version available? That's shite. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Oh god, that was so awful, I'm sure Beebz was taking the piss. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 It's hours upon hours I'll never get back. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,420 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Each new hour of shite was a new opportunity to turn it off! bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 The remote wasn't working. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,275 Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 Finally listened to disc 2! The OST remaster sounds great... but other than Morgan Freeman's delightful narration, it's a rather befuddling OST assembly from JW. I suddenly remembered why I didn't revisit that soundtrack after the session leak. These non-chronological OSTs are really difficult to enjoy once you're used to Mike's chrono presentations. But what a fantastic mini-suite of alternates at the end! Love how these bonus tracks form a listening experience unto themselves, where if you just want a taste of the score you could listen to those 15 minutes and be totally satisfied. It was the same with Far & Away's superb 28 minute suite of alternates; satisfying musical storytelling in its own right, if you don't have time for the entire score. Just reiterates why Mike is the best. It's never a lazy dump of miscellaneous alternates at the end; there's genuine thought put into presenting them. Holko, Jay, bruce marshall and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 It was pretty lucky that there was an alternate Prologue and Epilogue, really makes the bonus track section a little mini album like you say crumbs and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 6 hours ago, crumbs said: But what a fantastic mini-suite of alternates at the end! Love how these bonus tracks form a listening experience unto themselves, where if you just want a taste of the score you could listen to those 15 minutes and be totally satisfied. It was the same with Far & Away's superb 28 minute suite of alternates; satisfying musical storytelling in its own right, if you don't have time for the entire score. Just reiterates why Mike is the best. It's never a lazy dump of miscellaneous alternates at the end; there's genuine thought put into presenting them. I love reading this! Hope it's a method that continues on future releases 11 hours ago, The Big Man said: The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one, he said. The chances of anythinnnnng coming from Mars are a million to one, but still, they commmmmme! Omg- it's...its....its.....MATT DAMON!😵 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,042 Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 My favorite assembly of bonus tracks that works as its own mini album yet is coming out next year and I can't wait for everyone to hear it. It's a masterpiece of album production. Chewy, A. A. Ron and Josh500 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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