HunterTech 991 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Cameron007 said: Political controversies have no bearing on how good or bad Clapton's song would have been. We forget that celebrities are still people, and are thus entitled to their opinion. Except freedom of speech means people are just as entitled to call someone out as they are to spout contentious opinions. After all, it only protects you from getting arrested over it. Nothing more. Now let's get off this train before we risk seriously violating forum rules over a detour in conversation that wasn't necessary. bruce marshall, Unlucky Bastard, mstrox and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Any chance LaLaLand revisits this and it ends up happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 It's not up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, Jay said: It's not up to them. I know. I really hope these end up being released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 down, hope Moonraker is next Bryant Burnette and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,006 Posted November 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2022 Fingers crossed. In fact fingers crossed for all the Bond music to be released properly. Even if I don't personally want or need all of it, it should be lovingly preserved. Karol Florian, Andy, Once and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, crocodile said: Fingers crossed. In fact fingers crossed for all the Bond music to be released properly. Even if I don't want or need all of it, it should be preserved lovingly. Karol If TND does well I assume there’s more to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 I seem to recall MV mentioning something about EON being pleased with the collaboration. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2022 I hope Licence to Kill is next. Such a great and underrated score. Naïve Old Fart, crocodile, Yavar Moradi and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 I hope to get the remaining two Arnold scores as well. But because there doesn't seem to be that much missing between them I would just release them as one set. And maybe they could include some extra music Arnold did for EON/Bond projects (commercials etc). Karol Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Casino Royale already has a complete release on digital platforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 It isn't complete. Florian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,385 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 I didn't want to be the guy who follows a fantastic announcement with "That's cool but when can we get..." For one thing TND is SO cool. But boy would I love to have a deluxe Goldeneye. Maybe someday. (Yes, and Moonraker and License to Kill.) Florian and Corellian2019 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,343 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 I really don't care about GoldenEye or Licence to Kill. Would be very nice to know that a competent producer had tackled them, of course, but it's not pressing at all. Can't wait to re-discover TND. DeltaPupJux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,123 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 I only have a handful of Bond CDs… What about all the previously released Barry scores? Are they complete? Is there a lot of demand to improve on those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted November 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2022 Most of the Barry Bond reissues are complete, although not having to programme the blooming CD player whenever I want to listen to them, would be advantage. Andy, bollemanneke and Once 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 407 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Not sure if this is worth it, I still have the Chapter III CD. But it IS tempting. Moonraker has top priority though. No offense to Michael Kamen, but License To Kill is a TV movie with a cinematic budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2022 Boy I wish we had downvoting on this forum HunterTech, Florian, bollemanneke and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Boy I wish we had downvoting on this forum Poor Mattris would never stand a chance! 7 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: Casino Royale already has a complete release on digital platforms. 7 hours ago, Jay said: It isn't complete. I've seen it labeled as complete repeatedly for years and this is the first time I've ever seen anyone dispute that. What's missing? Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 @Andy, there's a jazz cue in THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS, that plays right before the police chase, but I've no idea who composed it. There might be some other source cues, but I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,352 Posted November 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2022 49 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said: I've seen it labeled as complete repeatedly for years and this is the first time I've ever seen anyone dispute that. What's missing? There's inserts in Africa Rundown, and one other cue too I think? That might be it for what you can hear in the film, but who knows what unused music may exist in the vaults - all of Neil's other Arnold Bond expansions revealed things we didn't know existed, so Casino Royale certainly could too Florian, A. A. Ron and Quppa 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 As far as Casino Royale is concerned, there is a cue after or an extension of "License: 2 Kills" before You Know My Name, and 3 little inserts in African Rundown. crumbs and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Oh ok. Well at least it sounds like pretty minor stuff. Bring on Moonraker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManofDestiny 71 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 9 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Most of the Barry Bond reissues are complete, although not having to programme the blooming CD player whenever I want to listen to them, would be advantage. Not familiar with Bond score reissues. May I ask which are complete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,123 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 They should reissue them again. They’ve all gone OOP Florian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 To be honest, all I want from Arnold, in physical form, from CASINO ROYALE, and QUANTUM OF SOLACE, are "Licence Two Kills", and the brilliant "Crawl, End Crawl". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 19 hours ago, TolkienSS said: Not sure if this is worth it, I still have the Chapter III CD. But it IS tempting. This 'Chapter III' thing I keep seeing mentioned, was that some sort of official release, or just a boot? I only bring it up as usually these expansions are designed to make boots unneeded, whereas a prior official release is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Chapter III was a real music label and their expansion was official, even including an interview with Arnold as the final track crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I believe I read that the first OST was put together before the score had finished recording and that for whatever reason they were recording the score more or less in chronological order, explaining why the first album has music from the first half of the film and the Chapter III album has more from the end. Florian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 348 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 The Arnold expansion is wonderful - not sure anyone needs License to Kill. How many times have you listened to your expanded Roadhouse score.....Kamen and expansion don't work well. He is okay at moments but the majority of Die Hard is just basic underscore. Give me the anti-patriarchal, un-conservative anthem from Living Daylights any day TolkienSS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted November 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2022 I agree with your opinion of Kamen's Die Hard (and Roadhouse) but respectfully request you give Licence to Kill another chance/revisit. Kamen was a HUGE Bond fan and actually put a ton of brilliant Bond touches into the score, with a lot of excellent orchestral writing. More music is unreleased from his Bond score than literally any other Bond score (it's over half unreleased). I think a complete edition will be a revelation for a lot of people. Yavar crocodile, blondheim, Amer and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 348 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Fair enough, Yavar. I'm not a Bond fan, so I like those Arnold touches that are non-Bondy for one. But I respect Kamen as a composer so any opportunity for him to do different, sure.....But, he's Michael Kamen. He does not change the hair too often does he. We have: Potentially composed by Boardman and others..... And this Potentially composed by Davis and others.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florian 4 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 27/11/2022 at 4:34 PM, Anthony said: As far as Casino Royale is concerned, there is a cue after or an extension of "License: 2 Kills" before You Know My Name, and 3 little inserts in African Rundown. That string swell/sting right before the title song is tracked, IIRC. Also missing is the film version of Blunt Instrument (the ending is different on the album). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amer 2,102 Posted November 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 29/11/2022 at 5:55 AM, Yavar Moradi said: I agree with your opinion of Kamen's Die Hard (and Roadhouse) but respectfully request you give Licence to Kill another chance/revisit. Kamen was a HUGE Bond fan and actually put a ton of brilliant Bond touches into the score, with a lot of excellent orchestral writing. More music is unreleased from his Bond score than literally any other Bond score (it's over half unreleased). I think a complete edition will be a revelation for a lot of people. Yavar I only had a tape dub of this album when it came out and that was it. It would be awesome to get a fully expanded set on cd in the future. Bryant Burnette, Yavar Moradi and Florian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 16 hours ago, Florian said: Also missing is the film version of Blunt Instrument (the ending is different on the album). Ah yes, I forgot about that! Vesper's Theme is also shortened in the film, but I think that's a post-production edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Can someone explain to me what's the release situation of the John Barry scores? Do they all have some kind of expansions or do the complete recordings rot in a vault? A James Bond John Barry collection seems like a neat idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxsch 115 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Can someone explain to me what's the release situation of the John Barry scores? Do they all have some kind of expansions or do the complete recordings rot in a vault? A James Bond John Barry collection seems like a neat idea... EMI have done a remaster/reissue series in the 2003. Some expanded, some expanded and remastered. Thunderball, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, You Only Live Twice (complete) and Diamonds Are Forever (complete) were remixed. Live and Let Die is complete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 So a re-release this time mastered by MM and truly complete would be welcomed, I guess. Dr. No, From Russia with Love, Goldfinger and later John Barry scores are not expanded at all? EDIT: Ok, I was looking into it, they really re-released everything up to Living Daylights (the last John Barry score), but the scores are completely randomly expanded or not expanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 22 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: So a re-release this time mastered by MM and truly complete would be welcomed, I guess. Dr. No, From Russia with Love, Goldfinger and later John Barry scores are not expanded at all? EDIT: Ok, I was looking into it, they really re-released everything up to Living Daylights (the last John Barry score), but the scores are completely randomly expanded or not expanded. It's a real mishmash. Most (all?) that have been expanded feature the original album programme first followed by the previously unreleased material. A couple have some of the additional material in extended suites which mean some of it is out of order and can't be meaningfully inserted without editing the tracks down. 5 hours ago, mxsch said: EMI have done a remaster/reissue series in the 2003. Some expanded, some expanded and remastered. Thunderball, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, You Only Live Twice (complete) and Diamonds Are Forever (complete) were remixed. Live and Let Die is complete Careless, I didn't pick up Live and Let Die. Is it worth looking up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Brundlefly said: So a re-release this time mastered by MM and truly complete would be welcomed, I guess. Dr. No, From Russia with Love, Goldfinger and later John Barry scores are not expanded at all? EDIT: Ok, I was looking into it, they really re-released everything up to Living Daylights (the last John Barry score), but the scores are completely randomly expanded or not expanded. They released goldeneye too, i have it.* It seems they stopped there. *it was bundled in a pack with other two scores i didnt have from the older films, just in case someone thought i like this score 😅 Stark and Smeltington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 25 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: it was bundled in a pack with other two scores i didnt have from the older films, just in case someone thought i like this score 😅 So what if you did? blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: They released goldeneye too, i have it.* It seems they stopped there. Seems like they skipped Licence to Kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Here's where Bond expansions stand - please inform me if I made any mistakes Year Title Composer Film Music Expansion 1962 Dr. No Monty Norman MGM/UA UMG 1963 From Russia With Love John Barry MGM/UA UMG 1964 Goldfinger John Barry MGM/UA UMG 2003 EMI 1965 Thunderball John Barry MGM/UA UMG 2003 EMI 1967 You Only Live Twice John Barry MGM/UA UMG 2003 EMI 1969 On Her Majesty's Secret Service John Barry MGM/UA UMG 2003 EMI 1971 Diamonds Are Forever John Barry MGM/UA UMG 2003 EMI 1973 Live and Let Die George Martin MGM/UA UMG 2003 EMI 1974 The Man With The Golden Gun John Barry MGM/UA UMG 1977 The Spy Who Loved Me Marvin Hamlisch MGM/UA UMG 1979 Moonraker John Barry MGM/UA UMG 1981 For Your Eyes Only Bill Conti MGM/UA UMG 2003 EMI 1983 Octopussy John Barry MGM/UA UMG 1985 A View To A Kill John Barry MGM/UA UMG 1987 The Living Daylights John Barry MGM/UA WMG 1998 Rykodisc 1989 License To Kill Michael Kamen MGM/UA UMG 1995 GoldenEye Éric Serra MGM/UA WMG 1997 Tomorrow Never Dies David Arnold MGM/UA UMG 2022 La-La Land 1999 The World Is Not Enough David Arnold MGM/UA UMG 2018 La-La Land 2002 Die Another Day David Arnold MGM/UA WMG 2017 La-La Land 2006 Casino Royale David Arnold Sony SME 2006 Sony 2008 Quantum of Solace David Arnold Sony SME 2012 Skyfall Thomas Newman Sony SME 2015 Spectre Thomas Newman Sony UMG 2021 No Time To Die Hans Zimmer MGM/UA UMG JibberJabberwocky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 12 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Dr. No, From Russia with Love, Goldfinger and later John Barry scores are not expanded at all? Goldfinger was expanded over the original US album, but only by four cues which were present on an overseas pressing of the original album. The complete sessions for the first three films were apparently lost or unavailable to Lukas Kendall at the time he was helping produce these reissues for EMI. No idea if they might have been discovered since. 12 hours ago, Brundlefly said: EDIT: Ok, I was looking into it, they really re-released everything up to Living Daylights (the last John Barry score), but the scores are completely randomly expanded or not expanded. It wasn't random at all. Here are 2003 and 2017 interviews with producer Lukas Kendall about it: https://www.universalexports.net/interviews/kendall.shtml https://jamesbondradio.com/the-music-of-bond-an-interview-with-producer-lukas-kendall/ And here's an audio interview with him: I feel like he also went into further detail at FSM somewhere but can't easily find that. In short: For some scores there just weren't available elements (Dr. No, From Russia With Love, Moonraker (the tapes weren't lost but they weren't where the other scores were) Goldfinger beyond those four cues I mentioned), some scores he did significantly expand couldn't be complete (Thunderball, On Her Majesty's Secret Service) because he was limited to what would fit on a single disc, and some scores he had elements for and could presumably have expanded (i.e. The Man With the Golden Gun), but he was working on a time/budget crunch and was forced to prioritize which expansions he felt were most important. 1 hour ago, Jay said: Here's where Bond expansions stand - please inform me if I made any mistakes I'm not an expert but I know Octopussy was never expanded. I'd double check soundtrackcollector.com and compare album lengths. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Wasn't there also a Thunderball alternate that couldn't be released because of sound issues? (Which could possibly be overcame with modern technology) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxsch 115 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 13 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: It's a real mishmash. Most (all?) that have been expanded feature the original album programme first followed by the previously unreleased material. A couple have some of the additional material in extended suites which mean some of it is out of order and can't be meaningfully inserted without editing the tracks down. Careless, I didn't pick up Live and Let Die. Is it worth looking up? Yeah, Live and Let Die is very nice, it's definitely worth to pick it up Tom Guernsey and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Agreed, it’s one of the very best non-Barry scores (better than a few of the Barry scores IMO). That’s why Lukas Kendall prioritized expanding it! Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: Octopussy was never expanded. I'd double check soundtrackcollector.com Thanks, it turns out the Rykodisc edition just added 3 dialogue tracks. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxsch 115 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Jay said: Thanks, it turns out the Rykodisc edition just added 3 dialogue tracks. I know not so much examples of it, but it's one of the most horrible inclusions to do, if not absolutely the worst. That's a thing on the first Creed album and they are integrated right in the tracks. And the only way to avoid it is to buy "Director's Cut" vinyl from Mondo. What were they thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Living daylights was expanded in 2003. I have it. It is complete isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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