crlbrg 381 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 And another! Jurassic Shark and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 This album is turning out to be what the Dudamel album should have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 This is my favourite of the pieces they've released so far! crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 100%! It's great! 15 minutes ago, Holko said: This is my favourite of the pieces they've released so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 47 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: This album is turning out to be what the Dudamel album should have been. But that album was great! Performance-wise anyway. Jurassic Shark and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 7 hours ago, bollemanneke said: But that album was great! Performance-wise anyway. Exactly... but the acoustics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 7 hours ago, bollemanneke said: But that album was great! Performance-wise anyway. Nah. But I hope this new one is (I haven't listened to any of the samples). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2021 The performances are just as good, and the acoustics is better. It turns out we're late to the party. SPOTLIGHT ON JOHN WILLIAMS was released in 1978. crlbrg, Chewy, thx99 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 . Amer, thx99, Marian Schedenig and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 3 hours ago, TownerFan said: In the case of JW, he has always been very careful about what’s out there available to perform for orchestras, and the fact he spent such an amount of time supervising his Signature Series is a testament of how much he cares about these things, so we should consider ourselves already very lucky that he continues to put so much stuff out there. Sure, sometimes some choices can be questionable (like the original Star Wars trilogy concert suites that were withdrawn a few years ago, they were brilliant distillations of the three original films), but overall there’s a great breadth of selections available to build programs beyond the usual fare. Also, it looks like that only a few selected conductors/orchestras are granted permission to perform/record stuff that it’s not officially published, and I guess this is something totally up to JW to decide. Have they said they are being released with updates? the signature series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,326 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 All what was published so far would probably be part of my dream live program of John Williams' filmmusic at the concert hall and these are really good recordings. But when I want to listen to these pieces at home, which is the purpose of such a recording, I see not yet a reason why I would pick them over the original recordings, that I already have. But I am open to change my mind. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt S. 492 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 5 hours ago, TownerFan said: Also, it looks like that only a few selected conductors/orchestras are granted permission to perform/record stuff that it’s not officially published, and I guess this is something totally up to JW to decide. Indeed, I remember Keith Lockhart saying in an interview that JW had to approve all of the selections for Lights, Camera... Music! and that he even vetoed one or two pieces Keith wanted to include (he didn't say which, of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,624 Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 There's so many Williams compilations or rerecordings out there I'm sure 80% of them didn't ask Williams personal approval for each piece recorded. All we'll be getting here is the "safe" material like Flying Theme ,SW Main titles and Jurassic Park aimed at the casual public again and I'm sure JW has nothing to do with it .Probably they don't think it won't sell recording any the pieces in an my dream track list posted before. 7 hours ago, TownerFan said: What many people still don’t understand when it comes to record JW music (and film music in general) is that it’s not like you go to a library and rent whatever you like. Performing and recording film music is a complicated matter when it comes to availability of performable scores, plus in many cases it’s not even in the composer’s reach to decide what to put out there without striking some kind of deal first with the film company who owns the rights to the score. In the case of JW, he has always been very careful about what’s out there available to perform for orchestras, and the fact he spent such an amount of time supervising his Signature Series is a testament of how much he cares about these things, so we should consider ourselves already very lucky that he continues to put so much stuff out there. Sure, sometimes some choices can be questionable (like the original Star Wars trilogy concert suites that were withdrawn a few years ago, they were brilliant distillations of the three original films), but overall there’s a great breadth of selections available to build programs beyond the usual fare. Also, it looks like that only a few selected conductors/orchestras are granted permission to perform/record stuff that it’s not officially published, and I guess this is something totally up to JW to decide. Your always trying to "selflessly" side with what you imagine Williams himself might think and that we should be grateful for everything even if it's the same thing for the 1000th time . I think it's a bit moralizing to the fans. There's plenty of this concert arrangements that could be recorded and that he wrote and approved himself like PoA, Irina's Theme, new Han solo and the Princess... It's disappointing in 2021 to get another compilation with the greatests hits like Catch Me if you Can and Rey's Theme. I understand there's reasons they want it that way but if your going to do a big project like this you should try to check what's been done in the past 5 years and try to offer something sought after by the fans. Out of 100 minutes if 3 pieces are from my fake track list I'll be happy. not too much to ask Bayesian, Chewy and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 2 hours ago, King Mark said: There's so many Williams compilations or rerecordings out there I'm sure 80% of them didn't ask Williams personal approval for each piece recorded. All we'll be getting here is the "safe" material like Flying Theme ,SW Main titles and Jurassic Park aimed at the casual public again and I'm sure JW has nothing to do with it . As far as I understand, if it's been published, you just get the parts from the publisher, declare what you want to do with them (i.e. record and sell the performance), and pay the resulting fees. Then you can record and sell your performance, and Williams gets his share. No need for asking Williams personally, because that's what the publisher is for. If it hasn't been published, that won't work (obviously). Instead, you either get approval from Williams (and perhaps, if he's supportive, also sheet music). Or you get hold of the sheet music in some other, "unofficial" way, or transcribe it yourself, produce an unlicensed recording, and hope Williams won't care. 2 hours ago, King Mark said: Probably they don't think it won't sell recording any the pieces in an my dream track list posted before. And they're probably right. Not many people buy this stuff. Recordings are expensive. And even if the parts are available, getting them plus recording rights can be expensive, too. TownerFan and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,624 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 For the Lights Camera Music c.d. Williams was probably involved because he was recording Spielberg/Williams collaboration part 3 at the same time and was meant to be a companion c.d. .And it still contained a lot of holy grail tracks. Now this new compilation would have been an amazing opportunity not to recycle the same greatest hits tracks we have countless recordings of especially in the last 5 years .(Dudamel c.d., LSO) Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 I doubt a lot that Williams vetoed any tracks for Lights, Camera, Music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 You don't believe Lockhart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 All I’m saying is that there are always a lot of rumors regarding Williams (over-) involvement in any release that bears his name or is connected to a franchise he’s worked at. I might believe that Lockhart asked Williams for his input, and they had a discussion about it. Williams might have suggested what he thought would work and what wouldn’t, and of course Lockhart would respect that. That’s not the same as vetoed, though. But if there’s a quote, and an official source and interview, where Lockhart says some tracks were vetoed by Williams, then yes, I’ll believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Vetoed could mean that JW simply expressed a wish, which of course Lockhart respected. crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 To veto is not to “express a wish”. At least not by the definition of the word. What you’re suggesting is dialogue. Which, was my point, that I find “dialogue/expressing a wish” more likely to have happened than anything being “vetoed”. Maybe Lockhart consulted JW on the set list, and - if that happened - then Lockhart respected his wishes. A decision being vetoed, is a much harsher process. And I also doubt that Williams could - legally - veto a piece out of a live performance. He’d have no legal right, assuming that the producers paid the appropriate fees and had cleared all legal permissions, copyright etc. So, I’m not saying that Williams absolutely did not have an influence on the set list. I’m only objecting to the use of the word “veto”. So, did he “veto” something? Probably not. Might he have “expressed a wish” and Lockhart listened? Maybe. But show me the source and I’ll change my mind. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/veto Edit: Even if Lockhart did say that Williams “vetoed” some cues, I’d still take that lightly. If that quote exists, maybe he wanted to convey that Williams actually had “expressed a wish”, and then Lockhart used the word “veto” more as an expression than its actual meaning. Kind of like when you say “traffic was murder”. You don’t actually mean it was murder. But you get the point across. 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Vetoed could mean that JW simply expressed a wish, which of course Lockhart respected. So, if that’s what you meant, then yeah. And if that is what you meant, then it is also exactly what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Lockhart probably forgot to check the dictionary before using the word. On 10/18/2017 at 9:25 PM, Matt S. said: What I’m more curious about are what pieces were left off of Volume 1. Lockhart said in an interview that the album was created in consultation with Williams, and in fact there were a few selections Lockhart wanted to record, but Williams vetoed them. He didn’t say what they were, but I wonder if AI or The Lost World were among them. I still find it odd they were left of Spielberg/Williams III, in favor of two renditions of the same melody from Lincoln. Don't know which interview he's referring to. It's not mentioned in TownerFan's interview. On 10/19/2017 at 4:17 AM, Amer said: Maybe these titles were vetoed because they might have clashed with his new Spielberg album at that time. Sounds plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Well, here’s to hoping that there’ll be a Lights, Camera, Music Vol. 2 and that Williams doesn’t veto any rare tracks! 😉 Amer and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Lights, Camera, Music! Vol. 2: The Vetoed Tracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, rough cut said: Well, here’s to hoping that there’ll be a Lights, Camera, Music Vol. 2 and that Williams doesn’t veto any rare tracks! 😉 I vaguely remember Lockhart was considering it but the ongoing certainly messed up the plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 ...or it was vetoed by JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Lights, Camera, Music! Vol. 2: The Vetoed Tracks Subtitled, “I Passed For White - Why Williams got vetoed and me-tooed.” Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt S. 492 Posted March 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2021 To be clear, "veto" was my word, not Keith Lockhart's, and I apologize. Never meant to cause any confusion! I did find the interview in question, it was from the podcast "The Answered Question" from WCRB, with Brian McCreath. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-74-keith-lockhart-and-charles-dutoit/id1046679914?i=1000385851331 Around the 7:45 mark, here is Lockhart's exact quote: "...We brought them up to John, because of course we wanted his blessing on anything we--, some of the things I honestly think he didn't remember, because you do 110 films, you're gonna remember everything? But occasionally there would be something where he'd say, 'Hmm, no, I never really liked that,' in which case we X'd it off our list." So, no, it's not as if the recordings were in the can and JW came along with a big red stamp that said NO! But it does sound as though there may have been different selections on the album, had they not consulted with him. Jurassic Shark, crlbrg, rough cut and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crlbrg 381 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Matt S. said: I did find the interview in question, it was from the podcast "The Answered Question" from WCRB, with Brian McCreath. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-74-keith-lockhart-and-charles-dutoit/id1046679914?i=1000385851331 Ooh, another podcast to check out! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cuartosur 12 Posted March 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2021 https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Kevin-Griffiths-Light-Symphony-Orchestra/dp/B08YP7GKCK/ rough cut, Jurassic Shark, crlbrg and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 FINALLY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 At least it's got the Temple of Doom End Credits! Edit: Strange that all HP tracks except one is grouped together. The Tintin tracks could also have been together. Disc 1 1 Overture (From "The Cowboys") 2 End Credits (From "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom") 3 Main Theme (From "Jurassic Park") 4 The Flight to Neverland (From "Hook") 5 The Chamber of Secrets (From "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets ") 6 Fawkes the Phoenix (From "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets") 7 Witches, Wands and Wizards (From "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban") 8 The Duel (From "The Adventures of Tintin. The Secret of the Unicorn") 9 March (From "Superman") 10 Star Wars - The Force Awakens (Suite for Orchestra): I. March of the Resistance 11 Star Wars - The Force Awakens (Suite for Orchestra): II. Rey's Theme 12 Star Wars - The Force Awakens (Suite for Orchestra): III. Scherzo for X-Wings 13 Star Wars - The Force Awakens (Suite for Orchestra): IV. The Jedi Steps & Finale Disc 2 1 Theme (From "JFK") 2 Escapades (From "Catch Me If You Can") For Alto Saxophone & Orchestra: I. Closing in 3 Escapades (From "Catch Me If You Can") For Alto Saxophone & Orchestra: II. Reflections 4 Escapades (From "Catch Me If You Can") For Alto Saxophone & Orchestra: III. Joy Ride 5 Main Theme (From "Born on the Fourth of July") 6 Viktor’s Tale (From "The Terminal") 7 Opening Credits (From "The Adventures of Tintin. The secret of the unicorn") 8 Nimbus 2000 (From "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone") Amer and crlbrg 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 It looks like a good ”classic” Williams selection which is never bad, even though, as a JWfan, one might’ve hoped for more. I am looking forward to hearing a new, good recording of the Superman march, though. That always puts a smile on my face. Mattris and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: 7 Witches, Wands and Wizards (From "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban") This would be the first recording after The City of Prague one, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 54 minutes ago, carlborg said: This would be the first recording after The City of Prague one, right? I was wondering about that. 1 hour ago, rough cut said: It looks like a good ”classic” Williams selection which is never bad, even though, as a JWfan, one might’ve hoped for more. At least there's no E.T. and CE3K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 That finale looks very anticlimactic. I like the Tintin main titles and Nimbus 2000 but come on, put the TFA suite at the end, finish disc 1 with Escapades! And yeah, kinda meh. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,280 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 30 minutes ago, Holko said: That finale looks very anticlimactic. I like the Tintin main titles and Nimbus 2000 but come on, put the TFA suite at the end, finish disc 1 with Escapades! And yeah, kinda meh. I'm wondering if there aren't some tracks missing on the second disc listing here... the second disc has only slightly more than half as many as the first, and looking at the selections, I can't see those eight tracks would amount to more than 45/50 minutes whereas the first is well over an hour (just rough estimates here). In other words, the remaining 20/25 minutes on disc 2 is pretty much the ideal space for CE3K and ET. Of course, it's all just speculation... ;-) Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Or a suite from I Passed for White. Tom Guernsey and Holko 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 It’s great to see a two-disc set that appears to be aiming for a sort of comprehensivity. I’m not sure there’s been one of those since the Sony Greatest Hits 1969-1999 double album. That program is still the gold standard for an overview of Williams’ career if you ask me, but it misses Potter and the rest of the 2000s, so this set of pieces is a nice alternate “best-of,” with a deeper focus on certain newer works like Potter, Escapades, and the sequel trilogy coming at the expense of more one-off inclusions like Munich, War Horse, or most of the early ‘70s. I think those focused suites are a good idea, though, since it helps this release avoid becoming a straight-up retread of Spielberg/Williams 3. If not for that decision, we wouldn’t have new recordings of “Fawkes” or the Tintin main titles. Meanwhile, if we ever get a true Williams rarities album, it’ll probably have to be a Kickstarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Yeah, but, also, no “Jaws”, no “Schindler’s List”, no “Star Wars” except “TFA”. Hmm... Maybe this is meant to be a “beginners” JWFan’s second CD compilation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,280 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, rough cut said: Yeah, but, also, no “Jaws”, no “Schindler’s List”, no “Star Wars” except “TFA”. Hmm... Maybe this is meant to be a “beginners” JWFan’s second CD compilation? Still think Amazon is missing some of the second CD tracks... it's happened before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 392 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Excited to hear their performance of Witches, Wands and Wizards vs the City of Prague version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 15 hours ago, rough cut said: It looks like a good ”classic” Williams selection which is never bad, even though, as a JWfan, one might’ve hoped for more. That's an understatement. This album is not for me. I have enough "classic" Williams compilations already, and I tend to listen to the OSTs anyway most of the time. But I'm sure it will find a wider, more general audience. rough cut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 And to make matters even worse, it looks like this label uses digipak instead of jewel case for their albums... be prepared to receive damaged goods, at least if ordering from Amazon! Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,326 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 13 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: Still think Amazon is missing some of the second CD tracks... it's happened before. I don't think so. It looks like the first disk contains the full orchestra pieces and the second disk has rather the special pieces with the soloists and with chamber ensembles like opening credits of Tintin and Nimbus 2000 (if this is the arrangement from the suite). I guess that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,299 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 If you could only choose one suite from Azkaban, why would you choose the one that's just a straight medley of film cues instead of the rarely performed alternate arrangement of Window to the Past? Disappointing. Why is it so hard to get studio recordings of the updated Han Solo and the Princess, The Lost World, Irina's Theme, anything from WOTW, AI... About the only takeaway for me is the Cowboys suite. I can live without the 4th re-recording of bloody Viktor's Tale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, crumbs said: If you could only choose one suite from Azkaban, why would you choose the one that's just a straight medley of film cues instead of the rarely performed alternate arrangement of Window to the Past?! Because it contains the most important themes from the score? 5 minutes ago, crumbs said: Apparently it's just too hard to get modern studio recordings of the updated Han Solo and the Princess Ziegler says hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Because it contains the most important themes from the score? The only theme it contains is the Sirius bit in Quidditch, Third Year, I think. Otherwise it's a weird assortment of unique standalone cues barely kept together with scotch tape. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, crumbs said: About the only takeaway here is the Cowboys suite What about the Temple end credits and Tintin main title? 8 minutes ago, Holko said: The only theme it contains is the Sirius bit in Quidditch, Third Year, I think. Otherwise it's a weird assortment of unique standalone cues barely kept together with scotch tape. By themes I meant melodies songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,299 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: What about the Temple end credits and Tintin main title? Depends if it has the unreleased section with Short Round's Theme. And I'm not a big listener of Tintin. If I need to hear the opening titles, I'll just listen to the OST. I can't listen to his concert suite of Irena's Theme anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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