Jerry Goldsmith's INCHON (1981) - 2020 Intrada 3-CD

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Only when they're dead to him.

 

 

[Yavar Moradi 2,593]

20 minutes ago, rough cut said:

 Never heard of this film.

Consider yourself lucky. It may just be the worst thing Goldsmith ever scored. His music is pretty much the only good thing about it.

 

Yavar

[bruce marshall 1,315]

5 hours ago, Jay said:

Sorry mate but I think you're the odd one of if you feel that liking a film is a requirement for liking a score

I've tried to watch every film of a score I own. In the last year or so I've checked off ;

-FORBIN:

-EXORCIST II

-THE WHISPERERS

- COLOSSUS OF NEW YORK

- BENEATH 12 MILE REEF

-BUSTING...

 

 

Still haven't seen:

THE DOMINO PRINCIPLE

BAT-22.

THE SENTINEL

THE SPACE CHILDREN

ZIGZAG....

 

I only count full scores, not compilations.

-

 

[Brundlefly 2,385]

2 hours ago, publicist said:

The score isn't nearly as interesting as its release history suggests.

I must admit there would have been many possibilities for Intrada to conclude this magnificent year of Goldsmith releases with something more exciting than a goddamn 3CD set of Inchon!

 

I'd like to finally get a remastered re-release of The Boys from Brazil, since my copy is damaged and it would be nice to have that substantial score back in print. (Maybe they could also ban that awful song from the main program.)

 

If the sound improvement gets very high praise from the first buyers, I would consider getting it.

 

43 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said:

Consider yourself lucky. It may just be the worst thing Goldsmith ever scored. His music is pretty much the only good thing about it.

Take a look at my complete Goldsmith feature film list and you'll find out that it has by far the worst rating on IMDb among all Goldsmith-scored movies!

[bruce marshall 1,315]

Worse than LEGEND!!!!????

 

MY GOD!😵

[Brundlefly 2,385]

Legend has a 6,5 rating

Inchon has a 2,6 rating

[bruce marshall 1,315]

2 minutes ago, Brundlefly said:

Legend has a 6,5 rating

Inchon has a 2,6 rating

 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Daww, Legend is okay. A bit silly and corny, and aesthetically pleasing. Not the worst. Not the best either.

[bruce marshall 1,315]

I literally had to fight to keep from falling asleep!

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Maybe you were sleepy.

[Bespin 8,480]

Is it quite unusual to have two different presentations of "The score" on an expansion? 

[Brundlefly 2,385]

Is anyone able to tell me, what the separate cues from disc 3 were joined to on disc 2?

[Jay 37,336]

2 hours ago, Bespin said:

Is it quite unusual to have two different presentations of "The score" on an expansion? 

 

Yes

 

2 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

Is anyone able to tell me, what the separate cues from disc 3 were joined to on disc 2?

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ve3EkHFeDZwy2rkoBBMxH_Kbrcx-CgZNKhnDh_RTzCQ

[Marian Schedenig 8,191]

11 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

Not liking a film, seeing a film.

I have hundreds of scores and I've seen all but a handful.

 

Why would I have to see a film to like its music?

[Jay 37,336]

If we think of the score as being comprised of 31 cues [the 31 tracks on disc 3 here], it's interesting to see how each album has been constructed.

 

For the original OST LP, Jerry took 6 of the 31 cues and put them in their own track

 

OST 1 Main Title = cue2 Main Title
OST 2 Resignation = cue23 Resignation
OST 3 The Bridge = cue3 The Bridge/Tanks Arrive
OST 8 Love Theme = cue31 Love Theme
OST 11 The Trucks = cue13 The Trucks
OST 12 Inchon Theme = cue28 Inchon Theme

 

And then took an additional 13 cues and did some crossfading and occasional editing to create 6 suite tracks

 

OST 4 The Church = cue9 The Church [with the final 40ish seconds removed] + cue26 The Scroll
OST 5 The Mines = cue22 The Mines [with 40 second removed] + cue29 The Children (Alternate)
OST 6 Task Force = cue21 The Ships + cue27 Task Force [with the opening 28 seconds removed]
OST 7 Medley = cue5 MacArthur + cue14 Lim and the Children
OST 9 The Tanks = cue7 The Tragedy + cue12 The Tanks [with 13 seconds removed]
OST 10 Lim's Death = cue25 Lim's Death + cue16 The Pledge + cue8 A Change of Course

 

So the result is this:

 

side1
OST 1 Main Title = cue2 Main Title
OST 2 Resignation = cue23 Resignation
OST 3 The Bridge = cue3 The Bridge/Tanks Arrive
OST 4 The Church = cue9 The Church [with the final 40ish seconds removed] + cue26 The Scroll
OST 5 The Mines = cue22 The Mines [with 40 second removed] + cue29 The Children (Alternate)
OST 6 Task Force = cue21 The Ships + cue27 Task Force [with the opening 28 seconds removed]
side2
OST 7 Medley = cue5 MacArthur + cue14 Lim and the Children
OST 8 Love Theme = cue31 Love Theme
OST 9 The Tanks = cue7 The Tragedy + cue12 The Tanks [with 13 seconds removed]
OST 10 Lim's Death = cue25 Lim's Death + cue16 The Pledge + cue8 A Change of Course
OST 11 The Trucks = cue13 The Trucks
OST 12 Inchon Theme = cue28 Inchon Theme

 

So that's 19 of the 31 cues included, 6 in their own tracks and 13 in 6 suite tracks, with 4 cues having sections edited out

 

 

For the 1988 expansion, he kept 8 of the OST tracks exactly as they were

 

1988 2 Resignation = OST 2 Resignation = cue23 Resignation
1988 4 The Bridge = OST 3 The Bridge = cue3 The Bridge/Tanks Arrive
1988 11 Task Force = OST 6 Task Force = cue21 The Ships + cue27 Task Force [still has the opening 28 seconds removed]
1988 12 Medley = OST 7 Medley = cue5 MacArthur + cue14 Lim and the Children
1988 18 Lim's Death = OST 10 Lim's Death = cue25 Lim's Death + cue16 The Pledge + cue8 A Change of Course
1988 14 Love Theme = OST 8 Love Theme = cue31 Love Theme
1988 19 The Trucks = OST 11 The Trucks = cue13 The Trucks
1988 20 Inchon Theme OST 12 Inchon Theme = cue28 Inchon Theme

 

For 3 OST tracks, he restored music he had previously edited out (but retained the same crossfades)

 

1988 6 The Church = OST 4 The Church = cue9 The Church [now with the full ending restored] + cue26 The Scroll
1988 7 The Mines = OST 5 The Mines = cue22 The Mines [no longer has 40 second removed] + cue29 The Children (Alternate)
1988 16 The Tanks = OST 9 The Tanks = cue7 The Tragedy + cue12 The Tanks [no longer has 13 seconds removed]

 

And he took a cue that used to be in its own track (Main Title) and added a previously unreleased cue (Prologue) and crossfaded them together

 

1988 1 Prologue and Main Title = cue1 Prolgue + cue2 Main Title

 

For the previously unreleased music, he grabbed 6 cues and put them in their own track

 

1988 9 The 38th Parallel = cue4 The 38th Parallel
1988 17 MacArthur's Arrival = cue10 MacArthur's Arrival
1988 13 Inchon Harbor = cue11 The Harbor
1988 3 The Children = cue17 The Children
1988 5 The Apology = cue18 The Apology
1988 8 The Landing = cue24 The Landing

 

And then he took 4 more previously unreleased cues and created 2 new suite tracks

 

1988 10 Corpses = cue15 Corpses + cue19 The Clockwatcher
1988 15 The Lighthouse = cue6 The Aftermath + cue20 The Lighthouse

 

So the result is this:

 

1988 1 Prologue and Main Title = cue1 Prolgue + cue2 Main Title
1988 2 Resignation = OST 2 Resignation = cue23 Resignation
1988 3 The Children = cue17 The Children
1988 4 The Bridge = OST 3 The Bridge = cue3 The Bridge/Tanks Arrive
1988 5 The Apology = cue18 The Apology
1988 6 The Church = OST 4 The Church = cue9 The Church [now with the full ending restored] + cue26 The Scroll
1988 7 The Mines = OST 5 The Mines = cue22 The Mines [no longer has 40 second removed] + cue29 The Children (Alternate)
1988 8 The Landing = cue24 The Landing
1988 9 The 38th Parallel = cue4 The 38th Parallel
1988 10 Corpses = cue15 Corpses + cue19 The Clockwatcher
1988 11 Task Force = OST 6 Task Force = cue21 The Ships + cue27 Task Force [still has the opening 28 seconds removed]
1988 12 Medley = OST 7 Medley = cue5 MacArthur + cue14 Lim and the Children
1988 13 Inchon Harbor = cue11 The Harbor
1988 14 Love Theme = OST 8 Love Theme = cue31 Love Theme
1988 15 The Lighthouse = cue6 The Aftermath + cue20 The Lighthouse
1988 16 The Tanks = OST 9 The Tanks = cue7 The Tragedy + cue12 The Tanks [no longer has 13 seconds removed]

1988 17 MacArthur's Arrival = cue10 MacArthur's Arrival
1988 18 Lim's Death = OST 10 Lim's Death = cue25 Lim's Death + cue16 The Pledge + cue8 A Change of Course
1988 19 The Trucks = OST 11 The Trucks = cue13 The Trucks
1988 20 Inchon Theme OST 12 Inchon Theme = cue28 Inchon Theme

 

As you can see, all 12 OST tracks are in the exact same order, and all the previously unreleased music is released in between them

 

So that's 30 of the 31 cues released, 11 in their own tracks and 19 in 9 suite tracks, with 1 cue still having a section missing

 

For the 2006 edition, Intrada kept 7 of the OST tracks the same as they always have been

 

2006 02 The Bridge = 1988 4 The Bridge = OST 3 The Bridge = cue3 The Bridge/Tanks Arrive
2006 04 The Medley = 1988 12 Medley = OST 7 Medley = cue5 MacArthur + cue14 Lim and the Children
2006 05 Love Theme [Album Version] = 1988 14 Love Theme = OST 8 Love Theme = cue31 Love Theme
2006 12 The Trucks = 1988 19 The Trucks = OST 11 The Trucks = cue13 The Trucks
2006 19 Resignation = 1988 2 Resignation = OST 2 Resignation = cue23 Resignation
2006 23 Task Force = 1988 11 Task Force = OST 6 Task Force = cue21 The Ships + cue27 Task Force
2006 24 Inchon Theme = 1988 20 Inchon Theme OST 12 Inchon Theme = cue28 Inchon Theme

 

And kept 2 of the "modified" OST tracks the same as they were on the 1988 edition

 

2006 1 Prologue and Main Title = 1988 1 Prologue and Main Title = cue1 Prolgue + cue2 Main Title
2006 18 The Mines = 1988 7 The Mines = OST 5 The Mines = cue22 The Mines [no longer has 40 second removed] + cue29 The Children (Alternate)

 

But curiously reverted one track that previously had music restored for the 1988 edition back to its OST edit that deleted that music

 

2006 7 The Tanks = OST 9 The Tanks = cue7 The Tragedy + cue12 The Tanks [with 13 seconds removed]

 

And also two OST tracks that combined cues, and was retained that way for the 1988 edition, is now newly broken up into separate tracks

 

2006 8 A Change Of Course = cue8 A Change of Course, which use to be inside OST 10 Lim's Death / 1988 18 Lim's Death
2006 21 Lim's Death = cue25 Lim's Death + cue16 The Pledge, which are combined the same way in OST 10 Lim's Death / 1988 18 Lim's Death

2006 9 The Church = cue9 The Church, which used to be inside 1988 6 The Church [unedited] / OST 4 The Church [edited]
2006 22 The Scroll = cue22 The Scroll, which used to be inside 1988 6 The Church / OST 4 The Church

 

The 6 non-OST cues that were in their own track on the 1988 edition remain in their own track here

 

2006 3 The 38th Parallel = 1988 9 The 38th Parallel = cue4 The 38th Parallel
2006 10 MacArthur's Arrival = 1988 17 MacArthur's Arrival = cue10 MacArthur's Arrival
2006 11 The Harbor = 1988 13 Inchon Harbor = cue11 The Harbor
2006 14 The Children = 1988 3 The Children = cue17 The Children
2006 15 The Apology = 1988 5 The Apology = cue18 The Apology
2006 20 The Landing = 1988 8 The Landing = cue24 The Landing

 

And 4 cues that were part of suite tracks on the 1988 edition are now released in their own tracks here

 

2006 13 Corpses = cue15 Corpses, which was inside 1988 10 Corpses before
2006 17 The Clock Watcher = cue19 The Clock Watcher, which was inside 1988 10 Corpses before
2006 6 The Aftermath = cue6 The Aftermath, which was inside 1988 15 The Lighthouse before
2006 16 The Lighthouse = cue20 The Lighthouse, which was inside 1988 15 The Lighthouse before

 

So the result is this:

 

2006 1 Prologue and Main Title = 1988 1 Prologue and Main Title = cue1 Prologue + cue2 Main Title
2006 2 The Bridge = 1988 4 The Bridge = OST 3 The Bridge = cue3 The Bridge/Tanks Arrive
2006 3 The 38th Parallel = 1988 9 The 38th Parallel = cue4 The 38th Parallel
2006 4 The Medley = 1988 12 Medley = OST 7 Medley = cue5 MacArthur + cue14 Lim and the Children
2006 5 Love Theme [Album Version] = 1988 14 Love Theme = OST 8 Love Theme = cue31 Love Theme
2006 6 The Aftermath = cue6 The Aftermath, which was inside 1988 15 The Lighthouse before
2006 7 The Tanks = OST 9 The Tanks = cue7 The Tragedy + cue12 The Tanks [with 13 seconds removed]

2006 8 A Change Of Course = cue8 A Change of Course, which use to be inside OST 10 Lim's Death / 1988 18 Lim's Death
2006 9 The Church = cue9 The Church, which used to be inside 1988 6 The Church [unedited] / OST 4 The Church [edited]
2006 10 MacArthur's Arrival = 1988 17 MacArthur's Arrival = cue10 MacArthur's Arrival
2006 11 The Harbor = 1988 13 Inchon Harbor = cue11 The Harbor
2006 12 The Trucks = 1988 19 The Trucks = OST 11 The Trucks = cue13 The Trucks
2006 13 Corpses = cue15 Corpses, which was inside 1988 10 Corpses before
2006 14 The Children = 1988 3 The Children = cue17 The Children
2006 15 The Apology = 1988 5 The Apology = cue18 The Apology
2006 16 The Lighthouse = cue20 The Lighthouse, which was inside 1988 15 The Lighthouse before
2006 17 The Clock Watcher = cue19 The Clock Watcher, which was inside 1988 10 Corpses before
2006 18 The Mines = 1988 7 The Mines = OST 5 The Mines = cue22 The Mines [no longer has 40 second removed] + cue29 The Children (Alternate)
2006 19 Resignation = 1988 2 Resignation = OST 2 Resignation = cue23 Resignation
2006 20 The Landing = 1988 8 The Landing = cue24 The Landing
2006 21 Lim's Death = cue25 Lim's Death + cue16 The Pledge, which are combined the same way in OST 10 Lim's Death / 1988 18 Lim's Death
2006 22 The Scroll = cue22 The Scroll, which used to be inside 1988 6 The Church / OST 4 The Church
2006 23 Task Force = 1988 11 Task Force = OST 6 Task Force = cue21 The Ships + cue27 Task Force
2006 24 Inchon Theme = 1988 20 Inchon Theme OST 12 Inchon Theme = cue28 Inchon Theme

 

So as you can see it's mostly chronological, but for any track that crossfaded cues from different parts of the movie together they chose the spot where one of the cue goes chronologically to place the entire suite track.

 

So that's 30 of the 31 cues released, 18 in their own tracks and 11 in 6 suite tracks, with 1 cue still having a section missing

 

Then the 2020 disc 3 simply puts each of the 31 cues in their own track with no crossfading

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

[Brundlefly 2,385]

Why did they even bother re-arranging the thing in 2006, when it wasn't for C&C's sake? I mean it's even less music than on the 1988 version. Also marvelled about the fact that they didn't give Inchon the 2020 treatment back in 2013.

[Jay 37,336]

I think it's cool that in 1988 Jerry got to revisit the score and make a new program that retained the ideas he used for the OST, and made new assemblies of cues to go in between them to make a new longer album of the whole score.  It's rare for a composer to get to revisit a score like that!

 

Is it a bit odd that in 2006 instead of giving us the presentation we are getting now of just putting  every cue in its own track, they picked and chose between retaining OST combos or not - an interesting half-measure of a new presentation.  It's neither complete nor chronological, nor abridged and arranged in the same way the OST or 1988 edition were - it's a hybrid of all ideas.

 

And then for this edition, the new disc 3 presentation looks fantastic, the samples sound great, and you can hear some of the never-before-heard music (like the opening of "Task Force") in the samples... but why retain the 2006 hybrid program on the second disc?  Why not Jerry's 1988 program?  Or even better, why not just make a 2disc set with the OST program followed by everything needed to re-create the 1988 or 2006 programs via a playlist as bonus tracks on disc 1, and this new complete presentation on disc 2?

Just interesting ideas to ponder on, I'm not complaining at all about getting a wonderful new complete presentation plus the OST program for $30.  Can't wait for it to arrive!

[bruce marshall 1,315]

There are folks out there who freak out if cues are crossfaded.

I've tried to get help for them but but they don't want it.😞

Just now, bruce marshall said:

There are folks out there who freak out if cues are crossfaded.

I've tried to get help for them but but they don't want it.😞

 

 

 

Btw If Jay isn't employed as a music editor, he should be#😊

[Jay 37,336]

I'd love to be!

[Brundlefly 2,385]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

And then for this edition, the new disc 3 presentation looks fantastic, the samples sound great, and you can hear some of the never-before-heard music (like the opening of "Task Force") in the samples... but why retain the 2006 hybrid program on the second disc?  Why not Jerry's 1988 program?  Or even better, why not just make a 2disc set with the OST program followed by everything needed to re-create the 1988 or 2006 programs via a playlist as bonus tracks on disc 1, and this new complete presentation on disc 2?

This new edition makes all three Intrada releases (2006, 2013, 2020) look a bit odd in retrospect.

[bruce marshall 1,315]

13 hours ago, The Big Man said:

Maybe you were sleepy.

At least the Tangerine Dream synthesizer score might have helped me stay awake!

16 hours ago, publicist said:

The score isn't nearly as interesting as its release history suggests.

Nor as interesting as The Goldsmith Odyssey program#😊

[1977 1,743]

So this is only available as a high-res download and not lossy? Weird.

[publicist 4,643]

16 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said:

Why would I have to see a film to like its music?

 

You can't make extensive spreadsheets without having seen it. It also enhances the pleasure of waiting for the inevitable 150th release because of an unreleased 15-second transition.

[bruce marshall 1,315]

I used to crack up reading the complaints 'on that other forum- about crossfades. Truly unhinged ravings from people who should be committed to Arkham Asylum!

I suggested Fake start a pop group called " Doug Fake and His Crossfade Crazies".

 

Re: c and c

My favorite snarky  comment was about MORNINGSTAR":

"Finally! I've been waiting years for that fifteen second cue where he takes a piss behind a bush". 😆

[Brundlefly 2,385]

The problem of the Crossfade Crazies is that it is no longer about the music in this camp.

 

Most endings of short cues are sustained bass notes anyway - so what's the point?

[Jurassic Shark 12,051]

Sustained bass notes are what these people live for.

[Yavar Moradi 2,593]

4 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

The problem of the Crossfade Crazies is that it is no longer about the music in this camp.

 

Most endings of short cues are sustained bass notes anyway - so what's the point?

...and see @Jay, this is why Intrada keeping the Disc 2 program they created in 2006 (and later reissued) is a good thing — some people like Brundlefly want the complete score in roughly story order, but like the assembly with some cues crossfaded rather than what is on Disc 3 of this set. I guess Intrada could have also done a four disc release of this score shorter than an hour long, to include the 1988 program as well, but that would’ve been even nuttier in its own way. (One note that might interest you, Brundlefly: the Prologue and Main Title were never originally intended to be combined, are not that way in the film, and the original LP program featured the Main Title without the Prologue cross fading into it. Now we will have a discrete version of the Prologue for the first time ever.)

 

Yavar

[Jay 37,336]

3 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

...and see @Jay, this is why Intrada keeping the Disc 2 program they created in 2006 (and later reissued) is a good thing — some people like Brundlefly want the complete score in roughly story order, but like the assembly with some cues crossfaded rather than what is on Disc 3 of this set.

 

But that still doesn't make sense.

 

The OST is completely abridged and arranged, with only six cues in their own tracks, and then six suite tracks

 

The 1988 edition is unabridged but even more arranged, with only a third of the score's cues in their own tracks, and the other two thirds of the cues represented in 9 suite tracks

 

The 2006 edition un-did half of the suite tracks, breaking out cues in them into their own tracks.  It's a half measure in between pleasing the pro-crossfaders and the anti-crossfaders.  The 1988 program would have been the one to keep if you were going to keep anything besides the original OST program, then the pro-crossfaders would have disc 2 and the anti-crossfaders would have disc 3.

[bruce marshall 1,315]

7 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

The problem of the Crossfade Crazies is that it is no longer about the music in this camp.

 

Most endings of short cues are sustained bass notes anyway - so what's the point?

When that Holiest of Grails, BTTF, was released one fanatic screamed about " Its Been Educational" being faded into " Clocktower" and went on a rant about how he had to keep his bootleg.

Needless to say, I never stopped ribbing him about his meltdown😅😅😅😅

7 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Sustained bass notes are what these people live for.

Nobody did that better than Morricone!

[Jay 37,336]

Crossfading cues that are combined in the film and were always intended by the composer to be be crossfaded is pretty standard practice for an expansion and it's funny that guy got so worked up about it about BTTF

Crossfading cues together just for listening purpose is pretty standard for an OST albums, but not something I hardly ever appreciate on an expanded release.

 

But as with everything, it always varies from score to score which editing ideas work best at which spots!

[Brundlefly 2,385]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

The 2006 edition un-did half of the suite tracks, breaking out a bunch of cues cues in them into their own tracks.  It's a half measure in between pleasing the pro-crossfaders and the anti-crossfaders.  The 1988 program would have been the one to keep if you were going to keep anything besides the original OST program, then the pro-crossfaders would have disc 2 and the anti-crossfaders would have disc 3.

In short - to create the 2006 program didn't make that much sense in 2006 it didn't make much sense to just re-release it in 2013 and it doesn't make much sense to do it yet again in 2020.

 

My suggestion for this new release would have been:

Disc 1 Complete Score in Sequence

Disc2 Long OOP 1988 Program

[Yavar Moradi 2,593]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

 

But that still doesn't make sense.

 

The OST is completely abridged and arranged, with only six cues in their own tracks, and then six suite tracks

 

The 1988 edition is unabridged but even more arranged, with only a third of the score's cues in their own tracks, and the other two thirds of the cues represented in 9 suite tracks

 

The 2006 edition un-did half of the suite tracks, breaking out cues in them into their own tracks.  It's a half measure in between pleasing the pro-crossfaders and the anti-crossfaders.  The 1988 program would have been the one to keep if you were going to keep anything besides the original OST program, then the pro-crossfaders would have disc 2 and the anti-crossfaders would have disc 3.

 

But the 1988 program did not approximate story order, but was rearranged for "listening purposes". The 2006 edition had more of a story narrative flow to it, but kept lots of Jerry's preferred cue combinations/crossfades. That seems more ideal for someone like Brundlefly.

There are pro-crossfaders and anti-crossfaders (who want every cue discrete). But there are also pro-C&Cers and anti-C&Cers. (C&C=Complete and Chronological).

For someone like Thor their preferred program would be the re-arranged and truncated 38 minute original album. For someone like me (and you, I think?) their preferred program would be Disc 3 of the new Intrada, with every cue complete (and chronological) without any shaved-off endings or beginnings for crossfade purposes. But in between are the 1988 and 2006 programs which are semi-complete, use combinations and crossfades, but one goes for story chronology while the other doesn't. I imagine there are people in between Thor and us (like perhaps Brundlefly) who don't want "a collection of cues" as Bruce puts it, but do want all or most of the music. Some of them might care about story chronology and some of them might not. It's hard to please everyone. Maybe Intrada should have made this a 4-CD set, lol... you pointed out that the 1988 version even had a unique cue assembly or two itself.

 

16 minutes ago, Brundlefly said:

In short - to create the 2006 program didn't make that much sense in 2006 it didn't make much sense to just re-release it in 2013 and it doesn't make much sense to do it yet again in 2020.

 

My suggestion for this new release would have been:

Disc 1 Complete Score in Sequence

Disc2 Long OOP 1988 Program

 

That would make the most sense for you (and me, actually, since I have the 2006 edition), but what about people who missed out on the previous two editions which had two distinct other programs including the original LP arrangement? Mightn't they feel annoyed or left out? Wouldn't some of them want one of the programs left off?

Yavar

[bruce marshall 1,315]

The LP of OUTLAW JOSEY WALES crossfades music from the opening of the film into the main title ( kind of like the Bond films do).

Fielding made a brilliant editorial decision .A release that eliminates this artistic choice would be shameful.

 

[Jay 37,336]

1 hour ago, Brundlefly said:

In short - to create the 2006 program didn't make that much sense in 2006 it didn't make much sense to just re-release it in 2013 and it doesn't make much sense to do it yet again in 2020.

 

I dunno.  I think every producer working for the specialty labels puts thought and consideration into the albums they produce, and they have their finger on the pulse of what the consumer prefers.

 

Perhaps they thought Jerry was too aggressive with some of the crossfades he used for the OST or 1988 edition and the score played better with those undone, as well as a generally more chronological presentation.

The most important thing is the experience you have when you sit down and press play.  Looking at the 2006 make-up on paper (on screen?) may make it seem like an odd presentation, but maybe after careful consideration they found it worked better than the 1988 and that more of their audience would appreciate it over the 1988 edition.

 

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My suggestion for this new release would have been:

Disc 1 Complete Score in Sequence

Disc2 Long OOP 1988 Program

 

I like my idea of

 

Disc 1 Complete Score in Sequence

Disc2 Original 1982 OST program + bonus tracks that the end user can use to make playlists that recreate either the 1988 or 2006 programs.

 

1 hour ago, Yavar Moradi said:

But the 1988 program did not approximate story order, but was rearranged for "listening purposes".

 

I dunno if I'd describe it that way - it's really just the OST program, with additional cues and suite tracks placed in between various tracks.  It isn't a different, new arrangement of the score, really - it's more like a longer OST.  It still suffers from what I consider to be the OST program's biggest flaw: Placing the climax of the score ("Task Force") as the "side 1" closer instead of the overall closer (other than the Inchon Theme track to wrap up after).  This kind of stuff made sense in the 60s-80s in a vinyl-led world but it surprises me every time to hear such a "big finish" occurring only half way through the CD!

 

The 2006 edition really is closer to a totally new arrangement, going almost in story order.  Finally Task Force gets to be the actual climax of the album!

 

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The 2006 edition had more of a story narrative flow to it, but kept lots of Jerry's preferred cue combinations/crossfades. That seems more ideal for someone like Brundlefly.

 

I dunno about that either.  It keeps 4 of "Jerry's preferred cue combinations/crossfades", but un-does 5 others (some he made for the OST, some he made for the 1988).

 

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There are pro-crossfaders and anti-crossfaders (who want every cue discrete). But there are also pro-C&Cers and anti-C&Cers. (C&C=Complete and Chronological).

For someone like Thor their preferred program would be the re-arranged and truncated 38 minute original album. For someone like me (and you, I think?) their preferred program would be Disc 3 of the new Intrada, with every cue complete (and chronological) without any shaved-off endings or beginnings for crossfade purposes.

 

Oh no doubt, the new disc 3 program here is my preference and it looks fantastic and I cannot wait to hear it (and happily gave Intrada $30 for it).

Every score is different and for this particular score, I really find that the entirety of Jerry's cues are all interesting, and work fine with complete openings and closings.  Crossfading doesn't improve things in this particular score, for me personally.

 

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But in between are the 1988 and 2006 programs which are semi-complete, use combinations and crossfades, but one goes for story chronology while the other doesn't. I imagine there are people in between Thor and us (like perhaps Brundlefly) who don't want "a collection of cues" as Bruce puts it, but do want all or most of the music. Some of them might care about story chronology and some of them might not. It's hard to please everyone. Maybe Intrada should have made this a 4-CD set, lol... you pointed out that the 1988 version even had a unique cue assembly or two itself.

 

It's completely impossible to please everyone - no doubt!  However, I've found from decades of reading message boards, that the people who tend to prefer arranged albums almost always also prefer shorter presentations as well.  So it is, of course, completely wonderful to me that the OST program Jerry made in 1981 is included here!  I think it will please just about everyone who  might find the 31 track, every cue in its own track program to be too much, and/or too stop-and-go.

 

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That would make the most sense for you (and me, actually, since I have the 2006 edition), but what about people who missed out on the previous two editions which had two distinct other programs including the original LP arrangement? Mightn't they feel annoyed or left out? Wouldn't some of them want one of the programs left off?

Yavar

 

I think there are far more people who would be annoyed if the OST program was left off than either the 1988 or 2006 program.

 

In fact, if they new edition was announced as a 2disc set with only the new 31 track program on one disc and the OST program on the other, I don't think anybody would have even complained at all!

[Brundlefly 2,385]

Still thinking about whether I will get it or not. A considerable pro is the fact that a selection of cues that had awful hiss and distortion on all former releases now got fixed - the hiss and the distortion seem to be gone entirely. The rest sounds exactly the same.

[bruce marshall 1,315]

Sold out.........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.....past editions😝

[Brundlefly 2,385]

Maybe, if Intrada is willing to improve upon former Inchon releases, they'll do the same with The Mummy.

[Brundlefly 2,385]

The sound of the new set is considerably better on some tracks, to be precise some awful distortions and the dominant hiss could be removed. Besides the weird resonance of the much too small room, where the recording took place, was successfully diminished. It does sound like a professional studio recording now.

[Jay 37,336]

Great to hear!

I've been too busy to open this one up yet!

[Brundlefly 2,385]

However, I have to mention that on the new release the recording got "night-crossed", to the extent that a bunch of clicks resembling those infamous ones form Night Crossing are now audible.

 

1 minute ago, Jay said:

I've been too busy to open this one up yet!

Tell me whether you were able to take out the second disc. I wasn't. It's funny because that is the disc that was considered superfluous by many.

[Jay 37,336]

What do you mean, the teeth holding it in won't let it go?

[Brundlefly 2,385]

Yep.

[Jay 37,336]

I hate it when that happens

[Brundlefly 2,385]

Happens the first time for me, because of the special inner tray, but it's also the first time that I can absolutely live without one of the discs.

[Jay 37,336]

Is the clicking noise people are talking about in Night Crossing the new Inchon the same as the clicking noise in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade?

[Marian Schedenig 8,191]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

Is the clicking noise people are talking about in Night Crossing the new Inchon the same as the clicking noise in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade?

 

(Spoilered, for those who are blissfully ignorant of it and want to keep things that way)

 

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The only clicking noise I remember from LC is what seems to be a click track that can sometimes be heard when everything else is quite. I believe that was already on the original CD album. In Night Crossing, you have something that sounds like a digital click (but since it's supposedly in the sources, I expect it's analogue) that can be heard even when the orchestra is playing. And it's not as frequent nor quite as regular as a click track, I think the pops appear roughly every 20 seconds. It's enough to drive you mad once you've heard it and can't help but expect the next pop to appear.

 

[Jay 37,336]

OK, thanks

[Marian Schedenig 8,191]

For the record, my LC comment was purely from memory, and you may be referring to something else I'm not aware of. But the slight click tracky thing I seem to remember from LC and a couple of other scores has never bothered me in the slightest. Unlike NC, sadly.

[Jay 37,336]

Yea the clicks I'm talking about in Last Crusade sound like a click track and are most easily heard at the very beginning of most cues