KK 3,307 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, SteveMc said: Could someone point me to the Delerue source piece mentioned earlier in the thread? SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 More than similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Yes it is in minor and it has a choir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 The introduction is very similar and the overall tone is reminiscent of the Delerue piece, but that's about the extent of it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Spielberg seems to love Delerue, as Williams is the second composer after Quincy Jones 6 years earlier guided into a nearly identical clone (meaning the Hook soundtrack version). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 796 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 At first I found it very similar to Agnes Of God, but after having listened to both pieces occasionally for a couple of years now, I find that The Face Of Pan clearly has its own, unique melodic core and its own story to tell. Influenced? Of course. Copy? No. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,281 Posted October 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2020 This 2013 revision of The Face Of Pan is now available on the new "World Soundtrack Awards: Tribute to the Film Composer" album, meaning it is available to stream free on your music service of choice! The album can be purchased on physical CD here: https://shop.filmfestival.be/collections/cd or here: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08JKYK685 The album cam be purchased or streamed digitally at all the usual sites: https://music.apple.com/us/album/world-soundtrack-awards-tribute-to-the-film-composer/1536002535 https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/album/world-soundtrack-awards-tribute-to-the-film-composer-brussells-philharmonic-dirk-brosse/t8vgufc0r5m1b https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5f8de240fda45f2dc995dff3 https://open.spotify.com/album/4tVlGlYqnquSa1kwR0pcL7?si=ASo_l1r8TLO9zdOqKUUUzw etc Film Fest Ghent, crumbs, WampaRat and 2 others 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Well, this is one of my favourite cues from Williams of all time. I've had a couple of weeks to listen to it, and I quite enjoy it. They've got the pastoral colour down. But my favourite remains the version on the WILLIAMS ON WILLIAMS compilation (which also happens to be one of my favourite compilations of all time, regardless of composer). Dr. Rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I think this cue is not available in my country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 well just use spotify then, youtube is just one option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 This is kind of excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 This might be beating a dead horse. “You Are the Pan/Face of Pan” is one of my favorite tracks of all time (of ANY score). I was surprised to find how similar it was to George Delures material from 1985s “Agnes of God”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Anything bittersweet sounds like Delerue. But I've always found that connection overrated. The THE COLOR PURPLE/OUR MOTHER'S HOUSE connection, on the other hand... WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Overrated? What are you talking about? It’s basically the same piece! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 There's at least one different note! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 They're both pastoral/bittersweet. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Harmonic progressions and melodies do have similarities. Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted October 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2020 There are plenty of cases of sound-alike cues whose similarities are overrated, but at least for the first 20 seconds, "The Face of Pan" & Agnes of God isn't one of them. I mean, the opening few measures of FoP are so clearly modeled on the Delerue -- right down to the voicing of chords -- that you could practically overlay them and it would still work. They're not carbon copies of course, but the churchy progression, upper-voice melody, orchestration, and texture is the same. The differences aren't enough to obscure the similarities, but they do exist: a slightly slower harmonic rhythm in Delerue; a more interesting harp part for Williams; a 2nd rather than 1st inversion EM chord in Williams; and the not-trivial fact that the phrase leads to C#m for JW vs. parallel minor of Em for Delerue. After that introductory musical paragraph, it's a more general orchestrational and affective similarity, like @Thor says, than a concrete melodic one. But, still, some pretty clear temp-trackitis throughout. I say this all while still holding "The Face of Pan" to be one of Williams's best lyrical set-pieces of his whole career. It's a masterpiece.The first concert arrangement, in particular, is practically perfect in my mind. This newer arrangement is an odd misfire to me. I don't like the sparser harp texture at 0:23, and think the new modulation at 1:49 is really ungainly. Worst, the sublime brass chorale from the original concert arr is inexplicably rewritten so as to lead less effectively to the resumption of the main theme at 2:25. In general, I think when Williams redoes a concert arrangement it's hit or miss; something like the new, positively transformative "Han Solo and the Princess" and "Across the Stars" is like rediscovering the theme anew, whereas the revised "Hymn to the Fallen" sounds almost like a violation of the original to me. All, of course, a matter of personal taste. (And overlearning the original too probably, I confess!) Jurassic Shark, SteveMc, Arpy and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 One of my favorite JW pieces. This new recording is nice and clear but it sounds a bit drier than the JW recording I am used to. Still, wonderful overall. The new, moodier passages are quite interesting. They give the piece a new character. Ar the same time, this new arrangement seems to soar a little lower than the original. I feel like a similar thing happened with JW's new arrangement of Han and the Princess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 33 minutes ago, artguy360 said: One of my favorite JW pieces. This new recording is nice and clear but it sounds a bit drier than the JW recording I am used to. Still, wonderful overall. The new, moodier passages are quite interesting. They give the piece a new character. Ar the same time, this new arrangement seems to soar a little lower than the original. I feel like a similar thing happened with JW's new arrangement of Han and the Princess. I think JW's just trended towards much more restrained scoring since the completion of the Star Wars prequels. ROTS was really his last "big" score; he never recaptured that level of operatic, musical gradeur in the scores that followed (with some fleeting exceptions in the Star Wars sequels, like The Spark or the celebration portion of Farewell). Not sure if that's a reflection of his evolving writing style or just the films he's scored (the likes of Munich, Lincoln & The Post clearly call for restraint) but there's still a marked difference between, say, KOCS and TLC, or TFA and TPM, or Amistad and The Post. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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