Bespin 8,480 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Let's discuss below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Godzilla Bespin and bruce marshall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 UNFORGIVEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Muad'Dib and Nick1Ø66 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Arpy 4,145 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 The Fellowship of the Ring Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,359 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Within the action/adventure genre, I consider Jurassic Park pretty much perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Jaws and Raiders for me. Fellowship gets closest of the trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I can find things to pick apart in just about any film. Ferris Bueller's Day Off comes close. Really my only issue with it is the retroactive disgust from the later revelation that the actor who played the principal is a pedophile. But they wouldn't have known that at the time. Raiders comes awful close, too. Not a big fan of the implication that Indy was involved with Marion when she was that young. And I hate to open this can of worms again, but some of the depictions of the locals in Peru, Nepal, and Egypt have begun to bug me a little over the years. But boy, is there a lot to enjoy in the film. Back to the Future also comes to mind. It feels pretty perfect to me. I'm not sure how the whole mother-who-unwittingly-wants-to-bang-her-son conceit manages to come across as funny rather than disturbing. Yet somehow they pulled it off... Then in television, I got two words for you: Breaking Bad. I sometimes get a little weary of "the cousins" for some reason. Otherwise...yep, perfection in my book. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,387 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Raiders of the Lost Ark Jaws Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 18 minutes ago, Datameister said: Ferris Bueller's Day Off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeDocMatt 57 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 More recent films that have come closest to perfection in their genre for me are: A.I. Artificial Intelligence (although what genre is it... maybe it’s a bad example...) Jurassic Park Pride and Prejudice (2005) Your Name (a little bit more approachable Ghibli-like film) Stardust The Incredibles And finally... Home Alone I suspect there are a lot of films before my time that set and transcend the bar for their time period that I have yet to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Jay said: I watched that movie for the first time recently, overall I enjoyed it but I found the third act to be very rushed and disjointed from the careful and methodical setup of the spirit world in the first two acts. I suppose it felt more like a concept film than one that was primarily driven by characters If by perfect you mean without any flaws, then I can't think of any. Even some of the films I think are the best constructed like Empire Strikes Back has a small number of flaws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Oh, and three Pixar films I think are pretty perfect: Toy Story, Finding Nemo, and The Incredibles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Yeah Back to the Future is another. I can't find fault in it. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I reckon Shawshank is pretty much flawless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,387 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Bespin and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 No one picked the one I'm thinking of yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,387 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bespin said: No one picked the one I'm thinking of yet... E.T.? Andy and bruce marshall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 56 minutes ago, Bellosh said: E.T.? OMG I can't think about a more imperfect movie, even if I absolutely love it! I was born in 1974, E.T. really holds an important part in my childhood life! Oomoog the Ecstatic, bruce marshall and Bellosh 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 It's A Wonderful Life is pretty nigh perfect. As is Bambi. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I don't think there is a perfect film, for the greatest movies have glaring flaws, in fact they seem to have more obvious flaws than weaker movies. If there were a perfect film, you wouldn't need any others. Movies that aren't that great seem to have less flaws, like Shawshank Redemption or Lord of the Rings, but they have less intrigue or meaning overall. Movies that are in a league of their own seem to have so much strength and weakness at the same time, by rough design of their bounds broken and allowed budget, like Mulholland Dr., The Matrix, Predestination, or well, anything by David Lynch. Deep and engrossing scripts don't have a large market of backing producers to really fly away with. Also I think Star Wars is better than LoTR, that's just me. Producers don't cater to good films because they are harder and riskier to make, don't sell as well as the stupid ones. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, SteveMc said: As is Bambi. If you want to destroy me, force me to watch Bambi! But, that's not a perfect film. Oh, stop naming Disney movies for God sake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 In my view, no there is not. And once I came to that realization I was able to subconsciously enjoy more films. I mean, in my opinion there are plenty of basically perfect films... perfect for me though. Objectively speaking though, no. In the big picture, I do not believe there is a perfect film. I'm not gonna list any of my personal "perfect" films, I'll probably get flak for some of them. Oomoog the Ecstatic and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 ESCAPE FROM ALCATRAZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 Is it a movie with Clint Eastwood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, TSMefford said: In my view, no there is not. And once I came to that realization I was able to subconsciously enjoy more films. I mean, in my opinion there are plenty of basically perfect films... perfect for me though. Objectively speaking though, no. In the big picture, I do not believe there is a perfect film. I'm not gonna list any of my personal "perfect" films, I'll probably get flak for some of them. I do not believe you can not speak objectively about something that inherently needs personal standards to function Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 56 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: I do not believe you can not speak objectively about something that inherently needs personal standards to function What is more objective in the soft sense, a group opinion, or an interesting individual's? Neither. If I had to choose, the latter is more assured and worth looking into. 1 hour ago, TSMefford said: In my view, no there is not. And once I came to that realization I was able to subconsciously enjoy more films. I mean, in my opinion there are plenty of basically perfect films... perfect for me though. Objectively speaking though, no. In the big picture, I do not believe there is a perfect film. I'm not gonna list any of my personal "perfect" films, I'll probably get flak for some of them. Can you PM me your best film recommendation. Favorite film preferably, I'd like to check it out and PM you later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, Oomoog the Ecstatic said: What is more objective in the soft sense, a group opinion, or an interesting individual's? Neither. If I had to choose, I'd say the latter is more assured and worth looking into. Can you PM me your best film recommendation. Favorite film preferably, I'd like to check it out and PM you later. I would say that the moment you get into a sense of 'soft objectivity' then you're no longer talking about objectivity. If we're talking about group opinion though then that could be an argument for normativity, but I think I ultimately agree that I'd rather hear what an individual has to say. It's easier to conceptualise and is more multi-layered than an abstraction of general opinion which is incredibly prone to distortion Oomoog the Ecstatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 ZZZzzz... Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: I would say that the moment you get into a sense of 'soft objectivity' then you're no longer talking about objectivity. If we're talking about group opinion though then that could be an argument for normativity, but I think I ultimately agree that I'd rather hear what an individual has to say. It's easier to conceptualise and is more multi-layered than an abstraction of general opinion which is incredibly prone to distortion Lol sure. I mean it doesn't quite make sense in my brain if I'm honest. Because many of my favorite films are perfect or near perfect to me. However, I am also aware that they have flaws and others do not like them, which tells me they're definitely not perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon Blues 65 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 The Room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, TSMefford said: Lol sure. I mean it doesn't quite make sense in my brain if I'm honest. Because many of my favorite films are perfect or near perfect to me. However, I am also aware that they have flaws and others do not like them, which tells me they're definitely not perfect. I think in that case that's the dichotomy between taste and criticism. Which isn't to say that criticism is universal by any means, just that there's a separation between what personally connects to you and an appreciation of how well a film achieves its goals across many different forms of analysis from technical to emotional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: I think in that case that's the dichotomy between taste and criticism. Which isn't to say that criticism is universal by any means, just that there's a separation between what personally connects to you and an appreciation of how well a film achieves its goals across many different forms of analysis from technical to emotional I suppose, but wouldn't a "perfect" film do both, or at least...be well received by most critics and other audience members? To be fair. The topic is "Is there a PERFECT film?", not "What is your personal perfect film." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, TSMefford said: I suppose, but wouldn't a "perfect" film do both? In the eyes of the individual then yes, I would say so. People here have at least intuitively decided to separate movies that they critically appreciate from ones they wholly enjoy, certainly it is more connection than anything that encourages such virulent passion about a piece of entertainment so it would very much have to be to the taste of the individual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 A perfect film masters all these artistically domain: The story The script The photography The acting The music The editing Oomoog the Ecstatic and Bellosh 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,387 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Bellosh said: Raiders of the Lost Ark Jaws Fuck it, I'm adding Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Not because of fandom. But because it's got the same amount of adventure and suspense, but it's twice is funny as Raiders. Every scene in that movie is just perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, TSMefford said: I suppose, but wouldn't a "perfect" film do both, or at least...be well received by most critics and other audience members? To be fair. The topic is "Is there a PERFECT film?", not "What is your personal perfect film." Hmm, I didn't see your elaborated edit I suppose in that case we would be more talking about the rare times that a movie has such a cultural impact that it unites both critics and audiences. In which case I would submit the first Star Wars movie as a candidate for that. Such a thing is an absolute rarity due to the inherently divisive nature of movies, Star Wars I suppose is an exception because of its universal appeal as the modern fairy-tale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 Star Wars 77? What a perfectly imperfect movie! DarthDementous and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I agree Star Wars is a bit closer to a perfect movie (than the movies mentioned by others so far), but that fact doesn't have anything to do with its public impact or rating imo. I guess it's just subjective. People in these threads just post high-rated movies they like, and ignore the ones they don't like. That's the accepted rhythm. I prefer TSMefford's approach. Share movies you really love that others don't get. It feels more illuminating and interesting to hear about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 Should I say my pick now or wait until tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bespin said: Should I say my pick now or wait until tomorrow? Post it in exactly 6.66666666.. hours from now. I'll be waiting. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 I'll be sleeping at 4 AM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Bespin, Bayesian and Unlucky Bastard 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 Nice try Justin, but no, you are disqualified by usage of too much bourbon. Better luck next time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Bespin said: No one picked the one I'm thinking of yet... Titanic? Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 I'm thinking hard... NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Bespin said: A perfect film masters all these artistically domain: The story The script The photography The acting The music The editing Production design? Lighting? Sound design? Casting? Pacing? Color grading? Visual effects? Themes? Staging/choreography? Social commentary? Humor? Originality? So many different lenses through which to look at this, figuratively speaking. Ultimately, for me, it's just a question of whether there's anything that detracts from me finding enjoyment and meaning in the film. A perfect film is one that I wouldn't change one bit. That means there's limitless potential for different films that achieve different kinds of perfection. Actually, by that metric, the most perfect film I can think of right now is Finding Nemo. I can't think of one thing I'd change about that flick. Oomoog the Ecstatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,336 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Isn't, at least under critics, Citizen Kane considered the most perfect movie of all time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Rosebud my arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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