Popular Post JohnnyD 1,220 Posted October 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2020 After watching Amistad on Blu-Ray with remastered picture and sound, I wanted to start this thread. The Maestro's score, like the film itself, is a masterpiece. However, there is over 40 minutes of the score that has not yet been released. The first attempt of Mr. Baldwin communicating with the Africans, Cinque's tale of slaying the lion, his entire flashback sequence, Yambe explaining the Bible to Cinque, the entirety of Adams' Summation are just a few of many yet to be released highlights from the score. The entire score is a brilliant combination of African texture and instrumentation with orchestra and choir. The score is powerful and moving, like all the Maestro's work. However, there is something I cannot truly describe about this score of his that makes me want it to be given the remastered and expanded treatment. I have a very personal connection to this score. I was too young to see the film when it first came out, but I was introduced to the music via the soundtrack album. This score introduced me to the spiritual aspect of music. When I was old enough, I saw the film, and both the film and score moved me deeply. All of the Maestro's work is sheer brilliance and blessed with genius, but if I had a choice, difficult as it is given his other scores that have not yet received remastered, expanded and definitive releases, to have one score be given a remastered and definitive release, it would be Amistad. This thread is not only an appreciation of this score, but a discussion on the likelihood of Amistad getting the remastered, expanded and definitive treatment. Disco Stu, Falstaft, Once and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,249 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 You want a debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 I worded that wrong. More of a discussion and open dialogue, basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Not sure what there is to debate? Yes, it will happen in the next few years. There's only 6 Spielberg/Williams scores left for the labels (including Sugarland) and they usually knock out 1-2 per year. On the score and its merits, there's discussion happening in that other thread. But I hope this can be released soon, lots of unreleased music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 Within the next few years, that is without question. The likelihood of it being released by the end of the year is what is open to discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,249 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Nobody here knows the internal plans of the specialty labels and their producers so I don't know what you want or expect people to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 My appreciation for this score has grown and grown over the years. I've listened to the OST a lot this year. There have been days where I listened to it on repeat! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: My appreciation for this score has grown and grown over the years. I've listened to the OST a lot this year. There have been days where I listened to it on repeat! I might just listen to it now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 Well, the discussion really should be on whether or not one thinks the score will get the remastered and expanded treatment by the end of the year, as well as a discussion on the score, specially the unreleased cues and sections of music not on the OST. Often times I’ve listened to the OST on repeat; I’ve also re-watched the film just to listen to the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 No one would have any possible reason to think it will release this year beyond blind hope. And blind hope is a JWFan’s speciality! crumbs and QuartalHarmony 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 hours ago, JohnnyD said: Well, the discussion really should be on whether or not one thinks the score will get the remastered and expanded treatment by the end of the year, as well as a discussion on the score, specially the unreleased cues and sections of music not on the OST. This will be great to have one day! Will and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,249 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 In my personal opinion every score Williams ever wrote deserves to be sold commercially in a nice package overseen by a producer whose heart is invested in making a good product. Do I want this done for Amistad? Yes please! Do I like the score to Amistad? Yes, very much! Is a new album of it going to come this year, or some other year? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I'm still holding out for the 20th Anniversary edition I swore was happening back in 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,241 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 45 minutes ago, crumbs said: This will be great to have one day! Well, I’m sold! I’d never heard this cue before, and that’s as good as any highlight of the OST as far as I’m concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Chances are good we’ll have at least one JW release for Black Friday, we’ve had at least one JW BF release since 2015. Since we just got WOTW not sure if that lessens the chance of getting Amistad this year but who knows? In 2017 we got E.T. In Oct and CE3K on BF so it’s happened before with SS/JW releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, ATXHusker said: Since we just got WOTW not sure if that lessens the chance of getting Amistad this year but who knows? In 2017 we got E.T. In Oct and CE3K on BF so it’s happened before with SS/JW releases. 2019 was the first year since 2014 with only one Spielberg/Williams score expansion, so chances are high we'll get another one for BF (or at the very least, another non-Spielberg JW score). LLL had 5 JW score expansions each year since 2017, but only 1 so far in 2020. Granted, the pandemic has slowed things down but I'm staying optimistic for BF. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I am not expecting anything exciting. However with how things have started to take shape with things that I would want to purchase like WOTW, HTTYD, Solo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 6 hours ago, crumbs said: 2019 was the first year since 2014 with only one Spielberg/Williams score expansion, so chances are high we'll get another one for BF (or at the very least, another non-Spielberg JW score). I don’t think there’s an actual logic to be followed here. But I’ll happily endorse any baseless speculation that predicts more Williams. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,322 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Why remastering? Did somebody mess up the first time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 11 hours ago, JohnnyD said: Well, the discussion really should be on whether or not one thinks the score will get the remastered and expanded treatment by the end of the year, as well as a discussion on the score, specially the unreleased cues and sections of music not on the OST. Often times I’ve listened to the OST on repeat; I’ve also re-watched the film just to listen to the score. Well, in that case I don't think we'll see it expanded this year. In 5 or so, yes, definitely. But, obviously, I'm just speculating. The album is one of my Williams' favourites, it's been a lot since I saw the movie so I'm not familiar on how good is the unreleased material but, as the commercial CD, I'm quite happy about it. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,637 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 13 hours ago, Jay said: Nobody here knows the internal plans of the specialty labels and their producers so I don't know what you want or expect the us to say Nobody? Jay, you must have been shocked last week to learn of the impending War of the Worlds release! Amistad is a wonderful score - I'm sure it will be expanded one day, and I will be among the first in line to order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,249 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Eh, I figure everyone knew I was the exception to that statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,637 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Out of curiosity, Jay, do you have any plans to change your avatar in calendar year 2020? Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,249 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 Loose lips sink ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 So I wonder what Jim Titus would do with the artwork on this one? I'm not a big fan of the OST cover personally. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 45 minutes ago, crumbs said: So I wonder what Jim Titus would do with the artwork on this one? I'm not a big fan of the OST cover personally. Yes I'd love to see him do something original for this like he did for ET. None of the official promotional art for Amistad that I've seen is especially attractive. There's the familiar art used for the OST cover and there's the ugly version with the typical abstract floating heads of the actors. I did see this in my googling, but I don't really think it would work as a soundtrack cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Nothing will ever be as bad as that Seven Years in Tibet cover. I would love an E.T. scenario for an Amistad expansion; none of the key artwork for the film lends itself to an album cover (as the OST proves) and the subject matter of the film could be explored with some impactful graphic design. I'm sure Jim would do an amazing job. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,287 Posted October 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2020 Stumbled upon another incredible unreleased cue tonight. I can't believe how much gold is unreleased from this score! An expanded release will be absolutely revelatory once Mike gets around to it. In fact, I'd be thrilled if this was LLL's only remaining JW release in 2020. Just wait for the goosebumps in the last minute of the cue. pete, Romão, Holko and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,372 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, crumbs said: Just wait for the goosebumps in the last minute of the cue. That moment feels so good, right. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,249 Posted October 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2020 I moved all off-topic posts into another thread. Any debates about C&C vs A&A is not allowed in this thread. Go here instead https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/32989-the-official-album-presentation-vs-complete-chronological-presentation-thread-round-2/ bruce marshall, mstrox, Chewy and 4 others 2 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted October 8, 2020 Author Share Posted October 8, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 10:01 PM, crumbs said: 4 hours ago, crumbs said: Those two cues are just the tip of the iceberg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, JohnnyD said: Those two cues are just the tip of the iceberg! Yes they are both beautiful cues! An expanded 2-disc set would be a huge improvement over the OST in terms of new material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, ATXHusker said: Yes they are both beautiful cues! An expanded 2-disc set would be a huge improvement over the OST in terms of new material. Well, the OST doesn't have any new material, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Yeah I guess I walked into that one lol... You know what I mean, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,241 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 So, I've found the original cue titles and added them to the Amistad complete score breakdown thread, inexplicably in General Discussion (@Jay Possible to move this?) : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,249 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 It's not inexplicable. The John Williams forum didn't exist until I created it (2013ish I think?) so any thread older than that is still in GD, unless I've come across it and moved it BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,241 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, Jay said: It's not inexplicable. The John Williams forum didn't exist until I created it (2013ish I think?) so any thread older than that is still in GD, unless I've come across it and moved it Oh, thanks @Jay! I’d forgotten there was ever a time before it was split like this. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 6 hours ago, BrotherSound said: OX4940 Guitar Source #1 [comp. JW] OX4941 Guitar Source #2 [comp. JW] These guitar source cues are gorgeous! I hope Mike can convince him to include these on an expansion someday, seeing as JW prefers to omit these things jurassicjello · Amistad Guitar Source [Comp JW] Considering the score will need two discs, there'll be plenty of room to include them. And unlike the A.I. source, Williams composed these himself. The style of music fits right alongside the score (like Azkaban's source cues, and unlike the source for A.I. & Superman), so hopefully he allows these... UPDATE: Here's the JW composed drum source. jurassicjello · Amistad Drums Source [Comp JW] A little repetitive, but don't see any reason this wouldn't fit alongside the score. Fingers crossed we get these clean someday... Once and BrotherSound 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,287 Posted September 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2021 Please make it happen, LLL... Holko, SteveMc, Dr. Rick and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,491 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Would it be a 2+CD set? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 2-CD set minimum, yeah. There's over 40 minutes of unreleased material in the film itself, plus source music and unknown alternates. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share Posted September 6, 2021 5 hours ago, crumbs said: 2-CD set minimum, yeah. There's over 40 minutes of unreleased material in the film itself, plus source music and unknown alternates. PLEASE LET THIS COME TO PASS!! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 @crumbs You're so talented regarding the cover designs. aescalle and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 4 hours ago, crumbs said: Please make it happen, LLL... I'm all over the idea of getting an expanded Amistad from LLL and I'm sure it'll happen sooner than later, but... Gotta be honest, this cover art reminded me of Saw more than anything else. GerateWohl and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianagirl 298 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 I really hope this happens....but diff cover art please Jurassic Shark and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 On 9/6/2021 at 3:38 PM, crumbs said: 2-CD set minimum, yeah. There's over 40 minutes of unreleased material in the film itself, plus source music and unknown alternates. Unless they decide to do a Schindler's List style expansion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,791 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Those drums…are not source music. They are score… i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 I do love that guitar source music early in the score. I'd love to hear that clean on a future expansion. So rarely do we hear JW's writing for guitar. (awaits obvious John Williams the guitarist jokes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,624 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 yeah sure , this release has a 3000% more chances of happening than anything SW/Indy related. we just got Always I bet this is next Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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