Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 The best of the runners up, so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Probably someone like Basil Poledouris, only in the sense I wouldn't place him in the top echelon next to composers like Williams, Goldsmith, Hermann, Waxman, etc. I would consider him to be second tier, instead of second rate, which to my ear has a more negative connotation Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 Thanks, that's what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 10/11/2020 at 3:54 PM, Romão said: Probably someone like Basil Poledouris, only in the sense I wouldn't place him in the top echelon next to composers like Williams, Goldsmith, Hermann, Waxman, etc. That's a choice I could have landed on myself. For the sake of diversity, I think I'll say Don Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I'm not quite sure how to interpret this. My top list, i.e. everyone on my top list after Williams? Composers from, let's say, my 25th place and beyond?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,520 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 To use a soccer metaphor: those composers that you would consider League One, as opposed to the Premier League. Of course, it's all subjective. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 I'm referring to film composers that you recognize as not being among the top quality composers, but which you appreciate nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 It's a tough call. I would have to list all the composers in my iTunes collection, and then rank them according to how many scores I own, and a general assessment. And then I would need to put up a random line that delineates 'Premier League' from 'Championship' somewhere. I'm not sure I'm able, but I'll think about it. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,357 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I might not be up to date since these might already be counted as top league composers. But would name here for sure Dario Marianelli and maybe Abel Korzeniowski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: I might not be up to date since these might already be counted as top league composers. It's your opinion that matters in this thread, not the general consensus. 32 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: But would name here for sure Dario Marianelli I feel similar about him. 47 minutes ago, Thor said: It's a tough call. I would have to list all the composers in my iTunes collection, and then rank them according to how many scores I own, and a general assessment. And then I would need to put up a random line that delineates 'Premier League' from 'Championship' somewhere. I'm not sure I'm able, but I'll think about it. Jeez, no need to do a thesis on it. Just give us your gut feeling. John Debney, perhaps? GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I've been really digging Daniel Pemberton's work recently. I don't consider him top tier, but I have really enjoyed some of his recent works. I also like Rob Simonsen, he does a lot of more feel-good, chill scores and they're great to listen to on road trips and just in general. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Shark! You should know better than to ask THOR for a LIST!😠 Basil would be considered top- tier by knowledgeable fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: You should know better than to ask THOR for a LIST! What are you talking about? I specifically told him not to give a list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: What are you talking about? I specifically told him not to give a list! You don't have to ask. You're gonna get one. You should know better!😗 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Actually, Bruce, I love lists these days. But I have problems here, because my brain collapses without specific parameters. I would first need to define what is 'top tier' and what is 'second tier'. You won't find John Debney in my top 10, but probably top 50 due to a handful of great pastiche scores. But my top 50 are most likely all great composers, and I would feel uncomfortable naming any of them 'second tier'. So this is a bit of a rabbit hole of a topic for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Thor said: You won't find John Debney in my top 10, but probably top 50 due to a handful of great pastiche scores. I'd say exactly that makes him second tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 OK, so now we're narrowing things in. Composers below the top 25, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 Let's say, especially for you, the greatest pastiche composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I'd say exactly that makes him second tier. Fourth tier. It has 5 be subjective I.e. who do YOU consider SECOND tier. And, how does the industry rate them. For example, Silvestri and Elfman might be considered second tier by some fans, but certainly NOT by the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 Who's your favourite film composer that you consider second-tier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 This question makes zero sensem 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Who's your favourite film composer that you consider second-tier? Its like saying , who is your favorite soccer team that you don't root for. I refuse to participate in this nonsense. Beethoven is my favorite classical composer who I don't have any recordings of their work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 Are you saying you're only able to appreciate the best, and not the second best? Here, Richard has already dumbed down the question for you. 3 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: To use a soccer metaphor: those composers that you would consider League One, as opposed to the Premier League. Of course, it's all subjective. 3 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: I refuse to participate in this If only. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I don't follower soccer or futbol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 Me neither, but I'm able to understand the comparison nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 What is a second-tier composer? Is it like a second-tier JWFan, by example, like @Naïve Old Fart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Howard Shore, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 I thought he's one of your favourites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Zimmer, Giacchino Shore, pretty much everyone working are all 2nd or 3rd terr composers. Like A blind pig they all have moments of clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 So these three are your favourite second tiers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Thor and Shark on their way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 That one doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 50 minutes ago, Bespin said: What is a second-tier composer? Is it like a second-tier JWFan, by example, like @Naïve Old Fart? Shark has slipped down to THIRD tier after this idiotic topic!😝 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: That one doesn't exist. Does Thor know that!😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,070 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 I can see why you got banned from FSM. Matt S. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: I can see why you got banned from FSM. I got banned for linking to EBAY. 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,357 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Who's your favourite film composer that you consider second-tier? I must confess before all the additional explanations my first Interpretation of the question was "Who is your second favourite composer after John Williams?" Because he might be for fans like us a league of his own, tier 1. Everything else tier 2. Fabulin and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 That makes even less sense than Shark's ' explanation'. 😎 GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 https://tiermaker.com/create/composers-ranked-by-their-film-scores-482983 Bernard Herrmann? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 How about Joel McNeely? He’s never scored a super big hit movie or had many (any?) awards but his writing is tuneful and enjoyable. Yes a lot of his earlier work is perilously close to others but he uses what he borrows to great advantage and is rarely less than listenable. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 The definition of second rate/tier . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 / 3? 2 oz of vodka 3 oz of Coke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,436 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Let's see. Abel Korzeniowski did my favorite TV score ever, for Penny Dreadful, and some great works in film. Dario Marianelli surely deserved that Oscar, his score for Atonement is very touching. And I really like V for Vendetta and some other works from him. I also like some stuff from Carter Burwell, Clint Mansell, Don Davis, Ed Shearmur, Christopher Young, Fernando Velazquez, Johan Söderqvist, Mychael Danna, Roque Baños, Patrick Doyle... Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Michael Giacchino. I'm not knocking him. He has some great moments but I never considered him in the leaguer of Williams, Horner, Goldsmith... Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,357 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I never considered Horner one the league with Williams or Goldsmith. But what do I know. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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