Popular Post Giftheck 916 Posted December 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2021 I would have gone further. I think Beyond is one of his best works to date. I just love the Yorktown Theme, it gave me serious Goldsmith-TMP vibes. leeallen01, Cerebral Cortex and Arpy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,383 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 9 hours ago, superultramegaa said: Damn boys. We've been outwitted and foiled again. I'm glad you noticed. It took me a long time to come up with that. This is a little more considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bored 309 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Yeah, I saw your other post too. I just prefer the operatic and symbolic way that Elfman composed his themes rather than the "jack of all trades master of none" approach that I personally feel Giacchino often falls into with his themes. He's good at making them work for all purposes, but the consequence of it is I often don't remember the melodies all too well, or if I do they often just don't resonate with me and feel a bit too much like he's trying to emulate other composers. With some exceptions such as The Incredibles, Star Trek, and Up. Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: Wow I don't think that's the universal opinion on his Trek scores. I love the third score, and he was clearly inspired enough to come up with the best theme of the trilogy for it! I know it's not universal, just my own opinion. I don't know how would have sound a third planet of the Apes by Gia but for me it's the same Dawn is good, full of promises and War is great To which theme are you referring? Thank your Lucky Star Date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted December 22, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2021 The Yorktown Theme Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Giftheck, Cerebral Cortex and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Jaylah's Theme is great too: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted December 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2021 I’m just disappointed that Gia didn’t use the bridge attack scene as an opportunity to unleash Doc Ock’s full theme. His handling of previous themes were tepid at best. Damien F, Edmilson, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 12 hours ago, Giftheck said: I would have gone further. I think Beyond is one of his best works to date. I just love the Yorktown Theme, it gave me serious Goldsmith-TMP vibes. That is crazy to me. The Yorktown Theme is perhaps his best theme to date, but the rest of the score is...bland and boring. Maybe the final cue is pretty good too. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 23, 2021 Author Share Posted December 23, 2021 On 22/12/2021 at 8:46 PM, Alex said: I’m just disappointed that Gia didn’t use the bridge attack scene as an opportunity to unleash Doc Ock’s full theme. His handling of previous themes were tepid at best. Maybe he wanted to, but the film's director, or some executive mandate from Sony or Disney, told him not to. We don't know how the creative process went down here. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 36 minutes ago, Jay said: Maybe he wanted to, but the film's director, or some executive mandate from Sony or Disney, told him not to. We don't know how the creative. Process went down here. Seems like it would be a Kevin Fiege since he has a history of stupid musical decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,383 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Not Mr. Big said: Seems like it would be a Kevin Fiege since he has a history of stupid musical decisions I thought it was the other fellow. The one who said nobody wanted to see a Black Widow movie. After Feige got full control you actually started to see composers return for sequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 989 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 It weirds me out how much Sony doesn't enter the conversation when it comes to discussing the creative choices of this iteration of Spidey, since it mainly is their crew in charge (even with Feige still likely having final say on the whole project). Add TASM2 to the equation, and that might start to explain things a bit better. Then again, Amy Pascal was the one who insisted on the rescores for SM3, so maybe it is just the times we're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 3 hours ago, HunterTech said: Then again, Amy Pascal was the one who insisted on the rescores for SM3, so maybe it is just the times we're in. Was it? I thought that was at least partly down to Raimi, especially after what happened with Spider-Man 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 989 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Giftheck said: Was it? I thought that was at least partly down to Raimi, especially after what happened with Spider-Man 2. In an interview around the release of the film, Young specifically attributed her (plus the other execs at Sony) for making that particular choice. It came so late that Lurie and Debney were working at the same time he was doing cues for the climax. Chris mentioned Raimi and Bob Murawski had no issues with what he had composed for the film. And sure enough, his original work got to be restored in not just one, but two recent re-releases of the film (Editor's Cut, 4K version), suggesting there was enough affinity for the material to keep finalized film mixes around after so many years. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddddeeee 247 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Yeah, Raimi was completely happy with Young's new material, which is a bit odd considering he was so obsessed with Elfman's love theme that he put it in scenes it really didn't belong - like Aunt May's hero speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 989 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Might be having your themes mixed up there, since I'm sure Alone from SM1 was always meant to signify Peter and May's relationship. In the case of 3, I get some of it more had to do with them running out of time and thus needing to keep the temp in places, but it does bug me to hear it in spots like the transition to the scene with Peter and Harry in the mansion, and the whole break up sequence. Though it's at its most egregious when Debney records a whole new rendition of it for the last Peter and May apartment scene, but they use the bloody recording from SM1 again! It's honestly ridiculous, since they effectively kept wasting money making new recordings, only to continue using the original one instead. bored 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 10 hours ago, Jay said: Maybe he wanted to, but the film's director, or some executive mandate from Sony or Disney, told him not to. We don't know how the creative. Process went down here. I’m hoping he did want to. It just seems weird for the Green Goblin to be one of the main villains, and to barely use his theme at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 23, 2021 Author Share Posted December 23, 2021 What? The Green Goblin's theme is used the most often out of all the returning themes! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bored 309 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, HunterTech said: Might be having your themes mixed up there, since I'm sure Alone from SM1 was always meant to signify Peter and May's relationship. Yeah, that's the problem. In SM2 Raimi tracked "Getting Through" from Spider-Man 1 in the scene where Aunt May gives the speech on Spider-Man to Peter. He did use "Alone" as well earlier in that scene, but the speech itself had the love theme for some reason (I guess because some people love Spider-Man?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 23, 2021 Author Share Posted December 23, 2021 Just realized there's a 4th theme / motif in the score: "World's Worst Friendly Neighbor" and "Ghost Fighter In The Sky" share the same melodies No idea what it could possibly represent, since the first cue covers the first scene in the movie, which is just Peter reacting to the reveal of his identity, hopping down, and taking off with MJ, while the second cue is just some shots of him swinging through the woods by the electricity lines and Ned opening Dr Strange's fridge. I guess just a "moving things along" kind of motif? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: What? The Green Goblin's theme is used the most often out of all the returning themes! I mean… four times in a 2 1/2 hour movie. Spoiler Considering the amount of screen time Willem Dafoe had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 23, 2021 Author Share Posted December 23, 2021 I don't really follow what you're saying. He only appears in maybe 5-6 scenes in the movie, so that 4 cues exist with his theme is pretty good IMO. It is a bummer none of the best ones are on the OST album, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: Just realized there's a 4th theme / motif in the score: "World's Worst Friendly Neighbor" and "Ghost Fighter In The Sky" share the same melodies No idea what it could possibly represent, since the first cue covers the first scene in the movie, which is just Peter reacting to the reveal of his identity, hopping down, and taking off with MJ, while the second cue is just some shots of him swinging through the woods by the electricity lines and Ned opening Dr Strange's fridge. I guess just a "moving things along" kind of motif? It’s the scene motif! It plays whenever there’s a scene in a movie. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 23, 2021 Author Share Posted December 23, 2021 The back cover of the physical CD has been added to the Canadian and European Amazon listings Still no sign of a physical CD for the USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Can’t imagine why, it seems very popular here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2021 I like the optimistic music that plays when Spoiler Tobey and Andrew Garfield go home but then of course it leads to the dreaded Gia Spider Man theme Evanus, Kasey Kockroach, bored and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 989 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 5 hours ago, superultramegaa said: Yeah, that's the problem. In SM2 Raimi tracked "Getting Through" from Spider-Man 1 in the scene where Aunt May gives the speech on Spider-Man to Peter. He did use "Alone" as well earlier in that scene, but the speech itself had the love theme for some reason (I guess because some people love Spider-Man?) Huh. I kind of dread rewatching the film again for this reason, having gotten myself more acquainted with the original score recently. bored 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bored 309 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 3 hours ago, HunterTech said: Huh. I kind of dread rewatching the film again for this reason, having gotten myself more acquainted with the original score recently. Yeah, I ended up making my own edit of the film for that reason as well. Unfortunately it wasn't 4k or anything so the original music is still semi-audible for some scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Chrisitian Clemmensen is meh on the score. https://www.filmtracks.com/titles/spiderman_no_home.html He trashes Gia for not using the Elfman and Horner themes more prominently. I think that's a fair criticism, something I myself raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2021 I've seen a lot of people wishing that the old themes had been used more and then others saying that they were used quite frequently because the themes appeared in multiple moments, are present in cues X,Y,Z etc. I think what most people who wished for more usage of the old themes are saying is that they wish the themes had been more present and more involved in the musical fabric of the film. People of course may have different interpretations of how that is achieved. For me at least, that means that, for one, themes aren't just reprised briefly and verbatim and then discarded with for the rest of the cue. Yes, it's nice that Horner's theme is in there. It's neat that Elfman's Spidey and Responsibility themes are used. But if you quote them more or less directly in these very isolated ways, there's not much impact to really be had from them. Doc Ock's theme is in there, Goblin's theme is in there, but usually in these very brief statements that never fully state the theme and that never really feel like their power is fully-harnessed (the bridge fight with Ock being a bit of an exception IMO). It feels very surface-level. They're in there, they exist within the music of the film, but they don't really feel like they're woven into the score. And if you're gonna go to the trouble of having them back, why use them hardly at all? That's not to say there aren't cool variations of old themes, sure. But, I think something that goes a long ways is to have those themes actually interact with one another, not just exist in these standalone snippets. Young did this superbly in the climactic end fight of Spider-Man 3, even despite quite a few in-film edits that hack at the score. You have Sandman's theme building and then falling to make way for Spidey's theme before being interrupted by Venom's theme which transitions back to Sandman's theme into New Goblin's theme, etc. Themes play individually, sometimes together, but always in powerful and memorable ways that ebb and flow with a musical momentum that is mirrored on-screen, in addition to appearing based on who currently has the upper hand. The musical themes are an active part of the film and are working supplemental to the visuals to heighten the emotional response. They do not just appear briefly for a few seconds for mostly inconsequential impact. Some have argued that the final fight in NWH is edited in such a way that to do something similar musically for the climax would have been very messy, and I really don't think that's the case. The film if anything presents itself in a way to make such an approach easier, with villains kinda awkwardly being introduced one-by-one and never once being featured all at together. And, honestly, how great would it have been to have had all 3 Spidey themes weaving (webbing?) in and out of one another during the final fight? It's not impossible, it just takes effort and is admittedly harder. It's made all the more upsetting when Giacchino actually does this really well earlier in the film during the Strange/Spidey altercation. None of this is meant to come across as entitlement. It's Giacchino's score, he can do what he wants. He doesn't owe us anything. I think his heart was ultimately in the right place. He didn't have to bring back any of these themes, but it was cool he did and I'm happy for it. I'm more just trying to explain I think why people are disappointed with the usage of older themes from my own perspective. I also agree with the idea that, as this is Holland's film, his theme should, whether you like it or not, be front and center. But when you choose to beat us over the head with it in almost every major moment of potentially emotional consequence in the final act... Spoiler (the rooftop Spidey scene, all 3 Spideys swinging together, the spell being cast a 2nd time, making the new suit and the final swing), in addition to using it in weird spots like when Garfield's Spidey is swinging around and trying to grab a cure before handing it to Holland's Spidey... ...It starts to lose its effectiveness. It becomes a Force theme/Last Jedi situation. You hear it so much that it doesn't really mean anything. And ideally a good theme allows you to forge this emotional connection to what it is the theme is representing, a connection that becomes undermined when it starts to be used for things the theme isn't meant to really represent on-screen. Drawgoon, Knight of Ren, TheUlyssesian and 10 others 8 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,383 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 I don't agree with all of it. But that was a really thoughtful post. @Cerebral Cortexthanks! TSMefford and Cerebral Cortex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 312 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 I loved the film, feel mixed on the score...it didn’t feature old themes as integrally as it should have, it was as fun as Gia’s last two Spidey scores (except for the Strange cues), it just felt lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brónach 1,302 Posted December 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2021 For me, it's not only the overuse, but that I actually dislike Gia's Spider-Man theme. Of course Goblin's theme appears the most, he's the only villain here brought to do something. Well I guess the others are discovering about the death thing to motivate the plot. It's a pity they don't have Doc Ock surprised at the name "Dr Connors" lol Not Mr. Big, Bilbo and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Yorktown for me is his best theme of his career. Of course emotionally he has achieved greater heights with his major themes for LOST. And wacky complexity in some of his Jupiter Ascending themes, but Giacchino's career seems to be too full of 'taking over the mantle' of other composers' great works. - Spiderman - Batman - Star Trek - Star Wars - Let the Right One In - Apes Trilogy. Etc etc And all those types of works are ultimately compared directly to iconic beloved works, and are judged as being incapable of living up to them or sitting beside them as equals. But I believe his Yorktown theme is one of his great themes that sits comfortably on the same level as the best Star Trek thematic material and as great as some of Goldsmith's many Star Trek themes. It shows what Giacchino is truly capable of at the top of his game. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 21 hours ago, leeallen01 said: I believe his Yorktown theme is one of his great themes that sits comfortably on the same level as the best Star Trek thematic material and as great as some of Goldsmith's many Star Trek themes. It shows what Giacchino is truly capable of at the top of his game. It’s a good theme, but it is nowhere near that good. Gia will never rival Goldsmith or Horner at their best. He’s like the JJ Abrams of film scores. He can be a lot of fun, but his work is generally lacking in depth. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Eh? #speakforyourself 6 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: It’s a good theme, but it is nowhere near that good. Gia will never rival Goldsmith or Horner at their best. He’s like the JJ Abrams of film scores. He can be a lot of fun, but his work is generally lacking in depth. leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 On 25/12/2021 at 1:53 PM, leeallen01 said: I believe his Yorktown theme is one of his great themes that sits comfortably on the same level as the best Star Trek thematic material and as great as some of Goldsmith's many Star Trek themes. It shows what Giacchino is truly capable of at the top of his game. It's a good theme. But can I say its a bit oddly applied to a location. Maybe it might have been more resonant had it been applied to living things. I think the most resonant themes - in most cases - are resonant because they speak to a person or a people or a connection between persons/peoples. The greatest theme ever written for a location - Tara' theme - is arguably as much a theme for Scarlett as it is a theme for Tara. That outside the way, I don't think Gia can come close to matching the hey dey of Goldsmith's romanticism. I mean check out the sweep, scope and harmony of a piece like this. It has beauty and grandeur to spare but also feels like it actually represents an idea about the mystery and enigma of space - even though it is ostensibly a character theme. You have a competent theme from Gia, but nothing more than that I am afraid. Not Mr. Big and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 48 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: It's a good theme. But can I say its a bit oddly applied to a location Yeah. It's a good theme but it has no emotional resonance because its only purpose is to say "isn't this place awesome?!". It's like if Princess Leia's theme was about how awesome the Tantive IV was. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 2 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: It's a good theme. But can I say its a bit oddly applied to a location. Maybe it might have been more resonant had it been applied to living things. I think the most resonant themes - in most cases - are resonant because they speak to a person or a people or a connection between persons/peoples. The greatest theme ever written for a location - Tara' theme - is arguably as much a theme for Scarlett as it is a theme for Tara. That outside the way, I don't think Gia can come close to matching the hey dey of Goldsmith's romanticism. Ilia's Theme I mean check out the sweep, scope and harmony of a piece like this. It has beauty and grandeur to spare but also feels like it actually represents an idea about the mystery and enigma of space - even though it is ostensibly a character theme. You have a competent theme from Gia, but nothing more than that I am afraid. See, it's funny. Part of the reason I hold Gia's Yorktown theme in such high regard is because I feel it transcends being a competent surface-level theme and actually supplements the film emotionally (though I wish it was actually used more within it). I think I'd be quicker to agree with your location point were the location itself not representative of an idea. The Yorktown starbase is shown off as this idyllic utopian self-contained hub world where many different species of organisms are able to exist together in total harmony, in addition to being a technical marvel on an engineering level, and I think the theme nicely personifies musically those ideas of unity and peaceful co-existence in a way that isn't too on the nose. Arpy and leeallen01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 That's by no means a fair or accurate comparison, it's a theme for an idealistic place that has meaning within the film and the wider context of the franchise. 2 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: Yeah. It's a good theme but it has no emotional resonance because its only purpose is to say "isn't this place awesome?!". It's like if Princess Leia's theme was about how awesome the Tantive IV was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 @Jay Looks like the cd is slated to be released on the 14th of January here in the downunderverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 On 17/12/2021 at 7:56 PM, Mephariel said: That is kind of amusing in that Horner's theme always bothers me because it is basically the same as the Karate Kid theme that he scored earlier. I actually think Horner's theme is the weakest part of the score. The intelligence of that score is what astounds me the most. I wish more superhero scores are that intelligent. I have to ask: how are the main themes from Amazing Spider-Man and Karate Kid similar? I find nothing similar about them. Karate Kid and the “I See You” melody from Avatar, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 5 hours ago, NL197 said: I have to ask: how are the main themes from Amazing Spider-Man and Karate Kid similar? I find nothing similar about them. Karate Kid and the “I See You” melody from Avatar, sure. "Saving New York" around the 6:32 mark. "Journey to Spiritual Mountain" around the 2:57 mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 That's not the main theme, that's one brief moment in the score (for Karate Kid) and the actual main theme has far more in common with "I See You" / "Becoming One of The People / Becoming One With Neytiri" from Avatar. Honestly today I was listening to a bit of GLORY, and with all of this Spider-Man talk, I heard the 'Call To Arms' motif and started singing along: 'Spi-der-man' (Blow The Horn) 'Spi-der-man' (Play The Fife) - though the last word is a different note and then it goes in a different direction. I'll not be able to un-hear that now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 47 minutes ago, NL197 said: That's not the main theme, that's one brief moment in the score (for Karate Kid) and the actual main theme has far more in common with "I See You" / "Becoming One of The People / Becoming One With Neytiri" from Avatar. Honestly today I was listening to a bit of GLORY, and with all of this Spider-Man talk, I heard the 'Call To Arms' motif and started singing along: 'Spi-der-man' (Blow The Horn) 'Spi-der-man' (Play The Fife) - though the last word is a different note and then it goes in a different direction. I'll not be able to un-hear that now! Main theme or not, it bothers me that it shows up in a critical moment of Spider-Man's main action pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted December 29, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2021 So it turns out there's about 104 minutes of music in the final cut (not counting the Dr Strange teaser) about 8 minutes of source music about 64 minutes of cues that are on the OST about 32 minutes of unreleased cues This means while watching the film, a whole third of the score you'll hear, is unreleased! It goes like this: Intro To Fake News (1:07) World's Worst Friendly Neighbor (0:36) I Zimbra (Talking Heads) (1:27) Native New Yorker (Odyssey) (0:09) Damage Control (0:53) UNRELEASED CUE #1 (0:43) UNRELEASED CUE #2 (0:33) Being A Spider Bites (0:46) Scraper (Liquid Liquid) (1:18) UNRELEASED CUE #3 (0:19) UNRELEASED CUE #4 (0:52) Gone In A Flash (1:46) UNRELEASED CUE #5 (0:19) All Spell Breaks Loose (3:27) UNRELEASED CUE #6 (0:34) Concerto for 2 Violins in G major, RV 516 (Vivaldi) (0:23) UNRELEASED CUE #7 (1:11) Otto Trouble (3:43) UNRELEASED CUE #8 (1:02) UNRELEASED CUE #9 (0:26) The Undercroft (0:28) Ghost Fighter In The Sky (0:53) UNRELEASED CUE #10 (1:04) Beach Blanket Bro Down (1:18) Strange Bedfellows (1:26) UNRELEASED CUE #11 (0:39) UNRELEASED CUE #12 (0:19) UNRELEASED CUE #13 (1:25) Unidentified Daily Bugle source (could be Giacchino) (0:13) UNRELEASED CUE #14 (3:17) Sling vs Bling & Deck The Halls (4:17) UNRELEASED CUE #15 (1:28) UNRELEASED CUE #16 (0:44) Octo Gone (3:19) UNRELEASED CUE #17 (0:29) UNRELEASED CUE #18 (2:27) No Good Deed (4:34) Exit Through The Lobby (4:08) UNRELEASED CUE #19 (0:39) UNRELEASED CUE #20 (0:38) UNRELEASED CUE #21 (0:59) Doom With A View (2:00) UNRELEASED CUE #22 (2:57) UNRELEASED CUE #23 (1:24) Spider Baiting (1:26) UNRELEASED CUE #24 (2:46) Liberty Parlance (1:25) Monster Smash (1:13) UNRELEASED CUE #25 (0:18) Arc Reactor (2:40) Shield of Pain (4:25) Goblin His Inner Demons (3:28) Forget Me Knots (6:45) UNRELEASED CUE #26 (0:44) UNRELEASED CUE #27 (2:04) UNRELEASED CUE #28 (1:35) Peter Parker Picked A Perilously Precarious Profession (1:29) The Magic Number (De La Soul) (2:33) Bailando Cumbia by Danny Osuna (1:39) Arachnoverture (7:03) There really is a lot of really good stuff in those 32 unreleased minutes! The interesting part is that a lot of the music on the OST is edited down for the final cut, like the film continued to be tightened and shortened after the score was recorded. Here's a list of the 25 cues on the OST with the film length listed after their OST length 01 Intro to Fake News (1:11) -> 1:07 02 World's Worst Friendly Neighbor (0:51) -> 0:36 03 Damage Control (2:17) -> 0:53 04 Being A Spider Bites (1:05) -> 0:46 05 Gone In A Flash (1:52) -> 1:46 06 All Spell Breaks Loose (3:25) -> 3:27 07 Otto Trouble (4:19) -> 3:43 23B "The Undercroft" (0:35) -> 0:28 08A Ghost Fighter In The Sky (1:11) -> 0:53 08B Beach Blanket Bro Down (1:36) -> 1:18 09 Strange Bedfellows (1:45) -> 1:26 10 Sling vs Bling (5:00) -> 4:47 11 Octo Gone (3:34) -> 3:19 12 No Good Deed (5:00) -> 4:34 13 Exit Through The Lobby (4:15) -> 4:08 14 A Doom With A View (2:00) -> 2:00 15 Spider Baiting (1:35) -> 1:26 16 Liberty Parlance (1:28) -> 1:25 17 Monster Smash (1:21) -> 1:13 18 Arc Reactor (2:57) -> 2:40 19 Shield of Pain (4:51) -> 4:25 20 Goblin His Inner Demons (3:54) -> 3:28 21 Forget Me Knots (6:49) -> 6:45 22 Peter Parker Picked A Perilously Precarious Profession (1:31) -> 1:29 23A Arachnoverture (9:31) -> 7:03 The drastic difference in Damage Control tells me he severely cut down the 1st act again. And every action scene until the finale ones got shortened after scoring. So if the fact that the 74 minute's worth of cues that made the OST got edited down to 64 minutes in the final cut, the 32 minutes of unreleased cues in the final cut could be edited down from maybe 37 minutes worth or more, plus who knows how much completely unused cues there are, and/or alternates that were recorded Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Cerebral Cortex, Edmilson and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,957 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Great breakdown. But I did notice that quite often Giacchino's cues on album are longer than in the film. See Smote And Mirrors, An Internals Battle etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 Reports are that this film started very long and kept getting whittled down up until release day, so it's not surprising that cues for longer cuts of scenes got recorded, and then Watts shortened the scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 There was, for sure, at least one scene that was longer in the 1st act and featured Tom Holland's brother. It was a longer version of the scene when he gets slime thrown on him (Tom Holland's brother is the one throwing the slime). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 That makes total sense, because the sliming scene is shown during the montage scored by the very shortened "Damage Control" cue TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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