Under-Terrestrial 51 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 https://music.apple.com/nz/album/soul-original-motion-picture-soundtrack/1543828609 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I was stumped about this composer casting before MANK. But after MANK, I'd say they are definitely up to the task of scoring a Pixar movie. Looking forward to this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Is this the right movie for their techno music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, The Big Man said: Is this the right movie for their techno music? They don't do techno (they've mostly done dark ambient in the past), plus it says 'jazz' there on the cover. Furthermore - and as previously noted - check out MANK as an example of a brand new, orchestral/jazz sound from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under-Terrestrial 51 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Big Man said: Is this the right movie for their techno music? Judging from this clip, it might very well be! My understanding is that Jon Batiste is covering the source jazz music (diagetic and non-) for the real-world sequences, and Reznor/Ross are addressing the ethereal nature of the soul worlds. The Reznor/Ross input definitely sounds in-line with their electronic/minimalist work on prior films. What's funny is that according to an interview they did recently, they scored Soul prior to Mank, where they then flexed their symphonic/jazz muscles. I wonder if Pixar would've asked Reznor/Ross to score the entirety of Soul (jazz music included) if they heard their work on Mank ahead of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Under-Terrestrial said: Judging from this clip, it might very well be! My understanding is that Jon Batiste is covering the source jazz music (diagetic and non-) for the real-world sequences, and Reznor/Ross are addressing the ethereal nature of the soul worlds. The Reznor/Ross input definitely sounds in-line with their electronic/minimalist work on prior films. What's funny is that according to an interview they did recently, they scored Soul prior to Mank, where they then flexed their symphonic/jazz muscles. I wonder if Pixar would've asked Reznor/Ross to score the entirety of Soul (jazz music included) if they heard their work on Mank ahead of time. That's interesting! I'm a fan of theirs, whether it's the dark ambient/electronic stuff, or the new doors they opened with MANK. If this is a more open, electronic landscape -- perhaps something a la MID90s (their most extrovert score up untill now) -- I'd welcome that as well. TSMefford and Under-Terrestrial 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 That's all fine but they're scoring a PIXAR movie for Christ's sake. They had better injected some genuine emotion into the music. While I appreciate the constructs of their past material, everything I've heard still feels a bit... cold. Look at every PIXAR composer before them... two Newmans, Giacchino, the Dannas. They all delivered on the heartstrings. I just can't imagine Reznor and Ross achieving this on that level. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Listen to MANK, Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Batistebis super talented. Don't know if he has composing chops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Thor said: Listen to MANK, Lee. I've heard a few bits. It's impressive... and unlike anything I'd have expected from the duo. So that's encouraging. However, a PIXAR film score just has to move you. And, so far, there has been little disappointment... from seasoned composers who know their way around. I'm slightly optimistic after Mank but they better deliver some teardrops or goosebumps. Otherwise it's not a PIXAR score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under-Terrestrial 51 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, LSH said: I've heard a few bits. It's impressive... and unlike anything I'd have expected from the duo. So that's encouraging. However, a PIXAR film score just has to move you. And, so far, there has been little disappointment... from seasoned composers who know their way around. I'm slightly optimistic after Mank but they better deliver some teardrops or goosebumps. Otherwise it's not a PIXAR score. We'll have to see! Saw a video interview where Pete Docter (director) said they were consciously trying to get away from the symphonic Pixar score sound. That of course doesn't mean that we can't get an overtly emotional score, but Reznor/Ross may also be more interested in teasing out more elusive, plaintive feelings than people are used to with Pixar music. Regardless, if Soul's story and characters are up to snuff (which seems to be the case), I have faith that however Reznor/Ross have chosen to support that story will make sense in context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 THREE composers?! Isn't that like ......Zimmer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Under-Terrestrial said: We'll have to see! Saw a video interview where Pete Docter (director) said they were consciously trying to get away from the symphonic Pixar score sound. That of course doesn't mean that we can't get an overtly emotional score, but Reznor/Ross may also be more interested in teasing out more elusive, plaintive feelings than people are used to with Pixar music. Regardless, if Soul's story and characters are up to snuff (which seems to be the case), I have faith that however Reznor/Ross have chosen to support that story will make sense in context. Like I said, I'm intrigued. But from what I've seen from the trailer and clips.... it looks very PIXAR. And I want it to make me cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, LSH said: And I want it to make me cry. I'm sure they will achieve this effect. I trust that Pete Doctor and team knows what they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Seems like you have a very strict formula of what you want out of a Pixar film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 I haven't seen a PIXAR since the glorious INSIDE OUT. I used to never miss their films . Until CARS2.... Lotsa sequels and retreads. Have I missed anything great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 32 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: Seems like you have a very strict formula of what you want out of a Pixar film. Well they almost always deliver on an emotional level that is markedly absent from most other big animation studio fair. They have an undoubtedly stunning track record of this. I grew up with PIXAR. I am the perfect age to have seen them through from a child. I'm 30 now... so when their first feature Toy Story was released I was 5 years old. Perfect. I've followed them all. So forgive me if I sound authoritative on the subject. But that's beside the point. We're talking about music. Originally I was only doubting Treznor and Ross' ability to musically capture the same PIXAR magic that I, and mostly every body, have experienced in those films. MUSICALLY. I'm not being dismissive... if anything I'm open-minded. I really like the look of this film and it should turn out to be another classically-PIXAR story that is touching and uplifting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 With very few exceptions, the old Pixar is mostly dead anyway. They're just like any other corporate animation studio, just with a higher quality of technical animation. Taikomochi, TheUlyssesian and bruce marshall 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, KK said: With very few exceptions, the old Pixar is mostly dead anyway. They're just like any other corporate animation studio, just with a higher quality of technical animation. You clearly haven't seen Monsters University Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 INSIDE OUT proved they are still capable of sterling work. But, I'm just not intetested in sequels or films designed to sell merch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Pixar has definitely lost their magic a bit. Their run from 2007 to 2010 - with Ratatouille, Wall-E, Up and Toy Story 3 is a skull-crushing string of genius - magnificent movies all of them. Inside Out came close to them - again a very good, and frankly quite an elaborate and complex film. Soul definitely looks to be their most original since Inside Out. 13 hours ago, Under-Terrestrial said: What's funny is that according to an interview they did recently, they scored Soul prior to Mank, where they then flexed their symphonic/jazz muscles. I wonder if Pixar would've asked Reznor/Ross to score the entirety of Soul (jazz music included) if they heard their work on Mank ahead of time. This is actually a little bit embarrassing for a composer I might imagine. Namely that they hired a composer for the film, but they had to hire a different composer to address the main milieu of the film - like Jazz. Let's be honest, if they had hired Gia - he would write the entire music. Or maybe even Tom Newman. Can you imagine hiring JW for a project like this - based around jazz music and he isn't allowed to write the jazz music? Eitherways, seems like it all worked out. Reznor's second academy award for score is all sewn up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Not Mr. Big said: You clearly haven't seen Monsters University Likeable, but not exactly “Golden Age” Pixar, is it? Inside Out was their last great outing. I trust Soul will be another winner too. It looks like it’s really going out there. And Pete Doctor usually delivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Well........ That clip is enticing. Seems cut from the same cloth as INSIDE. Like the music! Fingers crossed My PIXAR faves" TOY STORY I , II RATOTUOILLE INCREDIBLEZ WALL E INSIDE OUT UP and NEMO are incredibly overrated in my estimates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Once 604 Posted December 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2020 7 hours ago, bruce marshall said: I haven't seen a PIXAR since the glorious INSIDE OUT. I used to never miss their films . Until CARS2.... Lotsa sequels and retreads. Have I missed anything great? In my opinion Coco is great. bruce marshall, toothless and mstrox 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 ONWARD has some great potential in it too, let's not forget that (currently on my 35th place out of 100 movies from 2020 that I've seen). I even put it ahead of INSIDE OUT, which I personally find overrated. But I haven't really been wowed by a Pixar movie since UP more than a decade ago. Perhaps SOUL is the film to do it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 On 12/17/2020 at 9:43 AM, Under-Terrestrial said: What's funny is that according to an interview they did recently, they scored Soul prior to Mank, where they then flexed their symphonic/jazz muscles. I wonder if Pixar would've asked Reznor/Ross to score the entirety of Soul (jazz music included) if they heard their work on Mank ahead of time. Or they heard the S01E06 episode of Watchmen, which features jazz songs as performed by trent and atticus + john beasley on the piano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Am I nuts or is this album not on Spotify? Yet it is on Apple Music?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 It's on Spotify, for me at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 I found it! https://open.spotify.com/album/2ffRAIZdlGEwnYE5ytIw88?si=hf2nx7HARYGEREq8oTpqsg 42 tracks!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Yes, Reznor and Ross are going crazy with their soundtrack releases. MANK was equally overkill too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 But FORTY THREE tracks on Quartet GBU is just fine?!😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Again that's a nice 85 minutes main program. Everything else is just a bonus you can elect to listen to, or just press stop after the end credits and skip them. You exaggerate way too much to make your points. EDIT: Oh, I see what you mean now. Well, 43 tracks for a catalog expansion of an old score makes sense to me, 42 tracks for a new OST album is surprising. However, please note that I was not complaining about it, simply surprised by it. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 He should have at least preserved the combos that EM preferred. Respect. Everything else that was not included on previous releases, could present discrete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 EM's entire OST album is included untouched in the new set. Did you not realize that? bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Me? I'm talking about the short MONO cues that Ennio Combined for the GDM set. He was very outspoken about including short cues on osts. Malone should have honored his preferences and kept those cues the way they were on that release. Not too hard to understand. Short cues - from the same scene- that run consecutively. Example: " Esacape on Horseback". Stupid to decouple those cues# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 You can just keep listening to the previous expansion if you want the previous expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Yea no one is taking your old set away from you nor forcing you to buy the new one. If you aren't going to giving Quartet your money for their hard work for the flaws you perceive it to have I don't think that many people here are going to pay attention to your complaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Blah...blah ...blah... This is rich coming from folks who complain about every SW and IJ expansion , no matter how much music is included! Talk about chutzpah!😳 13 minutes ago, Jay said: If you aren't going to giving [RCA....CONCORD...SONY..]your money for their hard work for the flaws you perceive it to have I don't think that many people here are going to pay attention to your complaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 I bought every single Star Wars and Indiana Jones expansion with my own money and was very grateful to get the music we did get while simultaneously being annoyed about the music we are still missing. Discussing music that a great composer wrote than an album producer elected not to include at all, is extremely different from the debate of combining short cues vs leaving them in their own track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 You can never admit you're wrong. I respect that!😅 Anyway were off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlueEyes 4 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I listen to the jazz music, it was okay. But the score..... ugh. The score played by synthesizers feels like a demo for a video game or temp tracks from John Carpenter movies bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 I like it but don't love it. The short cues really hurt the score for me. And the who thing felt more like a demo than an actual complete piece of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 26 minutes ago, Mephariel said: ...The short cues really hurt the score for me. You are not allowed to say this. Not on THIS board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 The Reznor/Ross material is boring and soulless. No strong thematic identity to pull it altogether. Batiste's jazz pieces are nice, but maybe for an inoffensive, easy-listening playlist; his pieces seem to be the more meaty work the score has to offer. I can understand Docter wanting to shake things up, but this score is more like a diet-Inside Out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 I've had a listen-through. I like it! The Reznor/Ross cues are indeed in the same mold as MID90s; some neat, upbeat electronic textures. Not as striking as MANK or anything, but neither worse nor better than I expected. The Batiste cues are nice too. However, as with many Reznor/Ross soundtracks, it's severely hampered by too long a running time. Needs some serious whittling to work properly as an album. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 What has happened in the world for giacchino or, by the least, newman not scoring this? This composer credit is bewildering seeing docters previous films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 987 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 I read somewhere that they specifically went out of their way to shake up the Pixar formula for this particular film, which included the music. As much as I probably like Ross & Reznor more than most here, I'd rather this be a one time thing. Animated movies is one of the last few places where you're most likely to see an orchestra get properly utilized, so I wouldn't want to lose that. Once and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 I hope they dont get another oscar for lack of anything else....:/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under-Terrestrial 51 Posted December 25, 2020 Author Share Posted December 25, 2020 On 12/18/2020 at 11:33 AM, ymenard said: Or they heard the S01E06 episode of Watchmen, which features jazz songs as performed by trent and atticus + john beasley on the piano. AH, nice! I was vaguely aware they wrote jazzy pieces for Watchmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,341 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Someone pointed out a bit of a similarity: On 12/24/2020 at 2:47 AM, Arpy said: soulless. Heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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