Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I've always had this problem and it annoys the hell out of me. Popular music is, of course, popular, for... well, reasons. But for most of it, I cannot understand much of what the singer is saying. I guess I can attribute this phenomena to the vocals being drowned out by the instrumental elements, which largely disables me from distinguishing the lyrical content. For years, I thought I was alone in this, mainly because people often ridiculed me for not understanding lyrics or mishearing them. Another big point of frustration. But thankfully, I found a site called Misheard Lyrics, which reassured me that I wasn't alone in my experience. Sadly that site appears to have vanished. So, anyhoo... anyone else? TheUlyssesian and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Yeah and I just don't bother to listen to them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,466 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Same here. Only in rare instances do lyrics really matter to me. I'm more interested in the sound of the vocals themselves; the actual singing. Which - as you can imagine - is one of the reasons why I've never been a particularly big fan of Bob Dylan. As a non-English speaker, lyrics have often been even more unintelligible, at least in my childhood years. When I "aped" the songs, a lot of it turned out as mere sounds, or some other word altogether. There are tons of jokey videos on Youtube about people misinterpreting the lyrics and words of a song - even from people who actually have English as their first language. A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 100% Even if I pay attention I can understand maybe 50% i think it is because how music stars sing these days. They all mumble and do not enunciate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I've always had a bit of trouble with this. I think my brain is just built to focus more on the composition itself, not so much the lyrics. I have less trouble appreciating both if I'm listening on my headphones in a quiet room, and when I can understand lyrics, they really can enhance my appreciation of a song. But give me a random song playing on the radio in the background and I usually won't be able to pick out much of what's being sung. (I'll be able to play it for you at the piano, though!) MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Lyrics are super important to me, so I always listen to them. If I can’t make out some verses to a song I really like, I just look them up and learn them. SteveMc and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I have the same problem, in english or even in french, I often have to see the lyrics to understand correctly some ending of sentences, because for me it arrives in my brain like a succession of sounds instead of distinct words. I think I have a bit of dyslexia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 40 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: Lyrics are super important to me, so I always listen to them. If I can’t make out some verses to a song I really like, I just look them up and learn them. It's the opposite for me, I prefer the meaning behind a song to remain vague or indefinite. I do find the aesthetics of lyrics important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 3 hours ago, AC1 said: It's the opposite for me, I prefer the meaning behind a song to remain vague or indefinite. I do find the aesthetics of lyrics important. I’m talking about the literal lyrics, not what the writer intended by them. I always find my own meaning in that regard. Faleel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I'll also say this, more often than not, lyrics diminish the music. There is something about music that when you put it into words, you cheapen it. The words can never live up to the music itself. I will give you an example - Hotel California. Absolutely beautiful gorgeous stirring music that creates this beautiful sense of elegiac melancholy. A sense of loss and nostalgia. That is the feeling you get when you listen to the song just as music. As soon as you pay attention to the lyrics, it is a disappointing song. Because you have lyrics trying to be meaningful and profound but are in fact nonsense and don't add anything to the song and in fact take away from it. So while lyrics can be good to add a vocal texture to the music of the song, more often than not, human facility runs out and often crafts garbage pseudo-profound tacky lyrics that bring the music down. Faleel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Yep same here. I don't listen to "contemporary" music at all, but just hearing it on TV or in a store or something I can't understand a word they're saying. It's as if they're speaking Chinese or something. Sometimes I'll pick out what I think is an intelligible sentence only to later learn that I misheard every word. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I also feel like I can never understand song lyrics in most music, but I’ve had hearing loss in the vocal region since birth. I suspect that’s why I’ve always gravitated towards instrumental music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 47 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: I’m talking about the literal lyrics, not what the writer intended by them. I always find my own meaning in that regard. But then I would think that learning the lyrics by heart brings you closer to the writer's intent. 42 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: I'll also say this, more often than not, lyrics diminish the music. There is something about music that when you put it into words, you cheapen it. The words can never live up to the music itself. I will give you an example - Hotel California. Absolutely beautiful gorgeous stirring music that creates this beautiful sense of elegiac melancholy. A sense of loss and nostalgia. That is the feeling you get when you listen to the song just as music. As soon as you pay attention to the lyrics, it is a disappointing song. Because you have lyrics trying to be meaningful and profound but are in fact nonsense and don't add anything to the song and in fact take away from it. So while lyrics can be good to add a vocal texture to the music of the song, more often than not, human facility runs out and often crafts garbage pseudo-profound tacky lyrics that bring the music down. It is however the first time that I hear someone say the lyrics of Hotel California bring the song down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wojo 2,453 Posted November 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2020 Whether you want to kiss the sky or kiss this guy, that's your own choice. Naïve Old Fart, Koray Savas and mrbellamy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Lyrics are extremely important to me. I don't think you could honestly listen to a song where the lyrics were given half a thought and discount them. Popular music is both popular music and popular poetry. But, alas, I often miss out on the lyrics of a song, especially on first listen. I usually pull up the lyrics and give a song a second listen with the the words in front of me. Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Not really, sometimes I will mishear a word or so, but not that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 6 hours ago, Bespin said: I have the same problem, in english or even in french, I often have to see the lyrics to understand correctly some ending of sentences, because for me it arrives in my brain like a succession of sounds instead of distinct words. I think I have a bit of dyslexia. Bes, you do not have dyslexia. Two reasons: 1 - Dyslexia is all about information going into your brain by reading, and not by hearing. 2 - The fact that you need to read the lyrics for them to make sense, proves that you don't have dyslexia (ffi, please see point #1). Happy to help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Yeah I got it, so it must be Parkinson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 No, you don't have Parkinson's. Parkinson's Disease affects the CNS, especially motor control. Bes, English is not your first language, and, therefore, anything you hear will need to be filtered through French, for you to understand it properly. Even hearing stuff in French, it's easy to mishear. I'm English, and I mishear lyrics (especially contemporary stuff) often. Also, some "older" singers have bad diction. If I can understand half of what Seal is going on about, I consider myself fortunate. @The Big Man is also right when he says that often, the music renders the words unintelligible. Bes, you don't have Parkinson's, and you are neither crazy, doolally, nor round the bend. Now...'scuse me, while I kiss this guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 There are great songs where I find the lyrics insipid, and some where the lyrics hold some value - but for me that's irrelevant because the melody or the actual music is what I usually care about, and if you can hum it, that's good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 2 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: I'll also say this, more often than not, lyrics diminish the music. There is something about music that when you put it into words, you cheapen it. The words can never live up to the music itself. I will give you an example - Hotel California. Absolutely beautiful gorgeous stirring music that creates this beautiful sense of elegiac melancholy. A sense of loss and nostalgia. That is the feeling you get when you listen to the song just as music. As soon as you pay attention to the lyrics, it is a disappointing song. Because you have lyrics trying to be meaningful and profound but are in fact nonsense and don't add anything to the song and in fact take away from it. So while lyrics can be good to add a vocal texture to the music of the song, more often than not, human facility runs out and often crafts garbage pseudo-profound tacky lyrics that bring the music down. I couldn’t disagree more, but whatever floats your boat! Nothing more pleasant than belting out “On a dark desert highway!” 2 hours ago, AC1 said: But then I would think that learning the lyrics by heart brings you closer to the writer's intent. Maybe? There’s no way for me to know what a lyricist’s personal meaning is based on lyrics. I can infer what the meaning of the song is, and that’s why I enjoy music in general. Artists like Dylan are often cryptic, and his use of language outclasses my intelligence, but I love it nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 3 hours ago, AC1 said: But then I would think that learning the lyrics by heart brings you closer to the writer's intent. So...you'd say it brings you...closer to the heart? A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I should add that there are some songs where the lyrics jump out to me in clarity at first listen. Those usually end up being some of my favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,359 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Lyrics are often unintelligible to me, but I think it’s more because I never learned to pay attention to them as a kid. Growing up, the music I was exposed to was mostly instrumental and symphonic. If I heard lyrics, they were often sung in German, Italian or French, which I never understood and never bothered to learn. In popular music, I learned to focus on instrumental color, rhythm, melody, key changes, choruses, bridges, etc. and tune out lyrics, even perfectly understandable ones. (This is a good deal of the reason why I find nearly all popular music from the past decade to be utter shit—it exhibits virtually none of those traits.) it’s nice to know there are lots of others out there like me, even if they arrived that way for different reasons. Makes me feel a little less outlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 Apparently this is one of the most popular songs of the year: Now, it's fairly inoffensive and oddly not unpleasant, I guess. But what's weird is that this song is being performed in English, but the only word I can make out is the title "Dynamite". I mean... how the hell can this be? I bet there are people who heard this for the first time and automatically comprehended the lyrics at the first go, but I just can't. I can't. No matter how hard I try. Look, I searched for the lyrics online and sure, it all made sense after that simple referencing exercise. But how do other people do it without that? What talent do they have that I, and apparently others here lack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I usually don't listen closely to the lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I have the same problem, I can only decipher 10% of lyrics in songs ., so most of them have no meaning for me Happy I'm not alone. And I sometimes have trouble deciphering dialogue in movies, especially big special effects movies with loud sound effects and RCP music where the actors explain plot twists during action scenes or the scenes are cut very fast ADD style. " National Treasure" or "Sherlock Holmes" would be prototypes of this type of film and I lose the sequence of events in the film. In older movies this happens less because of the slower pace and the scenes themselves tell the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 There's too much mumbling in modern movies. It's edgy or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Man, there's too much mumbling in modern minds, dude, you know? Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Only on ENGLISH language opera or choral works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Modern "singers" weren't taught proper enunciation. Fortunately I don't listen to Millenial music by choice but occasionally have it foisted upon me in shopping malls, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: occasionally have it foisted upon me in shopping malls Where's the scream smiley when you need it? On 11/27/2020 at 2:28 PM, Holko said: I didn't know John Powell used to be a singer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I come from a musical family. Even the sewing machine, is a Spoiler Singer Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: I come from a musical family. Even the sewing machine, is a Reveal hidden contents Singer Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 5 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Modern "singers" weren't taught proper enunciation. Fortunately I don't listen to Millenial music by choice but occasionally have it foisted upon me in shopping malls, etc. You must be fun at parties. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 At least people can hear what he's saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: At least people can hear what he's saying. Are you talking about Justin Bieber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I'm talking about @JTWfan77. I don't know if he's Justin Bieber, but if he is, then Justin Bieber's a nice fella! 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Classical singers are the worst with their deep throated over renunciation. I miss bel canto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 18 hours ago, Koray Savas said: You must be fun at parties. I avoid them as a rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 15 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Classical singers are the worst with their deep throated over renunciation. I miss bel canto I hear you, Bruce. My issue is with "singers" who clearly have no concept of what it is like to sing classical pieces. You can tell by listening to them, that they've had neither the training, nor the knowledge of what they are trying to sing. They come off sounding like enthusiastic, but micro-talanted amateurs. bruce marshall and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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