Moonraker, License to Kill, and Tomorrow Never Dies expanded releases almost happened but are now on hold

[HunterTech 987]

2 hours ago, Cameron007 said:

Political controversies have no bearing on how good or bad Clapton's song would have been.

 

We forget that celebrities are still people, and are thus entitled to their opinion.

 

Except freedom of speech means people are just as entitled to call someone out as they are to spout contentious opinions. After all, it only protects you from getting arrested over it. Nothing more.

 

Now let's get off this train before we risk seriously violating forum rules over a detour in conversation that wasn't necessary.

[DangerMotif 1,037]

Any chance LaLaLand revisits this and it ends up happening?

[Jay 37,287]

It's not up to them. 

[DangerMotif 1,037]

15 minutes ago, Jay said:

It's not up to them. 

I know. I really hope these end up being released

[DangerMotif 1,037]

1 down, hope Moonraker is next

[crocodile 7,984]

Fingers crossed.

 

In fact fingers crossed for all the Bond music to be released properly. Even if I don't personally want or need all of it, it should be lovingly preserved.

 

Karol

[DangerMotif 1,037]

2 minutes ago, crocodile said:

Fingers crossed.

 

In fact fingers crossed for all the Bond music to be released properly. Even if I don't want or need all of it, it should be preserved lovingly.

 

Karol

If TND does well I assume there’s more to come

[crocodile 7,984]

I seem to recall MV mentioning something about EON being pleased with the collaboration.

 

Karol

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I hope Licence to Kill is next.  Such a great and underrated score.

[crocodile 7,984]

I hope to get the remaining two Arnold scores as well. But because there doesn't seem to be that much missing between them I would just release them as one set. And maybe they could include some extra music Arnold did for EON/Bond projects (commercials etc).

 

Karol

[A. A. Ron 1,738]

Casino Royale already has a complete release on digital platforms.

[Jay 37,287]

It isn't complete. 

[Tallguy 3,376]

I didn't want to be the guy who follows a fantastic announcement with "That's cool but when can we get..." For one thing TND is SO cool.

 

But boy would I love to have a deluxe Goldeneye. Maybe someday. (Yes, and Moonraker and License to Kill.)

[bollemanneke 3,337]

I really don't care about GoldenEye or Licence to Kill. Would be very nice to know that a competent producer had tackled them, of course, but it's not pressing at all. Can't wait to re-discover TND.

[Andy 4,085]

I only have a handful of Bond CDs…

 

What about all the previously released Barry scores?  Are they complete?  Is there a lot of demand to improve on those?

[Naïve Old Fart 9,498]

Most of the Barry Bond reissues are complete, although not having to programme the blooming CD player whenever I want to listen to them, would be advantage.

[TolkienSS 405]

Not sure if this is worth it, I still have the Chapter III CD. But it IS tempting.

 

Moonraker has top priority though. No offense to Michael Kamen, but License To Kill is a TV movie with a cinematic budget.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Boy I wish we had downvoting on this forum 

[A. A. Ron 1,738]

2 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

Boy I wish we had downvoting on this forum 

 

Poor Mattris would never stand a chance!

 

7 hours ago, A. A. Ron said:

Casino Royale already has a complete release on digital platforms.

 

7 hours ago, Jay said:

It isn't complete. 

 

I've seen it labeled as complete repeatedly for years and this is the first time I've ever seen anyone dispute that. What's missing?

[Naïve Old Fart 9,498]

@Andy, there's a jazz cue in THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS, that plays right before the police chase, but I've no idea who composed it. There might be some other source cues, but I'm not sure.

[Jay 37,287]

49 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said:

I've seen it labeled as complete repeatedly for years and this is the first time I've ever seen anyone dispute that. What's missing?

 

There's inserts in Africa Rundown, and one other cue too I think? 

 

That might be it for what you can hear in the film, but who knows what unused music may exist in the vaults - all of Neil's other Arnold Bond expansions revealed things we didn't know existed, so Casino Royale certainly could too 

[Anthony 572]

As far as Casino Royale is concerned, there is a cue after or an extension of "License: 2 Kills" before You Know My Name, and 3 little inserts in African Rundown.

[A. A. Ron 1,738]

Oh ok. Well at least it sounds like pretty minor stuff. Bring on Moonraker!

[ManofDestiny 71]

9 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

Most of the Barry Bond reissues are complete, although not having to programme the blooming CD player whenever I want to listen to them, would be advantage.

Not familiar with Bond score reissues.

May I ask which are complete?

[Andy 4,085]

They should reissue them again. They’ve all gone OOP 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,498]

To be honest, all I want from Arnold, in physical form, from CASINO ROYALE, and QUANTUM OF SOLACE, are "Licence Two Kills", and the brilliant "Crawl, End Crawl".

[Richard Penna 3,671]

19 hours ago, TolkienSS said:

Not sure if this is worth it, I still have the Chapter III CD. But it IS tempting.

 

This 'Chapter III' thing I keep seeing mentioned, was that some sort of official release, or just a boot?

 

I only bring it up as usually these expansions are designed to make boots unneeded, whereas a prior official release is another matter.

[Jay 37,287]

Chapter III was a real music label and their expansion was official, even including an interview with Arnold as the final track

 

 

[A. A. Ron 1,738]

I believe I read that the first OST was put together before the score had finished recording and that for whatever reason they were recording the score more or less in chronological order, explaining why the first album has music from the first half of the film and the Chapter III album has more from the end.

[thestat 345]

The Arnold expansion is wonderful - not sure anyone needs License to Kill. How many times have you listened to your expanded Roadhouse score.....Kamen and expansion don't work well. He is okay at moments but the majority of Die Hard is just basic underscore.

 

Give me the anti-patriarchal, un-conservative anthem from Living Daylights any day

 

[Yavar Moradi 2,590]

I agree with your opinion of Kamen's Die Hard (and Roadhouse) but respectfully request you give Licence to Kill another chance/revisit. Kamen was a HUGE Bond fan and actually put a ton of brilliant Bond touches into the score, with a lot of excellent orchestral writing. More music is unreleased from his Bond score than literally any other Bond score (it's over half unreleased). I think a complete edition will be a revelation for a lot of people.

 

Yavar

[thestat 345]

Fair enough, Yavar. I'm not a Bond fan, so I like those Arnold touches that are non-Bondy for one. But I respect Kamen as a composer so any opportunity for him to do different, sure.....But, he's Michael Kamen. He does not change the hair too often does he. We have:

 

Potentially composed by Boardman and others.....

 

And this

 

Potentially composed by Davis and others....

[Florian 4]

On 27/11/2022 at 4:34 PM, Anthony said:

As far as Casino Royale is concerned, there is a cue after or an extension of "License: 2 Kills" before You Know My Name, and 3 little inserts in African Rundown.

 

That string swell/sting right before the title song is tracked, IIRC. Also missing is the film version of Blunt Instrument (the ending is different on the album).

[Amer 2,080]

On 29/11/2022 at 5:55 AM, Yavar Moradi said:

I agree with your opinion of Kamen's Die Hard (and Roadhouse) but respectfully request you give Licence to Kill another chance/revisit. Kamen was a HUGE Bond fan and actually put a ton of brilliant Bond touches into the score, with a lot of excellent orchestral writing. More music is unreleased from his Bond score than literally any other Bond score (it's over half unreleased). I think a complete edition will be a revelation for a lot of people.

 

Yavar

I only had a tape dub of this album when it came out and that was it. It would be awesome to get a fully expanded set on cd in the future.

[Anthony 572]

16 hours ago, Florian said:

Also missing is the film version of Blunt Instrument (the ending is different on the album).

 

Ah yes, I forgot about that! Vesper's Theme is also shortened in the film, but I think that's a post-production edit.

[Brundlefly 2,385]

Can someone explain to me what's the release situation of the John Barry scores? Do they all have some kind of expansions or do the complete recordings rot in a vault? A James Bond John Barry collection seems like a neat idea...

[mxsch 115]

10 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

Can someone explain to me what's the release situation of the John Barry scores? Do they all have some kind of expansions or do the complete recordings rot in a vault? A James Bond John Barry collection seems like a neat idea...

EMI have done a remaster/reissue series in the 2003. Some expanded, some expanded and remastered.

Thunderball, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, You Only Live Twice (complete) and Diamonds Are Forever (complete) were remixed.

Live and Let Die is complete

[Brundlefly 2,385]

So a re-release this time mastered by MM and truly complete would be welcomed, I guess.

 

Dr. No, From Russia with Love, Goldfinger and later John Barry scores are not expanded at all?

 

EDIT: Ok, I was looking into it, they really re-released everything up to Living Daylights (the last John Barry score), but the scores are completely randomly expanded or not expanded.

[Tom Guernsey 2,280]

22 minutes ago, Brundlefly said:

So a re-release this time mastered by MM and truly complete would be welcomed, I guess.

 

Dr. No, From Russia with Love, Goldfinger and later John Barry scores are not expanded at all?

 

EDIT: Ok, I was looking into it, they really re-released everything up to Living Daylights (the last John Barry score), but the scores are completely randomly expanded or not expanded.

It's a real mishmash. Most (all?) that have been expanded feature the original album programme first followed by the previously unreleased material. A couple have some of the additional material in extended suites which mean some of it is out of order and can't be meaningfully inserted without editing the tracks down. 

 

5 hours ago, mxsch said:

EMI have done a remaster/reissue series in the 2003. Some expanded, some expanded and remastered.

Thunderball, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, You Only Live Twice (complete) and Diamonds Are Forever (complete) were remixed.

Live and Let Die is complete

Careless, I didn't pick up Live and Let Die. Is it worth looking up?

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

3 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

So a re-release this time mastered by MM and truly complete would be welcomed, I guess.

 

Dr. No, From Russia with Love, Goldfinger and later John Barry scores are not expanded at all?

 

EDIT: Ok, I was looking into it, they really re-released everything up to Living Daylights (the last John Barry score), but the scores are completely randomly expanded or not expanded.

They released goldeneye too, i have it.* It seems they stopped there.
 

*it was bundled in a pack with other two scores i didnt have from the older films, just in case someone thought i like this score 😅

[Faleel 5,340]

25 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

it was bundled in a pack with other two scores i didnt have from the older films, just in case someone thought i like this score 😅

So what if you did?

[Brundlefly 2,385]

3 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said:

They released goldeneye too, i have it.* It seems they stopped there.

Seems like they skipped Licence to Kill.

[Jay 37,287]

Here's where Bond expansions stand - please inform me if I made any mistakes

 

Year	Title	Composer	Film	Music	Expansion
1962	Dr. No	Monty Norman	MGM/UA	UMG
1963	From Russia With Love	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG
1964	Goldfinger	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG	2003 EMI
1965	Thunderball	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG	2003 EMI
1967	You Only Live Twice	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG	2003 EMI
1969	On Her Majesty's Secret Service	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG	2003 EMI
1971	Diamonds Are Forever	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG	2003 EMI
1973	Live and Let Die	George Martin	MGM/UA	UMG	2003 EMI
1974	The Man With The Golden Gun	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG
1977	The Spy Who Loved Me	Marvin Hamlisch	MGM/UA	UMG
1979	Moonraker	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG
1981	For Your Eyes Only	Bill Conti	MGM/UA	UMG	2003 EMI
1983	Octopussy	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG
1985	A View To A Kill	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG
1987	The Living Daylights	John Barry	MGM/UA	WMG	1998 Rykodisc
1989	License To Kill	Michael Kamen	MGM/UA	UMG
1995	GoldenEye	Éric Serra	MGM/UA	WMG
1997	Tomorrow Never Dies	David Arnold	MGM/UA	UMG	2022 La-La Land
1999	The World Is Not Enough	David Arnold	MGM/UA	UMG	2018 La-La Land
2002	Die Another Day	David Arnold	MGM/UA	WMG	2017 La-La Land
2006	Casino Royale	David Arnold	Sony	SME	2006 Sony
2008	Quantum of Solace	David Arnold	Sony	SME
2012	Skyfall	Thomas Newman	Sony	SME
2015	Spectre	Thomas Newman	Sony	UMG
2021	No Time To Die	Hans Zimmer	MGM/UA	UMG

[Yavar Moradi 2,590]

12 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

Dr. No, From Russia with Love, Goldfinger and later John Barry scores are not expanded at all?

 

Goldfinger was expanded over the original US album, but only by four cues which were present on an overseas pressing of the original album. The complete sessions for the first three films were apparently lost or unavailable to Lukas Kendall at the time he was helping produce these reissues for EMI. No idea if they might have been discovered since.

 

12 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

EDIT: Ok, I was looking into it, they really re-released everything up to Living Daylights (the last John Barry score), but the scores are completely randomly expanded or not expanded.

 

It wasn't random at all. Here are 2003 and 2017 interviews with producer Lukas Kendall about it:

https://www.universalexports.net/interviews/kendall.shtml

https://jamesbondradio.com/the-music-of-bond-an-interview-with-producer-lukas-kendall/

 

And here's an audio interview with him:

 

I feel like he also went into further detail at FSM somewhere but can't easily find that.

 

In short: For some scores there just weren't available elements (Dr. No, From Russia With Love, Moonraker (the tapes weren't lost but they weren't where the other scores were) Goldfinger beyond those four cues I mentioned), some scores he did significantly expand couldn't be complete (Thunderball, On Her Majesty's Secret Service) because he was limited to what would fit on a single disc, and some scores he had elements for and could presumably have expanded (i.e. The Man With the Golden Gun), but he was working on a time/budget crunch and was forced to prioritize which expansions he felt were most important.

 

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Here's where Bond expansions stand - please inform me if I made any mistakes

 

I'm not an expert but I know Octopussy was never expanded. I'd double check soundtrackcollector.com and compare album lengths.

 

Yavar

[Faleel 5,340]

Wasn't there also a Thunderball alternate that couldn't be released because of sound issues? (Which could possibly be overcame with modern technology)

[mxsch 115]

13 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said:

It's a real mishmash. Most (all?) that have been expanded feature the original album programme first followed by the previously unreleased material. A couple have some of the additional material in extended suites which mean some of it is out of order and can't be meaningfully inserted without editing the tracks down. 

 

Careless, I didn't pick up Live and Let Die. Is it worth looking up?

Yeah, Live and Let Die is very nice, it's definitely worth to pick it up

[Yavar Moradi 2,590]

Agreed, it’s one of the very best non-Barry scores (better than a few of the Barry scores IMO). That’s why Lukas Kendall prioritized expanding it!

 

Yavar

[Jay 37,287]

2 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

 Octopussy was never expanded. I'd double check soundtrackcollector.com

 

Thanks, it turns out the Rykodisc edition just added 3 dialogue tracks. 

[mxsch 115]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

 

Thanks, it turns out the Rykodisc edition just added 3 dialogue tracks. 

I know not so much examples of it, but it's one of the most horrible inclusions to do, if not absolutely the worst.

That's a thing on the first Creed album and they are integrated right in the tracks.

And the only way to avoid it is to buy "Director's Cut" vinyl from Mondo. What were they thinking...

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

Living daylights was expanded in 2003. I have it. It is complete isnt it?