WampaRat 1,105 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I imagine it would be a holy grail for some people. If ever released would you purchase Howard Shores rejected score to Peter Jackson’s King Kong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I would. But not sure if it wouldn't be better to just recorded a nicely rounded long album (not necessarily all of it) as a lot of the more important pieces were never recorded. Only the first third was actually completed, the middle bit never finished and the final third never recorded. So yeah, new recording would be a perfect solution. Karol WampaRat and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 Ah I didn’t realize he didn’t record some important scenes. I thought it was pretty much done and Jackson just ended up not liking it. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Here's what Doug Adams had to say about this earlier this year: Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Not sure if I would buy it, but I'd be interested in hearing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 Man oh man. It’s just so fascinating that after 3 mammoth LOTR productions and then later 3 mammoth Hobbit scores, why there was a hiccup in their partnership for this production. Just the overall “sound” or themes PJ didnt like I suppose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Yes. According to Jackson's biography: Quote Something was lost amid the creeping vines of Skull Island and the sparkling modernity of thirties New York. Maybe his operatic style was too synonymous with Middle-Earth, maybe the more heightened backdrop of King Kong didn't suit his seriousness, but director and composer found they were not on one another's wavelength. After a number of attempts to try and steer a mutual course, Jackson made the tough decision to go in a completely new direction. I don't know that prominent use of choir - as was Shore's wont - was really suitable for King Kong. Nevertheless, I would be interested in hearing it. WampaRat and crocodile 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 If I like it, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 481 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Oh hell yes! I was following the "Kong Is King" site when they originally posted those production and post-production diaries every week as they happened! And I remember (and have still downloaded) the Howard Shore video and then remember being really shocked when suddenly they were doing it with James Newton Howard without ever giving an explanation, and then having removed the Shore video! Don't get me wrong: I LOVE JNH's Kong score, but I was forever curious with what Shore did! I finally read that thread about the score and Doug's comments... WOW. I really hope it gets released someday! I think it would be perfectly fine to release what was recorded and release all the demos of what wasn't as bonus tracks. Or, maybe Shore would have the chance to record the unrecorded pieces someday? Either way I'd DEFINITELY buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Yes. Very few releases I would be more excited about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I'd be very curious to hear samples. Not sure whether it would end up being worth my money. JNH's fantastic score could end up being enough for me, since I'm not as much of a Shore fan as many of you. But regardless, it would of course be wonderful if this saw the light of day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 If it's any good, I suppose. No use losing sleep over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Would I buy Shore's score? Sure.😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Has any of Shore's KING KONG music ended-up in compilations, music suites, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 In a heartbeat. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 42 minutes ago, Bilbo said: In a heartbeat. Yeah, I think I'm with you, Bil. I'd buy it out of sheer curiosity. 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Has any of Shore's KING KONG music ended-up in compilations, music suites, etc? I just went on this new-fangled interweb thingy (apparently, it's very popular with the young), and found approximately 15 minutes of (supposedly) Shore's rejected score. It didn't sound much like Shore, to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,670 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 And that would be because it's not Shore: I'd love to hear Shore's score as a concept. JNH's more modern style works well in the film though - Shore's LotR sound is much more naturalistic, and maybe that was part of why PJ thought it didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Has any of Shore's KING KONG music ended-up in compilations, music suites, etc? Yes. These two movements were apparently adapted from the score: Karol Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Don’t composers recycle rejected material for other projects? Who is to say we haven’t heard the original King Kong themes in some other scores by Shore? (I think often this might be the barrier to releasing rejected scores.) GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Nah, that ship has sailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 345 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I love my Shore, but that stuff is just agnostic, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 11/28/2020 at 7:23 PM, Chen G. said: Yes. According to Jackson's biography: I don't know that prominent use of choir - as was Shore's wont - was really suitable for King Kong. Nevertheless, I would be interested in hearing it. That's some bollocks. Does, whoever wrote that, know what operatic means? What does he think JNH's score is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 JNH's score comes off much closer to the standard blockbuster thing that doesn't take itself too seriously. At least when compared to Shore's heavier sound. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 It sounded very Shore-ish in the Empire State Building bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I want his ' rejected' GODZILLA score more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,336 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 About Howard Shore I have the imipression, you can hear in his scores that he originally used to compose just for smaller ensembles. I guess "The Fly" was his first assignment for a bigger orchestra. Especially in the first two LotR scores I sometimes think, big sound, but not so much music in it that would justify why this is played by such a big orchestra. Especially in The Two Towers I often thought, this is like very slow chamber music played by a big orchestra. Return of the King is for me somehow Howard Shore's debut as an orchestral composer. Jurassic Shark and TheUlyssesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 What's Fellowship then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,336 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 A proof of concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 A good proof then, as it's the best of the three. Not to mention the Hobbit atrocities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I would LOVE a complete recording of Shore's score. I remember liking what we heard in that webisode thing during the pre-release marketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 9 hours ago, GerateWohl said: About Howard Shore I have the imipression, you can hear in his scores that he originally used to compose just for smaller ensembles. I guess "The Fly" was his first assignment for a bigger orchestra. Especially in the first two LotR scores I sometimes think, big sound, but not so much music in it that would justify why this is played by such a big orchestra. Especially in The Two Towers I often thought, this is like very slow chamber music played by a big orchestra. Return of the King is for me somehow Howard Shore's debut as an orchestral composer. What an insightful comment. I would say though that they definitely turned up the volume on the 1st two scores. They might not impress with orchestral hijinks but impress with the presence of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,336 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 9 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: A good proof then, as it's the best of the three. Not to mention the Hobbit atrocities... I am just listening again to The Fellowship. Like in the Two Towers there is so much unisono. Brass just playing the main melody of the choir and so on. A whole orchestra just playing chords with just one section playing a melody. And I remember being disapointed by the music for orks. I was looking forward to something rhythmically weird like Goldsmith Planet of the Apes. But we got something that seemed to be written rather for the Michael Nyman Band than for a big orchestra. I mean, the themes are great and the chorals are amazing. But first for me in Return of the King the orchestra was in full bloom. And yes, I would buy the rejected Kong score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I'm not saying it's perfect, but that to me, it's the most entertaining of the three. And in this case I don't think the simplicities you mentioned are bad for the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,336 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Well, I mean, the simplicity corresponds with the folkloristic character of most of the pieces. And it worked in the movie (except as mentioned for the orks). Anyway, at least I would agree, the first movie is the best of all three, of all six. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 I have never thought it sounded chamber, although I wouldn't think it was a bad thing if it did. I think Howard Shore's scores present themselves very crystalline. He seems to try to get the same sound as Pierre Boulez when he coaxes an orchestra. Orchestras mustn't always sound thick, in my opinion. There is room for Sibelius next to Mahler on my shelf. Personally, I think it sounds like Der Ring most of the time, although the Karajan recording. Shore's presentation of his work has never had the feverish intensity of the Screaming Skull, Georg Solti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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