Goldsmith at 20th - New series of releases by La-La Land!!!

[Brundlefly 2,399]

La-La Land Records and 20th Century Studios proudly present a new collection of classic Jerry Goldsmith scores for film and television composed for 20th Century Fox: GOLDSMITH AT 20th. This collection will feature new authoritative liner notes and unified packaging sure to please avid collectors but also serve as a perfect gateway for listeners experiencing this music for the first time.

 

GOLDSMITH AT 20th VOL. 1 – VON RYAN’S EXPRESS / THE BLUE MAX:

LIMITED EDITION (2-CD SET) LLLCD 1544

Music by Jerry Goldsmith

Limited Edition of 2000 Units

RETAIL PRICE: $24.98

Volume 1 is a 2-CD presentation of the composer’s scores from two large-scale period war dramas – 1965’s WWII-era VON RYAN’S EXPRESS, starring Frank Sinatra and Trevor Howard, and directed by Mark Robson, and 1966’s WWI-era THE BLUE MAX, starring George Peppard and James Mason, directed by John Guillermin. Filmmaker Rod Lurie proclaims Goldsmith as “the greatest composer for military films,” and this handsome release more than proves that claim, serving up soaring orchestral might that powerfully enhances these wartime epics.

Both out-of-print scores return here with all-new art design by Jim Titus and new in-depth liner notes by writer Jeff Bond. The 2-CD re-issue is produced by Mike Matessino and Neil S. Bulk, mastered by Daniel Hersch, and is limited to 2000 units.

 

DISC ONE

VON RYAN’S EXPRESS

SCORE PRESENTATION

1. Meet Von Ryan :24

2. Stolen Goods – Part I 2:32

3. Stolen Goods – Part II :44

4. Fire Sale 4:01

5. The Freedom Marchers :53

6. The Resting Place 1:36

7. Ambushed 1:22

8. Shot In The Back :51

9. Welcome To Rome 1:46

10. Farewell To Rome :47

11. A New Crew :44

12. The Love Birds :51

13. Mission Accomplished :32

14. The Clock Watcher 2:38

15. Dead End – Part I 1:40

16. Dead End – Part II :51

17. Signals 1:55

18. End Of The Line :48

Total Score Time: 24:55

ADDITIONAL MUSIC

19. Welcome To Rome (Mono Version) 1:47

20. Funeral Sequence 1:48

21. Fire Sale (Alternate Take) 4:13

Total Additional Music: 7:48

Total Time / Von Ryan’s Express: 32:43

 

THE BLUE MAX

ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK ALBUM

22. Main Title – The Blue Max 2:26

23. Love Theme From The Blue Max 1:47

24. Retreat 1:25

25. First Blood 3:04

26. Waltz 1:11

27. Confirmed Kill 4:19

28. The Lonely Victor 3:32

29. Intermission Title :43

30. Bridge Duel 3:17

31. Battle 7:40

32. Food Riot 2:29

33. End Title 2:37

34. Watch On The Rhine 1:45

35. Pour Le Mérite March 2:18

36. Deutschland Uber Alles (German National Anthem) :51

Total Original Soundtrack Time: 39:24

ADDITIONAL SOURCE MUSIC

37. Student Song Medley 2:11

38. Polish Girl :43

39. Freut Euch Des Lebens 1:29

40. Artist’s Life No. 1 :46

41. German Parade March :30

42. Artist’s Life No. 2 1:01

43. Gloria March :25

Total Additional Source Music: 7:05

Total Time / The Blue Max: 46:29

Total Disc 1 Time: 79:36

 

DISC TWO

THE BLUE MAX

SCORE PRESENTATION

1. Main Title – The Blue Max 2:26

2. The New Arrival 1:26

3. A Pretty Medal 1:45

4. First Blood (Film Version) 2:25

5. The First Victory :43

6. The Captive 1:49

7. The Victim 2:36

8. The Cobra 1:41

9. The Attack 5:32

10. Dinner Party :57

11. A Small Favor :58

12. Love Theme From The Blue Max (Film Version) 1:19

13. A Good Man :28

14. Intermission – Play Out 1:08

15. Intermission – Play In 1:43

16. Bridge Duel 3:17

17. Stachel’s Confessions 1:36

18. The Retreat – Part I 3:16

19. The Retreat – Part II 4:29

20. Stachel In Berlin – Part I 1:19

21. Stachel In Berlin – Part II 1:16

22. Nothing Needed :43

23. Kaeti Has A Plan 3:33

24. Stachel’s Last Flight 2:00

25. End Title And Cast 2:43

Total Score Time: 51:20

ADDITIONAL MUSIC

26. The Attack (Original Version) 5:31

27. First Blood (Revised Opening) :57

28. First Blood (Discrete Version) 2:27

29. The Attack (Alternate Edit) 6:32
30. The Retreat – Parts I and II (Intended Film Edit) 7:41
31. End Cast (Alternate Take) 1:15
Total Additional Music: 24:23
Total Disc 2 Time: 75:51

Total Two-Disc Time: 2:35:27

 

GOLDSMITH AT 20th VOL. 2 – THE DETECTIVE / THE FLIM-FLAM MAN:

LIMITED EDITION LLLCD 1545

Music by Jerry Goldsmith

Limited Edition of 2000 Units

RETAIL PRICE: $19.98

Volume 2 serves up the composer’s scores from two ‘60s era feature films – 1968’s police drama THE DETECTIVE, starring Lee Remick, and directed by Gordon Douglas, and 1967’s crime caper THE FLIM-FLAM MAN, starring George C. Scott and Harry Morgan, directed by Irvin Kershner. These two striking Goldsmith scores showcase the composer’s unique versatility during exciting period in his storied career. Whether it’s THE DETECTIVE’s urban jazzy swagger, or THE FLIM-FLAM MAN’s playful and rural rambunctious riffs, the composer is up to the challenge, providing notable music that expertly enhances both films.

Both out-of-print scores return here with all-new art design by Jim Titus and new in-depth liner notes by writer Jeff Bond. The re-issue is produced by Mike Matessino and Neil S. Bulk, mastered by Daniel Hersch (THE DETECTIVE) and Joe Tarantino (THE FILM-FLAM MAN), and is limited to 2000 units.

 

THE DETECTIVE

1. The Detective – Main Title 1:37

2. Clues 1:48

3. The School Dance :45

4. A New Love 1:09

5. A Family Affair 1:57

6. Beach Scene :54

7. The Ball Game :35

8. Karen’s Story 1:11

9. Night Talk 2:00

10. The Safe Cracker 2:00

11. MacIver’s Story 2:17

12. Joe’s Decision (End Cast) 2:22

Total Time: 18:38

 

THE FLIM-FLAM MAN

13. The Flim-Flam Man Main Title 1:44

14. A Good Trick / No Rest For The Wicked 4:06

15. A Little Inspiration 1:40

16. Stolen Property 3:14

17. The Getaway 3:03

18. The Main Line 2:19

19. Times Gone By 1:10

20. The Visitor 3:26

21. Good Night / The Homestead 2:48

22. The Hayseed 1:20

23. A Poor Ending / Run For It 2:02

24. Stolen Property II * :50

25. Curley’s Plan 2:46

26. Curley’s Farewell 1:17

27. The Waiting Game 1:27

28. On The Road Again 1:15

Total Time: 34:30

Total Disc Time: 53:08

* previously unreleased

 

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GOLDSMITH AT 20th VOL. 3 – THE STRIPPER / S*P*Y*S:
LIMITED EDITION LLLCD 1557
Music by Jerry Goldsmith
Limited Edition of 2000 Units
RETAIL PRICE: $24.98

STARTS SHIPPING MAY 11

Volume 3 showcases two more of the composer’s original feature film scores, one from the ’60s – 1963’s drama, THE STRIPPER, starring Joanne Woodward (in the first of Goldsmith’s collaborations with director Franklin J. Schaffner), and one from the ’70s – 1974’s espionage comedy, S*P*Y*S, starring Elliot Gould and Donald Sutherland, and directed by Irvin Kershner. From the jazz-influenced drama of THE STRIPPER to the broad and lively comic antics and action of S*P*Y*S, these two dynamic Goldsmith scores demonstrate the composer’s unique and boundless talents across two decades. This collection’s presentation of S*P*Y*S (previously available in truncated form only in a long out-of-print box set) is expanded with never-before-released material. Also making its debut on this collection, is the bonus track premiere release of “Pacer’s Farewell” from the 1960 western, FLAMING STAR, starring Elvis Presley. This marked Goldsmith’s very first work for the studio.

Both previously out-of-print scores return here with all-new art design by Jim Titus and new in-depth liner notes by writer Jeff Bond. The reissue is produced by Mike Matessino and Neil S. Bulk, mastered by Matessino and is limited to 2000 units.

 

TRACK LISTING:

DISC ONE
THE STRIPPER

SCORE PRESENTATION
1 The Stripper Main Title 2:28
2 The Execution 2:26
3 Sunday Dinner 2:10
4 The Empty Room 1:49
5 Lila And Helen 3:42
6 Party Boy 3:25
7 A Mother’s Worry 2:16
8 Job Hunting 1:21
9 The Classroom 2:35
10 The Dancing Lesson 2:32
11 The Birthday Present 2:05
12 Lila’s Confession 1:19
13 The New Job 2:44
14 Comfort For Lila 1:54
15 A Change Of Heart 3:13
16 Lila’s Advice 4:04
17 The Stripper End Title 1:32

1963 MOVIE RADIO
18 Give Me The Simple Life 2:22
19 Twistin’ Baby 1:48
20 Rock And Roll Blues 1:36
21 Anabel Blues 1:13
22 Gas Station Source (Unused) 1:00
23 Should I? 1:29
24 Stripper Blues :52
25 Dixieland Source (Unused) 1:06
26 Rock And Roll Retch 1:43
27 Romance 1:31

THE STRIP ACT
28 Something’s Gotta Give 1:53
29 You’ve Gotta See Mama Every Night 1:19
30 Frankie And Johnny 1:09
31 You’ve Gotta See Mama Every Night (Reprise) :40

ADDITIONAL MUSIC
32 The Empty Room (Alternate) 1:50
33 Should I? / The Dancing Lesson (Film Combo) 3:04
34 Pacer’s Farewell (From Flaming Star) 2:26
Disc 1 Total Time: 69:16

 

DISC TWO
S*P*Y*S
1 S*P*Y*S Main Title 3:06
2 Russian Warm-Up 1:21
3 Anybody Got A Key? 2:54
4 The Mannequin 1:47
5 The Siberian Blues :48
6 New Friends 1:43
7 A Welcome Guest 2:20
8 Table Talk 1:51
9 A Little Investigation 1:11
10 Who’s Paying? 1:07
11 Get Rid Of The Dog :53
12 One For The Road :47
13 Woops :35
14 Dog-Gone Paris 2:00
15 Tools Of The Trade 1:24
16 Triple Cross 3:47
17 The Buy 2:55
18 A New Start 2:26
Disc 2 Total Time: 33:21
Total Collection Time: 1:42:37

 

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GOLDSMITH AT 20th VOL. 4 – ACE ELI AND RODGER OF THE SKIES / TORA! TORA! TORA!: LIMITED EDITION (2-CD SET)
LLLCD 1563
Music by Jerry Goldsmith
Limited Edition of 2000 Units
RETAIL PRICE: $26.98

STARTS SHIPPING OCT 12

La-La Land Records and 20th Century Studios proudly present a new collection of classic Jerry Goldsmith scores for film and television composed for 20th Century Fox: GOLDSMITH AT 20th Vol. IV – ACE ELI AND RODGER OF THE SKIES / TORA! TORA! TORA!. Bringing back out-of-print favorites while also debuting previously unreleased music, this collection will feature new authoritative liner notes and unified packaging sure to please avid collectors but also serve as a perfect gateway for listeners experiencing this music for the first time.

 

Volume IV showcases two more of the composer’s original feature film scores – this time from two ’70s aviation-themed dramas – 1973’s post WWI father-and-son-barnstorming story ACE ELI AND ROGER OF THE SKIES, starring Cliff Robertson and Eric Shea, and directed by JOHN ERMAN, and 1970’s TORA! TORA! TORA!, the Pearl Harbor docudrama starring Martin Balsam, Joseph Cotten, E.G. Marshall, So Yamamura and Tatsuya Mihashi, and directed by RICHARD FLEISCHER, KINJI FUKASAKU and TOSHIO MASUDA. While the films are only connected tangentially by the concept of aircraft and pilots, both scores on this 2-CD presentation explore wildly different sonic landscapes and emotions, and both soar as works of musical art.

ACE ELI presents two unique programs – The first is the original Goldsmith score in mono, in the film’s original sequence. The film was later recut and additional music was written with contributions from Alexander Courage. These cues, and the song “Who’s for Complainin’?” are presented in stereo alongside surviving stereo Goldsmith compositions in a sequence closer to the released version.

 

TORA! TORA! TORA! utilizes the same master as our previous release.

Both previously out-of-print scores return here with all-new art design by Jim Titus and new in-depth liner notes by writer Jeff Bond. The reissue, limited to 2000 units, is produced by Mike Matessino and Neil S. Bulk, with ACE restored, mixed and mastered by Chris Malone and TORA mastered by Dan Hersch and Mike Matessino.

 

TRACK LISTING:

DISC 1
ACE ELI AND RODGER OF THE SKIES

SCORE PRESENTATION (Mono) 34:22
1 Ace Eli And Rodger Of The Skies Main Title 2:13
2 A New Plane 4:50
3 No Pony 2:11
4 Packin’ Up 3:30
5 Ace Eli Theme 1:06
6 Ace Eli Rag 1:36
7 First Fare 1:17
8 Thrill A Minute 2:06
9 No Escape 1:44
10 Night Talk 1:30
11 An Act Of Frustration 1:37
12 First Flight 3:01
13 No Lover 1:58
14 Final Flight Part I 4:45
15 Final Flight Part II :58

ADDITIONAL MUSIC
(Re-Score and Surviving Stereo) 40:24
16 Temp Theme For Ace Eli 1:34
17 Main Title(Who’s For Complainin’?)* 2:37
18 Ace Eli And Rodger Of The Skies Main Title 2:14
19 The New Wrinkle 2:18
20 Pig Sloppin’ :47
21 A New Plane 4:50
22 Packin’ Up 3:31
23 Off To Monument 2:27
24 Ace Eli Theme 1:06
25 No Escape 1:44
26 No Pony 2:11
27 Night Talk 1:31
28 Boy Flier (Who’s For Complainin’?)*† 3:15
29 Rejection Game 2:22
30 Final Flight Part I 4:48
31 Final Flight Part II :58
32 End Title (Who’s For Complainin’? )* 2:11
Total Time: 75:23
* Composed by Jim Grady † Arranged by Alexander Courage

 

DISC 2
TORA! TORA! TORA!

SCORE PRESENTATION 36:29
1 Tora! Tora! Tora! Main Title 3:05
2 The Chancellery 1:05
3 Little Hope 1:54
4 Predictions 2:44
5 Disagreement 2:02
6 Imperial Palace 2:30
7 Mt. Niitaka 1:17
8 The Waiting Game 5:48
9 Sunday Morning 2:55
10 The 14th Part 2:40
11. Entr’Acte 1:46
12. Pre-Flight Countdown 2:09
13. On the Way 1:40
14. The Final Message 4:53

ADDITIONAL MUSIC 19:19
15. Japanese Military 4:49
16. American Military 1:39
17. Big Band Source 2:25
18. Hawaiian Radio 1:47
19. The Waiting Game (with overlay) 5:50
20. Tora Theme (piano) 1:17
21. Tora Theme (orchestra) 1:42
Total Time: 56:00
Total 2-Disc Collection Time: 2:11:23

 

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OUR 600th RELEASE!

GOLDSMITH AT 20th VOL. V – MUSIC FOR TELEVISION 1968-1975: LIMITED EDITION (2-CD SET)
LLLCD 1600

RETAIL PRICE: $26.98

STARTS SHIPPING SEPT 13

Order yours from www.lalalandrecords.com starting 12 noon (pst) on 9/13.

 

La-La Land Records and 20th Century Studios proudly present La-La Land’s 600th release - a new 2-CD collection of classic Jerry Goldsmith television music composed for 20th Century Fox: GOLDSMITH AT 20th Vol. V – MUSIC FOR TELEVISION 1968-1975, including music from ANNA AND THE KING, A TREE GROWS IN BROOKLYN, NICK QUARRY, ONLY IN AMERICA, A GIRL NAMED SOONER, PRUDENCE AND THE CHIEF and ROOM 222. The Goldsmith at 20th Collection brings back out-of-print favorites while also debuting previously unreleased music, with new authoritative liner notes and unified packaging sure to please avid collectors but also serve as a perfect gateway for listeners experiencing this music for the first time.

Volume V showcases Goldsmith’s original television work at Fox between the years 1968 to 1975. The composer’s genius, experimentation and creativity are on full display within this presentation, demonstrating that Goldsmith never “wrote down” for TV and that the work was some of the most colorful and heartfelt of his career.

 

Premiering for the first time on this release are expanded presentations of ANNA AND THE KING and A TREE GROWS IN BROOKLYN (TREE is presented in stereo) and the world premiere of music from the TV pilots ONLY IN AMERICA and PRUDENCE AND THE CHIEF.

Produced by Mike Matessino and Neil S. Bulk, and restored and mastered by Chris Malone, this 2-CD presentation features exclusive, in-depth liner notes by writer/author Jon Burlingame and classic art design by Jim Titus. This release is limited to 2000 units.

Look for more “GOLDSMITH AT 20th” releases coming soon from La-La Land Records!

 

Also Available from La-La Land Records: GOLDSMITH AT 20th Vol. I – VON RYAN’S EXPRESS / THE BLUE MAX, GOLDSMITH AT 20th Vol. II – THE DETECTIVE / THE FLIM FLAM MAN and GOLDSMITH AT 20th Vol. III – THE STRIPPER / S*P*Y*S and GOLDSMITH AT 20th Vol IV - ACE ELI AND RODGER OF THE SKIES / TORA! TORA! TORA!

 

TRACK LISTING:

DISC 1 59:56
ANNA AND THE KING (33:18)
Pilot
1. Main Title (Pilot) :50
2. Anna Arrives 1:47
3. The Throne Room 1:13
4. March Of The Royal Children 2:12
5. The King’s Study / Ill Tempered King / A Change Of Mind :51
6. Anna Decides :22
7. Better Ways :32
8. After The Ball / A New House :59
Anna’s Romance
9. Main Title (Series) :50
10. The Classroom / Something New / A Big Saving / Tell Me :48
11. A Royal Child 1:27
12. No Marriage 1:18
13. The Letter / A Great Person :55
14. King Waltz / A New Lesson 1:06

The Chimes
15. The Old Man 4:24
16. Another Game 2:44
17. He Was There / The Final Game 3:20
18. You Lose 2:57
19. End Titles :34
Additional Music
20. My Secret (From The Sand Pebbles) 2:19
21. Main Title (For Library) :50

 

NICK QUARRY (10:29)
22. Meet Nick Quarry 2:52
23. Body Art / Don’t Move / Pool Bit 1:55
24. House Call 2:25
25. Quarry Cornered 3:17

 

ONLY IN AMERICA (1:56)
26. Main Title (Only In America) :53
27. Open And Close :25
28. End Title (Only In America) :38

 

ROOM 222 (12:57)
29. Theme 2:14
30. Richie’s Story 4:09
31. Main Title (Long) 1:34
32. The Flu 3:21
33. Main Title (Short) 1:07
34. End Credit (Short) :33

 

DISC 2 70:31

PRUDENCE AND THE CHIEF (14:53)
1. Main Title (Prudence And The Chief) 1:22
2. The Escort 1:17
3. The Chief :41
4. The Village 1:14
5. Sign Language / No Luck 1:29
6. The Visitors 2:00
7. Scalp Treatment :29
8. Missing Child 1:06
9. Found Child 4:10
10. End Title (Prudence And The Chief) 1:05

 

A TREE GROWS IN BROOKLYN (23:12)
11. Main Title / The Tree 1:39
12. A Warm Day1:09
13. My Favorite Day1:33
14. No Tree1:52
15. When My Ship Comes In 1:35
16. A Clean Shirt / The Bible 1:25
17. Morning Chores :32
18. A New Address 1:32
19. A New School 1:10
20. The Cake 1:12
21. Don’t Touch Me 1:17
22. Father’s Girl 3:09
23. A New Child 1:17
24. A New Tree (Finale) 3:03
25. End Titles :32
26. Bumper :15

 

A GIRL NAMED SOONER (31:13)
27. Main Title 3:06
28. Main Title - Part II :47
29. The Town :30
30. Late Hours 2:10
31. Unexpected Guest :37
32. There’s A Difference / New Clothes 2:50
33. Love That Catsup / Jump Rope 3:01
34. No Excuse 2:21
35. Tell Me Who 2:39
36. All Alone 1:01
37. Empty Grave 2:10
38. Idle Time 1:26
39. Oh Bird :56
40. Chores / How It Is 4:21
41. Everything Changes 2:16
42. End Credits 1:02
 

TOTAL COLLECTION TIME 2:10:27

 

This is a CD format release.

 

Listen to the Goldsmith Odyssey Spotlight Podcast about this exciting new release!
https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/11302249-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-goldsmith-at-20th-vol-v-music-for-television-1968-1975

 

La-La Land's Goldsmith at 20th series continues with the most exciting volume yet, and we have a new Soundtrack Spotlight to commemorate the occasion! Film music restoration experts Mike Matessino and Chris Malone join your humble hosts Yavar and David to discuss the varied challenges of working on seven different Goldsmith television projects composed between 1968 and 1975!

[Lady Dimitrescu 9,087]

20th? 20th-what?

 

They're not allowed to say "20th Century Fox" anymore?

[Brundlefly 2,399]

I find that very exciting news! Much less money to spend on OOP titles in the future!

 

Is there an exhaustive list of Goldsmith scores that he's done for 20th Century Fox?

 

[Thor 8,654]

1 hour ago, The Big Man said:

They're not allowed to say "20th Century Fox" anymore?

 

20th Century Fox doesn't exist anymore. UNDERWATER was the last film to screen under that logo, if I'm not mistaken. It's called 20th Century Studios now, under the Disney banner.

[Lady Dimitrescu 9,087]

16 minutes ago, Thor said:

 

20th Century Fox doesn't exist anymore. UNDERWATER was the last film to screen under that logo, if I'm not mistaken. It's called 20th Century Studios now, under the Disney banner.

 

I'm aware of that, but when Jerry Goldsmith was working there, it was called "20th Century Fox". Calling it just "20th" smacks of historical revisionism.

[Thor 8,654]

I believe "20th" has been a nickname for quite some time, but I'm not sure. Either way, it's a way to be both current and historically accurate at the same time, skipping the "Fox" bit entirely. Perhaps there are even some legal issues involved? Nobody wants to get Disney's legal team breathing down their neck!

[Brundlefly 2,399]

I was just about to look out for the Intrada double score releases of "Fate Is the Hunter/Shock Treatment" and "Van Ryan's Express/The Detective". Now that the later are both being re-released, I'm almost certain that the former will as well.

 

15 minutes ago, Thor said:

Nobody wants to get Disney's legal team breathing down their neck!

Simpson joked about that already in their 90s' episodes. I didn't even notice that the "Fox" wass gone at first.

 

HOLY SHIT! The Mephisto Waltz and The Other are 20th Century Fox titles! Please let this be a double feature in this series...

[Lady Dimitrescu 9,087]

1 hour ago, Thor said:

I believe "20th" has been a nickname for quite some time, but I'm not sure. Either way, it's a way to be both current and historically accurate at the same time, skipping the "Fox" bit entirely. Perhaps there are even some legal issues involved? Nobody wants to get Disney's legal team breathing down their neck!

 

Yeah I still find it sus

[publicist 4,647]

Am i getting senile or is this all stuff which has been released dozen times?

[Doo_liss 6,991]

Yes

[Marian Schedenig 9,358]

So are these identical in content to the latest individual release of each score, except for the liner notes and apparently one new track on Flim-Flam Man? Same masters etc.?

[Corellian2019 423]

2 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

HOLY SHIT! The Mephisto Waltz and The Other are 20th Century Fox titles! Please let this be a double feature in this series...

 

Sadly, The Other seems to be controlled by Varese in perpetuity, according to Bruce Kimmel, unless LLL and Varese collaborate on a new release, like with the Apes box set

[Brundlefly 2,399]

1 hour ago, publicist said:

Am i getting senile or is this all stuff which has been released dozen times?

Yeah, but I for example do not even own one of them. Straight re-releases serve their purpose, don't even think of ranting.

 

58 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

So are these identical in content to the latest individual release of each score, except for the liner notes and apparently one new track on Flim-Flam Man? Same masters etc.?

My guess would be that The Blue Max, Van Ryan's Express and The Detective (which have all been fully expanded and mastered in 2013 and 2014) are all straight reissues. The Flim-Flam Man has probably been redone from the very beginning due to the previous release/mastering reaching back to the year 2000, let alone the fact that it was apparently incomplete. That is also indicated by the fact that it has another guy credited for the master than the other scores of the series.

[bruce marshall 1,403]

So glad I bought the FOX BOX which has HIGHLIGHTS of many of these scores that I don't necessarily need ' complete'.😁

 

Another " collection of cues" for the archive😒

 

 

I just bought HUNTER/TREATMENT for half of what it's going for on EBAY.

 

Was I ' taken'?😳

[Yavar Moradi 3,111]

6 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

I was just about to look out for the Intrada double score releases of "Fate Is the Hunter/Shock Treatment" and "Von Ryan's Express/The Detective". Now that the later are both being re-released, I'm almost certain that the former will as well.

 

HOLY SHIT! The Mephisto Waltz and The Other are 20th Century Fox titles! Please let this be a double feature in this series...

As already noted, both of those masterpieces are Varese titles in perpetuity, alas. Same for the two Flint scores which Varese released only half of each, in the 90s. But then again Goldsmith’s two Planet of the Apes scores were Varese as well and LLL successfully sublicensed them for their Apes box set...so it’s at least not as impossible as it once sounded.

 

I’m sure the other two will be coming again. I hope Shock Treatment can include the one missing cue I’ve heard about; that’s an awesome score. But alas they didn’t include the two unreleased cues from The Detective which were on the Twilight Time Blu-ray iso score (albeit one of them, the more important one, with sound effects):

https://m.soundcloud.com/user-906859019-113845892/the-killing-fx
 

But there’s an unreleased cue from The Flim-Flam Man here, so I’ll be buying for that and in hopes of improved sound over the old FSM. I’m more excited about what this could mean for 2021 since they talk about previously unreleased music.

 

Yavar

[Jay 40,201]

So Yavar, out of all the work Goldsmith did for Fox (film and TV), what scores are the ones that have yet to be available in complete form anywhere?

[Brundlefly 2,399]

2 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

As already noted, both of those masterpieces are Varese titles in perpetuity, alas. Same for the two Flint scores which Varese released only half of each, in the 90s. But then again Goldsmith’s two Planet of the Apes scores were Varese as well and LLL successfully sublicensed them for their Apes box set...so it’s at least not as impossible as it once sounded.

Yeah, I'm hoping for the same kind of collaboration between Varese and LLL again.

 

2 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

But alas they didn’t include the two unreleased cues from The Detective which were on the Twilight Time Blu-ray iso score (albeit one of them, the more important one, with sound effects)

Maybe proper sources for these two couldn't be found. But wow, one of them would have been the longest cue from the entire score.

 

2 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

So glad I bought the FOX BOX which has HIGHLIGHTS of many of these scores that I don't necessarily need ' complete'.😁

That Fox Box must have been quite an event back then... so many premieres of completely unreleased scores.

[bruce marshall 1,403]

30 minutes ago, Brundlefly said:

 

 

That Fox Box must have been quite an event back then... so many premieres of completely unreleased scores.

Even better for me, at least.

Unlike many FSM Goldsmith fans , I only owned a very small amount of music. So, it was like getting a great sampling of new and never released cues. I didn't have to spend $$$ acquiring all the osts.

Some fans griped about having to rebuy stuff they already had:

 

https://filmscoremonthly.com/daily/article.cfm?articleID=4985

[bruce marshall 1,403]

Are the BLUE MAX cues in the BOX the same sonic quality as the new release?

[Lady Dimitrescu 9,087]

20 minutes ago, bruce marshall said:

Are the BLUE MAX cues in the BOX the same sonic quality as the new release?

 

I bet not. Varese likes making everything brighter and louder.

[bruce marshall 1,403]

3 hours ago, The Big Man said:

 

I bet not. Varese likes making everything brighter and louder.

In other words, the 'old' version sounds BETTER!

 

FOX BOX ( Varese):

THE BLUE MAX 3 cues ( I own the Legacy CD)

Von RYAN 8 cues

FLIM FLAM. 2 cues

THE DETECTIVE 12 cues

 

Pretty damn good selection!

 

SHOCK TREATMENT has 9 cues but I bought the Intrada because the sonic upgrade from mono to stereo was significantly improved.

DAMNATION ALLEY also has 9 cues but Intrada upgrade was phenomenal!

 

 

 

I'm going to spin my recently acquired FATE IS THE HUNTER/ SHOCK TREATMENT tonite😊

 

[Yavar Moradi 3,111]

3 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

In other words, the 'old' version sounds BETTER!

 

Think again. The previous La-La Land 2-disc edition of The Blue Max leaves all the others in the dust, sonically...even the fine Intrada release. I was amazed when I heard it...such a marked improvement that I listen to it more than the Tadlow re-recording, when otherwise I might not have.

 

3 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

I'm going to spin my recently acquired FATE IS THE HUNTER/ SHOCK TREATMENT tonite😊

 

 

The latter is an astounding score, and sounds so much better on the Intrada than in the Varese Fox Box (also much more music, though I think still missing a cue).

 

7 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

Yeah, I'm hoping for the same kind of collaboration between Varese and LLL again.

 

Fingers crossed! But I wouldn't assume they'd go to the trouble/expense for other scores just because they did it for Planet of the Apes...

 

7 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

Maybe proper sources for these two couldn't be found. But wow, one of them would have been the longest cue from the entire score.

 

Yup, and a really important one in terms of the film narrative. I really wish it had been included even in a "bonus" section with music-and-effects, since the sound effects really are more minimal than "A Crushing Affair", a cue that was included from an M&E track on Intrada's release of The Sand Pebbles in 2011 (also a Mike Mattesino project). I wonder why these two cues were left off of this release. Hell, they even had room to include the source music that the Blu-ray isolated score track included as well.

Yavar

[bruce marshall 1,403]

So..re: BLUE MAX

Varese was a big(?) improvement over Legacy

Intrada was a big improvement over Varese

Tallow improved Intrada

and finally.......LLL blows them all away?😳

 

[Lady Dimitrescu 9,087]

Film scores are the only genre I know of where fans like to claim each remaster is better than the previous, but in every other category remasters are generally regarded as inferior loudness wars losses.

[bruce marshall 1,403]

IN HARMS WAY (2013) certainly wasn't " better" than the SLC.

Right, Yavar?....

I said " right, Yavar!"😠

[1977 1,746]

Any comments about the artwork?

[Brundlefly 2,399]

1 hour ago, bruce marshall said:

So..re: BLUE MAX

Varese was a big(?) improvement over Legacy

Intrada was a big improvement over Varese

Tallow improved Intrada

and finally.......LLL blows them all away?😳

 

Tadlow is another recording, so that doesn't count.

[bruce marshall 1,403]

Well, Yavar says it does. 😎

[Brundlefly 2,399]

Whereas the LLL's master of The Blue Max might be the more admirable achievement, the Tadlow re-recording still sounds better, because it is a recording from 2016.

[Marian Schedenig 9,358]

8 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

So..re: BLUE MAX

Varese was a big(?) improvement over Legacy

Intrada was a big improvement over Varese

Tallow improved Intrada

and finally.......LLL blows them all away?😳

 

 

Yavar didn't compare the sound quality of Intrada/LLL vs Tadlow. And I definitely agree that the Intrada was an improvement and the LLL has by far the best sound of all the releases of the original recording. I like the Tadlow a lot and usually play it these days, and obviously it has modern acoustics. But while the LLL sounds "old", it's pefectly listenable, and anyone who wants to have the original recording should have that version.

[Brundlefly 2,399]

2 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said:

But while the LLL sounds "old", it's pefectly listenable, and anyone who wants to have the original recording should have that version.

Luckily, that's possible again in a few days.

[Matt C 482]

On 11/27/2020 at 9:55 AM, Thor said:

 

20th Century Fox doesn't exist anymore. UNDERWATER was the last film to screen under that logo, if I'm not mistaken. It's called 20th Century Studios now, under the Disney banner.

 

The new post-Disney 20th Century releases still bear the "©20th Century Fox Film Corporation" at the end of the film, i.e. Call of the Wild, Downhill and The Empty Man.

[Lady Dimitrescu 9,087]

You wait, they'll start replacing the Fox logo on older films.

[bruce marshall 1,403]

15 minutes ago, The Big Man said:

You wait, they'll start replacing the Fox logo on older films.

Well at least it WONT say " A Viacom Company" ( little inside the family joke😅).

[Jurassic Shark 13,671]

On 11/27/2020 at 3:55 PM, Thor said:

 

20th Century Fox doesn't exist anymore. UNDERWATER was the last film to screen under that logo, if I'm not mistaken. It's called 20th Century Studios now, under the Disney banner.

 

They should take it all out and call it Disney.

[Lady Dimitrescu 9,087]

It's so sad that a once mighty film studio like 20th Century Fox is now owned by a cartoon company for little girls

[Brundlefly 2,399]

@Yavar Moradi Do you have anything to say about The Flim-Flam Man? How does it compare to, let's say Take Her, She's Mine or other comedy scores?

[Thor 8,654]

I had the FSM release of THE FLIM-FLAM MAN once (still have it, but only the digital files) -- nice, but fairly non-descript Americana.

[Brundlefly 2,399]

It's a bit frustrating that there is still only one proper album cover of The Flim-Flam Man which is ugly as hell:

 

I'm gonna use that instead:

[Jay 40,201]

On 11/27/2020 at 4:28 PM, Jay said:

So Yavar, out of all the work Goldsmith did for Fox (film and TV), what scores are the ones that have yet to be available in complete form anywhere?

 

Bump!

[Yavar Moradi 3,111]

3 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

@Yavar Moradi Do you have anything to say about The Flim-Flam Man? How does it compare to, let's say Take Her, She's Mine or other comedy scores?

Well for one thing it’s not a comedy score.  I can see how the title might make you think that, but it’s actually lovely Americana for the most part, with some fun more lively tracks. It’s more related to Jerry’s lighter Americana western scores than anything else. I think I remember that you like Stagecoach, so you’ll like this I suspect. I confess I haven’t played the FSM a ton but whenever I do, I enjoy it.

 

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Bump!

 

So...I actually spent almost an hour working on a reply to you about this, several days ago. Only had a few things still to add. It seemed like the board's software had automatically saved it, as it usually does. And then I had to turn off my computer, and upon logging back in found that instead the board had saved my *previous* (already posted!) post as the "draft" instead of what I had spent so long working on. So I gotta redo it from scratch it seems. Will try soon.

 

Yavar

[Yavar Moradi 3,111]

3 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

It's a bit frustrating that there is still only one proper album cover of The Flim-Flam Man which is ugly as hell.

 

I completely agree and I was also really hoping for a cover for its pairing on the FSM disc, A Girl Named Sooner, which has never gotten one. I suspect a new edition of that will be in this series eventually, but I guess we won't get a standalone Jim Titus cover for it. Damn.

Here's a fairly neat cover my friend Brad Wills made and shared on the FSM board a while back, as well as his cover for A Girl Named Sooner, based on a paperback tie-in edition of the novel.

Yavar
 

[Jay 40,201]

1 hour ago, Yavar Moradi said:

So...I actually spent almost an hour working on a reply to you about this, several days ago. Only had a few things still to add. It seemed like the board's software had automatically saved it, as it usually does. And then I had to turn off my computer, and upon logging back in found that instead the board had saved my *previous* (already posted!) post as the "draft" instead of what I had spent so long working on. So I gotta redo it from scratch it seems. Will try soon.

 

Yavar

 

Ooof, that stinks!

 

I've taken to writing drafts in a Google Doc I just called "scrap paper" and then after I finally post something I can remove it form there

[Jurassic Shark 13,671]

Good idea!

[Yavar Moradi 3,111]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

Ooof, that stinks!

 

I've taken to write drafts in a Google Doc I just called "scrap paper" and then after I finally post something I can remove it form there

 

Yeah I often compose long posts in Gmail actually, since it auto-saves drafts, and then I copy and paste into a forum. But I thought this forum basically did that automatically, so I didn't bother. Alas...

 

Yavar

[Jay 40,201]

I think that the auto-save feature here is just saving it locally on that particular device, so if you switch devices (or you cleared your cookies or whatever), you wouldn't be able to access them

[Yavar Moradi 3,111]

3 minutes ago, Jay said:

I think that the auto-save feature here is just saving it locally on that particular device, so if you switch devices (or you cleared your cookies or whatever), you wouldn't be able to access them

 

Don't think so. I'm pretty sure I've started writing a reply on my phone, then logged into my computer to finish it and it's there, populating when I click in the reply field. I think it's tied to board login. My post sadly just got replaced by a different one I already posted.

Yavar

[Jay 40,201]

Bummer.  I've had that happen to me, too.  It's not a reliable feature, but maybe it will get better with future updates...

[Brundlefly 2,399]

The new update has brought some teething troubles to this forum, plus it replaced the original blue JWFan colour replaced with a random baby blue.

[Jay 40,201]

teething troubles?

 

I'm sure you're right about the different blue color but I've now wiped out whatever color values we used to have.  Oh well