A24 4,327 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 I'm in the process of watching this on Netflix. I didn't know who the composer was but I liked what I heard. At some point it even reminded me of Sakamoto, and lo and behold, turns out it is Sakamoto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 18, 2021 Author Share Posted August 18, 2021 James Newton Howard - Jungle Cruise I just realized my problem with this album. The first 30 minutes of it - from the Suite through "Encanto" - are spectacular, almost every track is fantastic! This is followed by another 40 minutes of music, which has a much lower percentage of great tracks (really only "Petal Negotiations" compare to the bangers in the first 30 minutes) Maybe just moving the Suite to the end instead of playing first would help a lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Music is not just spectacular passages and bangers. Music is a lot of filling inspirational passages too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 18, 2021 Author Share Posted August 18, 2021 Yes, and there is much more inspiration in the first 30 minutes of the OST album, than the last 40 minutes of the OST album Tallguy and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Beckett by Ryuichi Sakamoto Hmm. Even less remarkable and more redundant than Minimata. The only distinction this score has is the Penderecki Polymorphia-knockoff "action material", which is kind of a time-worn cliché at this point. There isn't much of a memorable tonal hook to this one either. It's a shame to think that Sakamoto's last distinctive film score might indeed be The Revenant. Knowing by Marco Beltrami Always surprised by how little credit this score gets, whenever I revisit it. Yes, it gets into less interesting broader Hollywood scoring by it's second half, but it's Herrmann-esque architecture just completely outclasses the film. This was of course from a time when you could expect good music in B-movie generic horror/thrillers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 4 hours ago, KK said: The only distinction this score has is the Penderecki Polymorphia-knockoff "action material", which is kind of a time-worn cliché at this point. Is that the part with dissonant trombones and French horns? That's when I noticed the music for the first time. I noticed it because the style is not typical for a contemporary action score. A little bit later I heard strings and that's when I thought: "This has to be Sakamoto". The rest of the score seems to be Sakamoto in his economical mode, using synths to cut down the costs, or at least, that's how it comes across. 4 hours ago, KK said: It's a shame to think that Sakamoto's last distinctive film score might indeed be The Revenant. Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 8 hours ago, AC1 said: Is that the part with dissonant trombones and French horns? That's when I noticed the music for the first time. I noticed it because the style is not typical for a contemporary action score. A little bit later I heard strings and that's when I thought: "This has to be Sakamoto". The rest of the score seems to be Sakamoto in his economical mode, using synths to cut down the costs, or at least, that's how it comes across. It's mostly strings driven stuff, but there's some horn accents in there. Pretty derivative of Penderecki (think The Exorcist). To me, it's a cheap way to seem "artsy" or "unique", especially when the "avant-garde" ideas aren't especially unique to Sakamoto: The tonal string writing in Beckett sadly just isn't memorable or very good, for that matter. And I think Sakamoto does the synth stuff for colour, not budget. A lot of his later career stuff is around playing with field recordings and sound design anyway. But in the case of his recent film work, it's just not very inspired...the kind of thing the new kids on the block do in their sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Well, he was very ill not so long ago. Might have something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Also, and this is something I noticed along time ago, I only seem to like his big budget movie/high profile scores. They tend to be more orchestral and less electronic. Yes, I do believe his electronic scores have something to do with the available budget. I hope that he's scoring Alejandro G. Iñárritu's Limbo as we speak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 24, 2021 Author Share Posted August 24, 2021 Cristobal Tapia de Veer - The White Lotus I LOVE THIS, one of the most fun OST albums I've heard in a while. Works amazingly well in the show itself (also great), too. This is really good music to put on when I'm programming as well, really motivating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFAN 1 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Um....why was my original ICONIC thread "What Is the Last Score You Listened To?" not being used? I demand an explanation. At this point I should have the record for the longest thread on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted August 26, 2021 Author Share Posted August 26, 2021 26 minutes ago, HPFAN said: Um....why was my original ICONIC thread "What Is the Last Score You Listened To?" not being used? I demand an explanation. At this point I should have the record for the longest thread on this forum. It's right here https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/19349-what-is-the-last-score-you-listened-to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Film is from 2018, but the soundtrack was released today. Listening now on Spotify. I think it's a fascinating score -- quite minimal, and free of the size and overtness of his famous work in the 80s and 90s (entertaining as they were). Good on him for reinventing himself a bit now that he's basically "just" a teacher at a South African college. Has kind of a Sakamoto vibe, I think. Voices and percussion/chimes. Regardless, it's rather weird to have a new Jones score out. A blast from the past. badbu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 James Newton Howard - Jungle Cruise I like it! Edmilson and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings by Joel P. West Whaou I loved it !!! Probably one of my favorite of the year. I loved those percussion and the villain theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings by Joel P. West The latest Marvel score is surprisingly full-bodied and dynamic. Following Black Panther's formula of incorporating colourful cultural accents with style and a modern edge. It's fun orchestral listening, with both taiko drums and woodwinds galore. And it's nice to hear a modern Hollywood blockbuster score with some presence (I'm looking at you Lorne Balfe), though it's not entirely free of the usual generic clichés either. And what it sadly lacks is any strong or compelling thematic tissue. A proper badass theme could have really saved this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Been wading through hundreds of new promos recently, and most of the scores have either been bad or so bland they go in one ear and out the other. I don't tend to post about that stuff here. But here and there, you'll find a gem. This was one of them. Never seen the film (which is from 2020, but the 18-minute soundtrack is only coming out now), and not familiar with the Palestinian composer, but I love the middle eastern colours combined with an almost Preisner-like starkness on display here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Two whole volumes of music from a new Spanish series I'm not familiar with. I hung out a bit with Palomares during a film music festival in Croatia a few years back. Nice fella. This is suave, quasi-classical music that reminds me of the glory days of fellow Spaniards Banos, Velazquez, Navarrate etc. before they got swallowed up by mainstream tropes. Quite impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 After the impressive TALE scores (TALE OF A LAKE, TALE OF A FOREST), I haven't really connected to Panu's scores since. But this one is lots of fun -- engrossing baroque/medieval/church music pastiche. Film is from 2020, but as is often the case with Moviescore Media, the soundtrack comes out considerably later, i.e. this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Predators by John Debney A nice fun score, truly in the spirit of the Silvestri's ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,338 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Listening to Black Widow. Brick-walled as hell. Too much percussion. Bland action cues. Weird piano distortion. Patience running low. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 2, 2021 Author Share Posted September 2, 2021 Yea other than some nice choir parts the album is pretty bad bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 3, 2021 Author Share Posted September 3, 2021 Hans Zimmer - The Dune Sketchbook Some really cool an interesting ideas, but the entire 102 minute album does not come close to being consistently engaging for its entire runtime. These really feel more like bonus tracks you'd hear on an eventual catalog release decades later than what should be presented first ahead of the actual album, but here we are. I was already looking forward to hearing Zimmer's score to this, and I guess this sketchbook didn't really change that opinion much, I'm still curious about it. The cool parts here made me more excited for it, but the boring parts here made me less excited, so I guess it's a wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 3, 2021 Author Share Posted September 3, 2021 Andrea Datzman & Curtis Green - Dug Days Sort of a Giacchino Lite score. It starts from his Up sound and then goes into really light, kids cartoon fair. It's nice enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 The combination of Preisner, Gerrard and spirituality made me hope for another VALLEY OF SHADOWS. Alas, it isn't quite there -- it's more in the idiom of Byzantine music. But by all means a fine score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,398 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Hey, this score is great! I like how authentic this score sounds. If I didn't knew which movie this was written for, I'm surely would think it was for a chinese martial arts movie starring Jackie Chan, Jet Li, etc. Fans of scores like Kung Fu Panda and The Last Airbender will surely like West's mix of Hollywood melodrama with Chinese rhythms and instruments. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Met Maciek in Krakow a few years ago, and we hung out a bit. He gave me a CD of his score to CLOCKWISE, which quickly became a favourite (almost Goldenthal at times). Haven't heard much from him since, but this new score was a surprise. Rather broad electronic landscapes, a combination of synthwave and Zimmer's more chugging, ambient landscapes in recent years. Not on CLOCKWISE's level, and it's a bit uneven (some parts are a bit generic), but I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings by Joel P West. It is surprisingly full-bodied. Feels like actual music, even. I am pleasantly surprised. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 17, 2021 Author Share Posted September 17, 2021 Hans Zimmer - Dune I liked it fine. It fit a slow quiet foggy morning here. Not sure if I'll be compelled to check it out again until after I've seen the movie Joel P West - Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings Meh, I was bored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 ... And the prize for "What the hell is this score he's talking about?" goes to... @Thor!!! Congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 DUNE Gave both albums a thorough listen. With every passing year it becomes harder to get one well-compiled album out of one blockbuster score. Between this and the sketchbook i now count about 3 hours of new Dune music by Zimmer & Co. and it feels like 2 of those could be excised without anyone complaining too much. So 'Dune' right now appears to be best served by the Sketchbook and three or four cues from the original soundtrack. On the plus side, Zimmer is able to develop a truly alien 'language' for this (shades of Messiaen), even if it's for long stretches not a musically exciting one. The score album is the biggest culprit here, with an appalling lack of structure, minutes of content-free droning (read: musical zeroes) and only occasionally gripping cues (Stillsuits, for instance). The loud stuff is unbearable, but at least it's short. The sketchbook is much more interesting, with the 18-minute 'I See You In My Dreams' being the most impressive showcase with its almost conscience-bending approach, but again, the album is almost two hours long and the material wears thin for even half of that runtime. The main idea, a short rising figure, recalls the revenge motif from 'Gladiator', and Zimmer develops it convincingly throughout (and through very different sections). There will be a third release along the way and most of my goodwill to curate even more of this is used up already. It's not a loss, for sure, but it's a showcase for bad modern marketing decisions (roll-out of as many tie-in's as possible) at the expense of the music. A millenium Zimmer album of this would have been infinitely better and, most importantly, would have spared me the work of digging through hours of white noise hardly above whispering level. So it's recommended with some reservations, but certainly not the home run many hoped for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 The first 3 tracks on the sketchbook is all I need. Karol KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, publicist said: DUNE Gave both albums a thorough listen. With every passing year it becomes harder to get one well-compiled album out of one blockbuster score. Between this and the sketchbook i now count about 3 hours of new Dune music by Zimmer & Co. and it feels like 2 of those could be excised without anyone complaining too much. So 'Dune' right now appears to be best served by the Sketchbook and three or four cues from the original soundtrack. On the plus side, Zimmer is able to develop a truly alien 'language' for this (shades of Messiaen), even if it's for long stretches not a musically exciting one. The score album is the biggest culprit here, with an appalling lack of structure, minutes of content-free droning (read: musical zeroes) and only occasionally gripping cues (Stillsuits, for instance). The loud stuff is unbearable, but at least it's short. The sketchbook is much more interesting, with the 18-minute 'I See You In My Dreams' being the most impressive showcase with its almost conscience-bending approach, but again, the album is almost two hours long and the material wears thin for even half of that runtime. The main idea, a short rising figure, recalls the revenge motif from 'Gladiator', and Zimmer develops it convincingly throughout (and through very different sections). There will be a third release along the way and most of my goodwill to curate even more of this is used up already. It's not a loss, for sure, but it's a showcase for bad modern marketing decisions (roll-out of as many tie-in's as possible) at the expense of the music. A millenium Zimmer album of this would have been infinitely better and, most importantly, would have spared me the work of digging through hours of white noise hardly above whispering level. So it's recommended with some reservations, but certainly not the home run many hoped for. I'd be happy with the sketchbook and an OST assembled better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 22, 2021 Author Share Posted September 22, 2021 Hans Zimmer - No Time To Die No bad. Didn't sound particularly Bond-ian outside of when the Bond theme was playing, but it was a decent modern action score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 4 hours ago, crocodile said: The first 3 tracks on the sketchbook is all I need. I wait for the musical art book tie-in. Third time's a charm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,398 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Just listened to No Time to Die as well. And, much to my own surprise, I really liked it! Everyone who was expecting another sound design score was very wrong. Sure, there's electronics and Johnny Marr's guitar, but it's a very orchestral score. Matera was a great homage from Zimmer to Barry, and the action music is much more in David Arnold's style. Sure, it's still a Zimmer score, so any listener will note the chord progressions from stuff like Batman Begins and others. I'd say it's an interesting mix between Arnold and the more orchestral Remote Control scores, specially those composed by Henry Jackman (Kingsman, of course, but also Jumanji). Final Ascent is a nice piece of Zimmer melodrama, fans from his early 2000s scores will be pleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 5 hours ago, crocodile said: The first 3 tracks on the sketchbook is all I need. Karol Indeed. I wish the score gave us more of this: Otherwise, it's mostly a dull blanket of sound that smothers the intrigue out of many of the compelling visual cues the film offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: Just listened to No Time to Die as well. Where are you listening to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,398 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, LSH said: Where are you listening to it? Well, I'm not sure I'm allowed to say this here, but... the score has leaked on certain websites where you can download soundtracks for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Oh fair enough. I genuinely thought it had been officially released, apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 Bear McCreary - Foundation Season 1 I liked it! Not a lot of "WOW!" moments or anything, but solidly chugs along with good music. "The Chant of the Luminous" was pretty cool and memorable, though! I imagine the show is greatly enhanced by having this good music in it instead of typical modern tv scoring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 For the long-awaited Apple+ Sci-Fi series, more or less loosely based on Asimov, McCreary offers a pretty sleek, smooth TV score, which is a notch more imaginative than the standard (but not by much). As usual, it's kept minimalist and with an onslaught of broad (and bland) chords of the fateful kind (and synth chorus to give it more 'meaning') ... to put it heretically, everything sounds like the modern YT fan imagines great music should sound. Unfortunately, there's not a lot of musical (or even narrative) thought behind it. You have to be content with a selectively better instrumentation...and ask yourself when either Goldenthal or Nyman will be allowed to work on something like this again. Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 It's no Black Sails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,281 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Dune & No Time to Die (Hans) - Enjoyed each of these about as much as expected. Dune just seemed a whole lot of blah noodling rather than actual composition. I would like to see the film (which I'm guessing will be one visual orgasm after another) and maybe will withhold judgement until after that, but given the potential opportunities this kind of film affords (especially given how great the Toto score is... perhaps against all expectations) it seems like a total miss to me. NTTD does at least sound like someone spent time composing it and there are some enjoyable moments (Cuba Chase is particularly fun) but the inclusion of the melody from We Have All The Time in the World from OHMSS makes you realise just how forgettable HZ's music actually is. I give it points for being a little more fun than Thomas Newman's efforts (which I still class as well written but largely unmemorable), but then I kinda miss fun Bond films so the music moving to a grittier sound is only natural I guess... I certainly would be happy to see David Arnold back on board, but for my money, I'd get Murray Gold. He'd get the sound just right and would probably write some great tunes. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Tom Guernsey said: But for my money, I'd get Murray Gold. He'd get the sound just right and would probably write some great tunes. A Bond score by Murray Gold… with a title song by Muse… that would be something. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,281 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: A Bond score by Murray Gold… with a title song by Muse… that would be something. I don’t really know Muse but sounds ok to me. Be good to have something other than dreary bond songs. I really loathe the NTTD song. That really the best thing they could do?! Bring back Madonna (joke. Sort of lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 No Time to Die by Hans Zimmer. I'm glad I didn't listen to the whole thing before seeing the film as it definitely benefits from a big of context. The score is fine and way more fun than the last two. Just like Wonder Woman, I sort of lose interest towards the last third but it does fit the final part of the film well enough. Still not a massive fan of the song but it does make sense in the context of the film and I'm glad the theme is used throughout the score. The Barry references, while perhaps unnecessary, are nice. And there is some logic behind utilising them. Surprisingly enjoyable album. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,323 Posted October 7, 2021 Author Share Posted October 7, 2021 Shotaro Shima, Masashi Hamauzu, etc - Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade (highlights playlist) The good stuff in this score is GREAT, but there are soooo many tracks that rub me the wrong way. My current highlights playlist is over an hour and needs to be whittled down more. But the good stuff really is great, especially stuff like "Descendant of Shinobi", "The Gigantipede", and the amazing track "The Journey Continues - Good-bye, City of Mako" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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