Coronavirus 2: This Time No Politics (promise )

[Naïve Old Fart 4615]

Come on, Jay, give us a second chance.

 

 

So...where were we?

[The Big Man 6936]

I'm afraid the impact this pathogen has provoked would result in discussions that would be too controversial* for JWfan.

 

*I do not believe this controversy is necessarily political, however the ones in charge regularly fail to comprehend this important distinction.

[Quintus 4976]

Plus it'd only be a matter of time before I told someone lol what a c*nt again. 

 

Banter with naughty swear word jibes is too strong for the softie sensitive grown men of JWFan, even when they do act like c*nts. 

[BLUMENKOHL 1041]

You kids got it closed. How fuckin’ stupid do you have to be to not be able to pull one over Jay? 

[AC1 2456]

Imagine one of us gets the coronavirus! There's no way to communicate it now. 

[Quintus 4976]

Just make a new thread for the upcoming third wave. The previous thread was technically only made for the first wave, but we got an extended edition when wave 2 hit and moar misery needed to be reported (by Alex). 

 

32 minutes ago, BLUMENKOHL said:

You kids got it closed. How fuckin’ stupid do you have to be to not be able to pull one over Jay? 

 

I can't speak for Drax, Justin or Alex, but for me it's more about resisting the temptation to get a thread shut down just for the sheer hell of it. 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5977]

Jay fancies himself a Jack Dorsey type, silencing anyone he doesn't agree with. I certainly would apply the Forbidden Personal Attack Word to him and many others on this forum. 

[The Big Man 6936]

His whole Cabinet has turned against him!

[Edmilson 1562]

Anyway, returning to the subject of the thread...

 

 

[Brundlefly 1767]

On 11/26/2020 at 11:12 AM, Naïve Old Fart said:

Come on, Jay, give us a [incredibly high number] chance.

Fixed...

 

Wow, the original Corona thread actually got shut down!

[Jurassic Shark 6011]

https://www.vgtv.no/208960?jwsource=cl

[JoeinAR 1401]

Watching current tv with current events is very disturbing. While it is the reality i refuse to be photographed wearing a mask.

[Naïve Old Fart 4615]

I'm not suggesting that we post any of them, but...there's an awful lot of anti-vaccine memes, out there.

[The Big Man 6936]

1 hour ago, JoeinAR said:

Watching current tv with current events is very disturbing. While it is the reality i refuse to be photographed wearing a mask.

 

It's so embarrassing. Especially in that silly baby blue colour.

[bruce marshall 469]

Despite a 0.7 % infection rate and the lowest per capita death rate in the country , San Franciscans are running around like scared rabbits.

Even though ALL the restrictions are aimed at INDOOR activity, folks here wear masks outdoors- even if nobody is around. They think you can catch COVID just by quickly walking past somebody

on the street. Even if they are masked!

Just following orders like good Germans.

Ignorant of the facts, cowering in fear.

Sad.

 

In case you missed it:

 

According to the Center for disease Control...

 

- avoid crowded , indoor spaces

- the virus dilutes in air and as long as you are six feet from others you are not at risk

 

- to become sick you would have to be in CLOSE contact with an INFECTED person for an EXTENDED period of time. Probably at least five minutes. Casual contact is not likely to result in infection.

 

- it has now been determined that COVID is Not being spread via surfaces. Disinfecting surfaces is not necessary.

 

Be at Peace and without fear.

[AC1 2456]

 

7 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

Despite a 0.7 % infection rate and the lowest per capita death rate in the country , San Franciscans are running around like scared rabbits.

Even though ALL the restrictions are aimed at INDOOR activity, folks here wear masks outdoors- even if nobody is around. They think you can catch COVID just by quickly walking past somebody

on the street. Even if they are masked!

Just following orders like good Germans.

Ignorant of the facts, cowering in fear.

Sad.

 

 

Seems to me that it's precisely their carefulness and thoroughness that has led to the lowest death rate in the country. And yet you're complaining, angry and disappointed, ...

[GerateWohl 214]

8 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

Just following orders like good Germans.

Ignorant of the facts, cowering in fear.

The biggest advantage of the asian countries that managed to get almost out of the pandemia is that they understand that the least this is a question about courage or bravery.

I think, a pandemia is one of the situations where swarm intelligence obviously beats individual intelligence. The asian countries like Taiwan or Japan are much better than the western countries in the first one. 

It is mainly a matter of discipline on individual level and on society level. 

Here everyone is an expert discussing about justification of each and every guideline and measure while people are dying in hospitals. 

 

[The Big Man 6936]

@GerateWohl your post is too political. It contains too much analysis.

[bruce marshall 469]

Seeing as how important breathing clean, fresh air is to good health....

Maybe masks are causing more cases...?

 

Hmmmmmm.

Possible....

[The Big Man 6936]

[A. A. Ron 417]

6 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

Seeing as how important breathing clean, fresh air is to good health....

Maybe masks are causing more cases...?

 

Hmmmmmm.

Possible....

 

No, not possible. Get your anti-science bullshit out of here.

[SteveMc 2202]

20 hours ago, The Big Man said:

@GerateWohl your post is too political. It contains too much analysis.

His post contains analytical thought and is thus not political. 

[JoeinAR 1401]

18 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

Seeing as how important breathing clean, fresh air is to good health....

Maybe masks are causing more cases...?

 

Hmmmmmm.

Possible....

Your post cries out for a dumbass emoji

[mstrox 3923]

On 11/29/2020 at 6:40 PM, bruce marshall said:

it has now been determined that COVID is Not being spread via surfaces. Disinfecting surfaces is not necessary

this is false.  Surface/fomites are not considered to be a major source of transmission, but are a source of transmission nonetheless.

 

https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-020-09296-y

 

https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1186/s12985-020-01418-7

[gkgyver 1562]

Let me just say what utterly misguided, delusional, and idiotic notion it is,

 

a. to ban international politics talk on a public forum, and further

 

b. to believe you can separate Coronavirus from politics. 

 

The mods and admins of this board live in a fantasy world. 

[The Big Man 6936]

5 minutes ago, gkgyver said:

Let me just say what utterly misguided, delusional, and idiotic notion it is,

 

a. to ban international politics talk on a public forum, and further

 

b. to believe you can separate Coronavirus from politics. 

 

The mods and admins of this board live in a fantasy world. 

 

Which essentially means the dispicably hypocritical actions by the Californian governor and a senior bureaucrat regarding the lockdown are verboten in this discussion.

 

I'm shocked my UFO thread is still open, since it's hard to talk about that subject matter without invoking the forbidden "g" word.

[gkgyver 1562]

10 minutes ago, The Big Man said:

 

Which essentially means the dispicably hypocritical actions by the Californian governor and a senior bureaucrat regarding the lockdown are verboten in this discussion.

 

I'm shocked my UFO thread is still open, since it's hard to talk about that subject matter without invoking the forbidden "g" word.

 

To think actions by the WHO, who operate through laws of national constitutions, aren't political by nature, is frankly outrageously tone deaf. 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5977]

2 hours ago, gkgyver said:

The mods and admins of this board live in a fantasy world. 

 

The Upper Class

[Quintus 4976]

The big story this morning in the British news is that we're apparently the first country in the world to roll out the vaccine, from next Monday. Why this is the case I have no idea. Isn't it (Pfizer) a US vaccine?

[Naïve Old Fart 4615]

So...who would accept the vaccine, and who wouldn't?

[Quintus 4976]

The majority of the current posters here wouldn't require inoculation anyway. Maybe Joey and Alex would be happy to form a queue, I don't know. I'm guessing you don't feel it necessary?

[Jurassic Shark 6011]

4 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

So...who would accept the vaccine, and who wouldn't?

 

Hey, do you want to get this thread closed as well?

[Naïve Old Fart 4615]

Not really. Feel free to move the question to "Politics!".

 

(edit: the question has now been bumped)

[The Big Man 6936]

1 hour ago, Quintus said:

The majority of the current posters here wouldn't require inoculation anyway.

 

Unless authorities feel differently and they won't allow you to engage in activities like work or travel without showing proof of vaccination.

[Alex 1761]

Me right now
 

[Quintus 4976]

1 hour ago, The Big Man said:

 

Unless authorities feel differently and they won't allow you to engage in activities like work or travel without showing proof of vaccination.

 

I hear what you're saying and I know what you're getting at, but I think an argument for such an approach could be made in certain occupational scenarios, people working in high risk environments for example; hospitals, care homes. It would probably be means tested, but I can certainly envision a situation where working with vulnerable people made inoculation a necessary requirement of employment at this time.

 

Panicky overreactions aside, such measures would in practice only affect a small minority of the populace, the likes of whom no doubt wouldn't have any issue with receiving the vaccine anyway.

 

Of course, this won't stop the acutely paranoid conspiracy nutjobs of the world thinking that this isn't all some new world order scheme to control the plebs.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5977]

I want to take the vaccine. I hope I get access to it soon.

[The Big Man 6936]

Need not bother if you're over 75, according to Zeke Emanuel.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5977]

I'm taking it!

[The Big Man 6936]

I pray to Shiva "let me die", but... I do not.

[mstrox 3923]

6 hours ago, Quintus said:

The majority of the current posters here wouldn't require inoculation anyway. Maybe Joey and Alex would be happy to form a queue, I don't know. I'm guessing you don't feel it necessary?

 

Vaccination for a virus protects by attacking at it two ways. 

 

The first way - one vaccine to one person provides one person incomplete protection - in the case of the limited data about these vaccines, it is less likely that an inoculated person will become ill and less likely that that illness would be severe.  In that sense, you wouldn't "require" a vaccine because you're generally young and healthy - although TBH I would get the COVID vaccine for the same reason that I get the flu vaccine every year - being sick ain't fun and as above the vaccine would make you less likely to become ill, and less likely to have severe illness if you do become ill.

 

The second way - widespread buy-in to a vaccine provides a separate protection.  The so-called "herd immunity" - which is the endgame. If the vaccine provides the above protections to people who are inoculated, the more people who are inoculated, the faster community immunity is established and the remaining cases of the virus will peter out.  I'd argue that everybody should be vaccinated unless unable - including young and low-risk people, who are the most common vector of infection and spread in communities (at least here in the US).  This provides protection for those who are older and who can not be vaccinated for any number of reasons including immunocompromise.  And, it has the added bonus of speeding the ability for society to get back to normal or near-normal.  This makes good sense in a lot of ways - it keeps people well, it allows more places to open which allows more people to go into the community and work and more people to feel safe to go spend their money and support those places.  The more buy-in on vaccine, the faster the virus is choked out.  It's an act of goodwill towards your neighbors, in the same way that keeping your distance, masking, etc. is.

[Fabulin 2367]

2 hours ago, The Big Man said:

I pray to Shiva "let me die", but... I do not.

maybe you betrayed Shiva

[Holko 5198]

20 minutes ago, mstrox said:

 

Vaccination for a virus protects by attacking at it two ways. 

 

The first way - one vaccine to one person provides one person incomplete protection - in the case of the limited data about these vaccines, it is less likely that an inoculated person will become ill and less likely that that illness would be severe.  In that sense, you wouldn't "require" a vaccine because you're generally young and healthy - although TBH I would get the COVID vaccine for the same reason that I get the flu vaccine every year - being sick ain't fun and as above the vaccine would make you less likely to become ill, and less likely to have severe illness if you do become ill.

 

The second way - widespread buy-in to a vaccine provides a separate protection.  The so-called "herd immunity" - which is the endgame. If the vaccine provides the above protections to people who are inoculated, the more people who are inoculated, the faster community immunity is established and the remaining cases of the virus will peter out.  I'd argue that everybody should be vaccinated unless unable - including young and low-risk people, who are the most common vector of infection and spread in communities (at least here in the US).  This provides protection for those who are older and who can not be vaccinated for any number of reasons including immunocompromise.  And, it has the added bonus of speeding the ability for society to get back to normal or near-normal.  This makes good sense in a lot of ways - it keeps people well, it allows more places to open which allows more people to go into the community and work and more people to feel safe to go spend their money and support those places.  The more buy-in on vaccine, the faster the virus is choked out.  It's an act of goodwill towards your neighbors, in the same way that keeping your distance, masking, etc. is.

Thank you for actually knowing what you're talking about! It's refreshing in these threads.

[The Big Man 6936]

2 hours ago, Albus Percival Wulfric said:

maybe you betrayed Shiva

 

You become like them, but...like a nightmare.

[JoeinAR 1401]

9 hours ago, Quintus said:

The majority of the current posters here wouldn't require inoculation anyway. Maybe Joey and Alex would be happy to form a queue, I don't know. I'm guessing you don't feel it necessary?

Hey I never get the flu shot or the pneumonia shot but Ive never lost someone close to me from those. I am in no rush to get the vaccine. I will bide my time. Lee dont forget Kmark and even Ricard are almost as old. So is Bespin and Naive. 

I am comfortable social distancing, wearing a mask outside of work or home.  I rarely wear gloves. And I do not obsessively wash my hands. Its true you youngest here are not likely to die of COVID-2019 but far more likely to die horribly from a peanut butter sandwich 

[Jay 17611]

How old is "old?  I'm 41.  Are all the members you mentioned 50+? 60+?

[JoeinAR 1401]

20 minutes ago, Jay said:

How old is "old?  I'm 41.  Are all the members you mentioned 50+? 60+?

Jay as far as I know Im the oldest and I just turned 60 the day before you turned 41. Older is 50 and up. Older than dirt is 70. 

 

You are still a young man. Let me say this each decade seems to be better than the last. Protect yourself so you are Marcy have a lifetime that gets better and better.

[Jay 17611]

Happy belated birthday Joe!

 

I definitely enjoyed my 30s more than my 20s, and my 20s more than my teenage years

 

Hopefully the best is yet to come!

[Quintus 4976]

3 hours ago, mstrox said:

 

Vaccination for a virus protects by attacking at it two ways. 

 

The first way - one vaccine to one person provides one person incomplete protection - in the case of the limited data about these vaccines, it is less likely that an inoculated person will become ill and less likely that that illness would be severe.  In that sense, you wouldn't "require" a vaccine because you're generally young and healthy - although TBH I would get the COVID vaccine for the same reason that I get the flu vaccine every year - being sick ain't fun and as above the vaccine would make you less likely to become ill, and less likely to have severe illness if you do become ill.

 

The second way - widespread buy-in to a vaccine provides a separate protection.  The so-called "herd immunity" - which is the endgame. If the vaccine provides the above protections to people who are inoculated, the more people who are inoculated, the faster community immunity is established and the remaining cases of the virus will peter out.  I'd argue that everybody should be vaccinated unless unable - including young and low-risk people, who are the most common vector of infection and spread in communities (at least here in the US).  This provides protection for those who are older and who can not be vaccinated for any number of reasons including immunocompromise.  And, it has the added bonus of speeding the ability for society to get back to normal or near-normal.  This makes good sense in a lot of ways - it keeps people well, it allows more places to open which allows more people to go into the community and work and more people to feel safe to go spend their money and support those places.  The more buy-in on vaccine, the faster the virus is choked out.  It's an act of goodwill towards your neighbors, in the same way that keeping your distance, masking, etc. is.

 

Yes, that too. Although, I expressly cater for common reading eyes whenever I type here, and in that regard I am quite aware that no matter how convenient or useful to all the vaccine may become, some would rather decline it (for their own reasons) anyway, and furthermore some quarters of society would absolutely not wish to ever be [lawfully] compelled to submit to any sort of mass vaccination program, for a disease of this particular severity. Being able to opt out, as well as in, is quite important in all this.

 

As for myself, I will play it by ear. Like I do pretty much everything in my life.

[JoeinAR 1401]

15 minutes ago, Quintus said:

 

Yes, that too. Although, I expressly cater for common reading eyes whenever I type here, and in that regard I am quite aware that no matter how convenient or useful to all the vaccine may become, some would rather decline it (for their own reasons) anyway, and furthermore some quarters of society would absolutely not wish to ever be [lawfully] compelled to submit to any sort of mass vaccination program, for a disease of this particular severity. Being able to opt out, as well as in, is quite important in all this.

 

As for myself, I will play it by ear. Like I do pretty much everything in my life.

I have a gay friend who is HIV and the vaccines may or may not have unknown side effects do to medicine combinations that have yet to be tested. I understand his reluctance.