GerateWohl 4,343 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Apart from that at first guess I find pretty perfect films are Gattaca A History of Violence Catch Me if You Can The Departed Princess Mononoke Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: Isn't, at least under critics, Citizen Kane considered the most perfect movie of all time? aaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH the French! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I know what the Gruesome Twosome consider the " perfect" film. 1 minute ago, DarthDementous said: aaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH the French! Nah. They considered the vastly overrated VERTIGO. KANE is a masterpiece. No debate on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Was referring to my favourite Orson Welles moment: Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 'Ave you ' eard Shatner berate a poor engineer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Perfect film? No. Almost perfect? Well, for what it's worth: TOY STORY 2, LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, FOUR WEDDINGS AND A FUNERAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, The Big Man said: Rosebud my arse! Whatever you're into. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I do wonder how many people here just rattle off their favourite movies? I don't think there is such a thing as a perfect movie. If one were to assess it, even from a subjective point of view, it would need to be far more narrowly defined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 24 minutes ago, Quintus said: Whatever you're into. Scented or unscented? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Pokemon: Lucario and the Mystery of Mew Bad Santa Reno 911! Miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,343 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 47 minutes ago, Thor said: I do wonder how many people here just rattle off their favourite movies? I think, that is an acceptable way of approaching the question. Sometimes when I look at those best ever movie lists or best ever song lists put together by journalists (no offense, I really value your work) then it usually looks like one third of the decisions is following oppinions from the history books, one third personal taste or peronal relationship (the director is such a nice and smart guy) and maybe the last third following some criteria that mostly try to bring in some kind of cool individual against the mainstream vibe to the decisions. The result is often not better than any other belly decision of an ordinary film freak. That's what I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: LAWRENCE OF ARABIA 2 I'd see that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Thor said: I do wonder how many people here just rattle off their favourite movies? Everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: I think, that is an acceptable way of approaching the question. Sometimes when I look at those best ever movie lists or best ever song lists put together by journalists (no offense, I really value your work) then it usually looks like one third of the decisions is following oppinions from the history books, one third personal taste or peronal relationship (the director is such a nice and smart guy) and maybe the last third following some criteria that mostly try to bring in some kind of cool individual against the mainstream vibe to the decisions. The result is often not better than any other belly decision of an ordinary film freak. That's what I think. Sure, that's why a question like this needs a narrower definition. I could be answered "by the history books" (as such, any Kubrick or Lean classic might fit the bill, for example). It could be answered by personal "favourites" (I could pick SCHINDLER'S LIST in that circumstance, which is pretty much perfection to me) or it could be a more esoteric choice, again very personal (I could pick, say, Satyjajit Ray's PATHER PANCHALI in that circumstance). So definition is the name of the game here, I think. Bayesian and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,343 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 24 minutes ago, Thor said: Sure, that's why a question like this needs a narrower definition. I could be answered "by the history books" (as such, any Kubrick classic might fit the bill, for example). It could be answered by personal "favourites" (I could pick SCHINDLER'S LIST in that circumstance, which is pretty much perfection to me) or it could be a more esoteric choice, again very personal (I could pick, say, Sayjajit Ray's PATER PANCHALI in that circumstance). So definition is the name of the game here, I think. I agree. I remember discussion with a friend of mine who held the films of Peter Greenaway in highest esteem and considered them as being perfect from an aestetic point of view and for him The Draughtsman's Contract was the most perfect film of all time. But he was much playing attention to visual composition and aestetic. I at that time rather considered Life of Brian the perfect movie because I was much into comedy. And we both had good arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 45 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I'd see that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I thought that was a joke, but it's real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,343 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 So, probably the Titanic sequel actually exists as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 It is. Turns out Rose lied to the reporters. Repressed memories, reliving a fantasy that never was, etc. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Entertaining film but I get annoyed by Mendes' anti-suburbs bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Big Man said: Entertaining film but I get annoyed by Mendes' anti-suburbs bullshit. Yeah I don't know shit about films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,359 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 @Chen G. hasn’t chimed in yet, but if I may speak on his behalf: Perfect movie = Braveheart End communication. Fabulin and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 5 hours ago, Thor said: I do wonder how many people here just rattle off their favourite movies? Personally, none of the three films that mentioned are anywhere near my top-ten, but I called them out because I genuinely believe that, in their own ways, they are almost perfect films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,903 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I consider Whiplash a perfect film. Very engaging with one of the best ending scene ever, very good casting and acting, excellent script, and major character development. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,395 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 And what about Shrek? It's a perfect film: great characters, fun script, funny jokes at the expense of Disney's animated classics, great score by HGW and JP and amazing CGI animation for 2001. Shrek 2 is pretty much perfect too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 "Only a JWFan deals in perfect." Alex (he knows his quotes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Couple more contenders for pretty nigh perfect: The Age of Innocence The Third Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I have a friend who has done some time as a screenwriter, and he always describes Home Alone as a perfect script, just in the sense that it sets up so many things big and small in the first act, pays off every one of them, and pays them off well. Generally, I don't think there is a perfect movie. I can point out objective and subjective flaws in any movie I can think of, even my favorite movies. EDIT: Except for Shrek 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, mstrox said: I have a friend who has done some time as a screenwriter In movie jail? bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 It's where most screenwriters do their time. My buddy wrote or cowrote a handful of movies for Asylum, which if you are unaware is a low-budget studio that specializes in "mockbusters" (i.e. when Transformers comes out, they'll release a direct-to-video movie called "Transmorphers") and low-budget DTV or cable TV C-movie fare like Sharknado. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,944 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Bayesian said: @Chen G. hasn’t chimed in yet, but if I may speak on his behalf: Perfect movie = Braveheart No, there is no such thing as a perfect film. But, to my mind, the true measure of any film is what you get out it. And if you exit the theater in a state of great elation, or catharsis or (in a comedy) having had a great laugh, then what does it matter whether it was technically "perfect" or not? The film in question is a great example of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 2001: A Space Odyssey Glóin the Dark and karelm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 No there is no perfect film. But I also know there are many films that despite some imperfections are still perfect pieces of entertainment. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Believing oneself to be perfect is often the sign of a delusional mind Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 16 hours ago, The Big Man said: I want to see this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAvengerButton 175 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Casablanca. Everything you want in a film in one movie. Excellent soundtrack, fantastic characters, classic romance, intrigue, suspense, adventure. There is not another film like it, though I wish there was. Extremely quotable. Favorite bit is Renault claiming his winnings after shutting down the Cafe. That and the immigrants going to America and practicing their english. "What watch?" Bespin and Nick1Ø66 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, TheAvengerButton said: There is not another film like it, though I wish there was. I saw your avatar as a llama. If you squint your eyes a lot, the ears are the eyes and the eyes are the nose. Btw, Grim Fandango is the best game ever, it has some Casablanca influences spread throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share Posted January 29, 2021 2001 Space Odyssey is PERFECT. PS: Some people suggest watching it with a bit of weed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 On 1/29/2021 at 5:16 AM, TheAvengerButton said: Casablanca. Everything you want in a film in one movie. Excellent soundtrack, fantastic characters, classic romance, intrigue, suspense, adventure. There is not another film like it, though I wish there was. Extremely quotable. Favorite bit is Renault claiming his winnings after shutting down the Cafe. That and the immigrants going to America and practicing their english. "What watch?" CASABLANCA is perhaps a perfect constellation of clichées, wherein all the tropes get together to celebrate themselves. That's a positive value judgement, by the way, inspired by Pauline Kael's legendary quote about the film: Quote When all the archetypes burst out shamelessly, we plumb Homeric profundity. Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Oy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Can't believe y'all are picking apart Casablanca and nobody had jack to say about Ed's nominations of Shrek and Shrek 2. Jurassic Shark and Edmilson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2021 I think, we can all agree that the main problem in order to be able to label a film as "perfect" is the relation between the films own demands for itself - what the film wants to be and wants to achieve, which must be identified and classified - and the films final quality - what the film actually is and succeeds to achieve, which must be identified and classified as well. This is two major aspects related to each other that make this very complicated anyway to rate a movie, and now, when you're heading for a term as unmitigated as "perfect" it doesn't get easier. I'm all for a fair amount of objectivity when we're about to rate art, but it's hard as fuck, because in the end it remains such an unfathomable matter. TSMefford, Chen G. and GerateWohl 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,944 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Brundlefly said: is the relation between the films own demands for itself - what the film wants to be and wants to achieve, which must be identified and classified - and the films final quality - what the film actually is and succeeds to achieve, which must be identified and classified as well. I used to champion this approach a lot - this idea that you judge a film by letting it set the standard, roughly within the confines of the first act, and then judge it by how well it stands-up to those standards. There's still a lot of validity to that, of course, and its still an approach that informs the way I look at movies, but I no longer regard it as the whole truth. For one thing, sometimes it can come across as a low-bar: Marvel films come to mind: are they anything other than what they set themselves up to be? No. Does that make them good? Hmm... The way I put it, just because a choice is intentional (including the "bar" a film sets for itself) doesn't necessarily mean it works. Ultimately, like I said earlier, I judge movies by what I get out of them. That seems to be the most substantive approach. Oomoog the Ecstatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,398 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 13 hours ago, Bespin said: 2001 Space Odyssey is PERFECT. PS: Some people suggest watching it with a bit of weed. his movies ARE perfect. But my choice for perfect movies have to have a bit of warmth to them. His movies are a bit too cold for my 'perfect' consideration. Bespin and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 18 hours ago, Bespin said: Some people suggest watching it with a bit of weed. If one needs some sort of "enhancement" to watch a film, can that film be any good, in the first place? Chen G. and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Casablanca was the first perfect film, and remains perfect to this day. On this subject there can be no debate. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 On 1/28/2021 at 8:31 AM, GerateWohl said: Apart from that at first guess I find pretty perfect films are Gattaca A History of Violence Catch Me if You Can The Departed Princess Mononoke I entered to say "Gattaca" and "The Departed"! To which I add: The Fellowship of the Ring A. I. Artificial Intelligence Pulp Fiction The Book Thief Alien GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,398 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 The Silence of the Lambs is perfect. Bespin and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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