Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 Yeah, that's the best take on Laura's theme on record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 You talk about this album? A 1976 re-recording directed by Raskin himself, Gerhardt was the producer? https://www.discogs.com/David-Raksin-New-Philharmonia-Orchestra-David-Raksin-Conducts-His-Great-Film-Scores/release/7481822 https://www.discogs.com/David-Raksin-New-Philharmonia-Orchestra-David-Raksin-Conducts-His-Great-Film-Scores/release/11352162 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 That's the one. Get it if you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bespin said: You talk about this album? A 1976 re-recording directed by Raskin himself, Gerhardt was the producer? Yes. Raksin, not Raskin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Yes. Raksin, not Raskin. That's what I wrote, Rakskin! 4 minutes ago, Romão said: That's the one. Get it if you can It seems already rare... well at least the 2011 re-issue. It may sound better than the 1991 "old" CD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I only have the 1991 cd, but it always sounded great to me. All these albums sounded great in their original release, actually. I have no idea if the sound was improved for the re-releases, but I don't there was much room for improvement. They have always sounded great, IMHO Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Like Jurassic said, they actually seems to reissue this collection, one by one, in SACD (but I don't care at all about SACD!). But no panic, the 2011 reissue is on Spotify :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 Well, it's hybrid SACDs, and the CD layer also has improved sound. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 This album directed by RAKSIN himself, seems the only one of the series not conducted by Gerhardt, am I correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 That's right. Max Steiner was used as consultant for the Gone with the Wind album, if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I really feel that those twelve albums, plus the three Williams related, plus the Raksin, are the best film music collection there is. Bespin and Omen II 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 Indeed, and throw in the few Gerhardt albums on Varese. And the three Kojian albums... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I had a high school teacher that lent me the Waxman and the Herrmann albums from that series when I was fifteen, and that really went a long way in cementing my love for film scores. And it was my first exposure to "older scores", let's say 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: And the three Kojian albums... Oh, those are great too Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,343 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 For Golden Age soundtracks it is good that there exist these suites, but mostly, I have say, I prefer if available complete re-recordings. I am currently listening to the Moscow Symphony recording of Max Steiner's "All this, and Heaven too". If you like Max Steiner strong recommendation. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I have the three Gerhardt Star Wars albums for years, classical and essential re-recordings! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: For Golden Age soundtracks it is good that there exist these suites, but mostly, I have say, I prefer if available complete re-recordings. I am currently listening to the Moscow Symphony recording of Max Steiner's "All this, and Heaven too". If you like Max Steiner strong recommendation. I prefer Alfred Newman. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 This is an essential Raksin album. Bought it in the 90s; the one you posted earlier seems to be a later edition of the same album with a different cover: I also have a great, rare sampler that includes the following. From the 2 LPs that accompanied the Library of Congress book "Wonderful Inventions" -- which served to illustrate two essays -- "Sound Idea: Music for Animated Films" and "David Raksin: A Composer in Hollywood.": 1. "First Kiss" from "Force of Evil" 2. "Bottom of the World" (original uncut version) form "Force of Evil" 3. "Finale" (original uncut version) from "Carrie" 4. "Come With Me" from "Carrie" 5. "Come With Me" (with dialogue) from "Carrie" 6. "Verkehrte Nacht" from "Separate Tables" 7. "It Made Me (sic)" from "Separate Tables" 8. "Unravelled Knight" from "Separate Tables" 9. "Too Soon" from "Separate Tables" 10. "Prologue" from "The Redeemer" 11. "Crucifixion" and "Epilogue" from "The Redeemer" THE REDEEMER is a favourite of mine. Fabulin and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 So I understand this album really goes with the 12-CD Gerhardt boxset (as the original RCA Classic Films Scores Collection). Are there other albums in this collection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 On 2/2/2021 at 11:17 AM, Jurassic Shark said: Great purchases, @Fabulin. Would you like to highlight some exerpts? Of the first 3 CDs of the Gerhardt box, the highlights to me are: Korngold - Devotion - The Death of Emily Bronte Korngold - Captain Blood - Overture Korngold - The Constant Nymph - Tomorrow Op. 33 (although the concert overture written for the premiere of said film is still better) Tiomkin - Friendly Persuasion - Love Scene in the Barn Korngold - The Sea Hawk - The Throne Room of Elizabeth I Steiner - Dodge City Waxman - Objective Burma On a different level for me is Hugo Friedhofer's The Sun Also Rises. Magnificent. Fake giant among real pygmies indeed. Yavar Moradi and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 17 hours ago, Fabulin said: (...) Tiomkin - Friendly Persuasion - Love Scene in the Barn (...) Love Scene in the Barn... Friendly persuasion? Now that's interresting. Is this movie rated PG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,176 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Fabulin said: Korngold - Captain Blood - Overture The Blood overture is a rare case where I think Gerhardt's version is just fine, but not my favourite. His take on Ship in the Night, however… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 7 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: The Blood overture is a rare case where I think Gerhardt's version is just fine, but not my favourite. What is your favourite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,176 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 The one you don't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 Stop pulling my leg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,176 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 The Kaufman suite. Still the best representation of the score in better sound than the OST that I'm aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 Too bad Gerhardt didn't record several tracks than the two that we got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 I don't have much of Max Steiner in my collection, as he's hit-and-miss with me, but these I had to get. Yavar Moradi and Omen II 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I had THE CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE once. Didn't care for it, so I sold it. Steiner is very hit/miss to me (more miss than hit), but some good ones here and there. Obviously the classics like KING KONG, the film noirs and that. But I also have a soft spot for THE ADVENTURES OF MARK TWAIN and THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE. The Stromberg rerecordings in both cases. Yavar Moradi and bruce marshall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 Stromberg did two re-recordings of Twain. I assume you're referring to the first, shorter recording. I've never warmed up to King King, but it's part of Naxos Monster Music box that I recently got, so I'll give it another chance. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: Stromberg did two re-recordings of Twain. I assume you're referring to the first, shorter recording. Yes, the one that is paired with Korngold's THE PRINCE AND THE PAUPER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 That's good as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yavar Moradi 2,591 Posted February 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2021 On 2/2/2021 at 11:54 AM, Romão said: The Egyptian is absolutely essential and one of my all time favorite scores. Although I reckon most of the stuff I love about that score was composed by Herrmann, it's still as essential as they come, specially in the very affordable and perfectly sequenced re-recording You don't have to "reckon", as it's on the record which cues were written by Herrmann and which by Newman...they each did about half the score (Herrmann did one more cue than Newman), but Herrmann largely used Newman's thematic material (and sometimes outright imitated his style, as in the Main Title), so if it's thematic writing as opposed to action music, you probably like Newman's contribution. The one main thematic exception written by Herrmann is the Nefer-Nefer-Nefer theme, which I do consider a highlight of the score. But (though it took me a few years to warm up to it) I do love the score as a whole, and it's amazing how Herrmann was able to mesh his sound well into Newman's. On 2/2/2021 at 12:14 PM, Fabulin said: Edit: and the 1920s Cool list! You need to pick up Florent Schmitt's Salammbo (1925) -- here's a piece featuring Doug Adams (The Music of the Lord of the Rings Films) about it: https://florentschmitt.com/2014/06/12/film-music-specialist-doug-adams-talks-about-florent-schmitts-salammbo-and-other-music-scores-from-the-silent-film-era/ And here's the album: http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=60041 And here's another article about the score including info about it being performed live to picture again in 1991: https://florentschmitt.com/2012/10/21/one-heck-of-a-film-score-florent-schmitts-salammbo/ Also you should also get Carmen (1926) by Ernesto Halffter, reconstructed and conducted by Mark Fitz-Gerald for Naxos (same guy who's been restoring and conducting a bunch of complete Shostakovich film scores over the past decade or so...you probably have his recording of Alone/Odna): https://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=550967 Yavar Romão, Fabulin and Jurassic Shark 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yavar Moradi 2,591 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Fabulin said: Thank you for the recommendations; I will certainly check them out. In return I recommend Schmitt's Antoine et Cleopatre and La Tragedie de Salome. I have this recording of the latter and love it (I just thought we were talking about film music specifically in this thread): https://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA67599 What recording do you recommend of the former? 1 hour ago, Fabulin said: Is Nefer-Nefer-Nefer's theme the one that sounds like Hatikvah? Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: You don't have to "reckon", as it's on the record which cues were written by Herrmann and which by Newman...they each did about half the score (Herrmann did one more cue than Newman), but Herrmann largely used Newman's thematic material (and sometimes outright imitated his style, as in the Main Title), so if it's thematic writing as opposed to action music, you probably like Newman's contribution. The one main thematic exception written by Herrmann is the Nefer-Nefer-Nefer theme, which I do consider a highlight of the score. But (though it took me a few years to warm up to it) I do love the score as a whole, and it's amazing how Herrmann was able to mesh his sound well into Newman's. Yes, I'm well aware, but since both composers often use the same themes in this score, it becomes harder to know who came up with the thematic material. Merit's theme is most certainly Newman's and Nefer's is clearly Herrmann's. The theme that is introduced in track 2 "The Ruins", for example: Is probably my favorite from this score and it is used throughout, but I'm not even sure who actually composed it, as both composers make extensive use of it. I agree that Nefer-Nefer-Nefer is a standout track Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Herrmann is my favorite composer of that era by far, but a number of my favorite scores from him are outside the time range that I saw mentioned in the OP. Gotta be honest, Korngold practically never does it for me. That thick, busy sound he has just shuts me out. But amid the shroud of string runs, there is a hidden eye of the storm that brings me delight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Hot Take (?): on that rerecording, Deception is the score I like the best Nick Parker and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Just now, Spider-Fal said: Hot Take (?): on that rerecording, Deception is the score I like the best Yes! Also, if the time band onthis thread was a little wider, it would be me hijacking it into an Alex North appreciation thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,591 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 @Nick Parker you should try The Sea Wolf — a very different score by Korngold and I think right up your alley as a Herrmann fan. It showed Korngold would have kicked ass in the noir genre. Yavar bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Nick Parker said: Also, if the time band onthis thread was a little wider, it would be me hijacking it into an Alex North appreciation thread. You can talk about his early scores. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: @Nick Parker you should try The Sea Wolf — a very different score by Korngold and I think right up your alley as a Herrmann fan. It showed Korngold would have kicked ass in the noir genre. Yavar Thanks for the recommendation! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 24, 2021 Author Share Posted February 24, 2021 Recently bought this. For some reason it was never rereleased on Naxos. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 I have that! It's excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 Lately, I've been listening to my old Stromberg recording of All About Eve. Good tempo, decent (if not great) playing, and it's nice to have an extended suite of almost five minutes compared to only having the short main title cue. But boy, is Gerhardt's recording of the (extended) main title a better performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 I have that Stromberg disc. It's great, especially the HUNCHBACK bits! I once had the FSM release of ALL ABOUT EVE too, coupled with LEAVE HER TO HEAVEN, but sold it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 Yeah, the complete EVE score isn't very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,591 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Alfred Newman is my favorite Golden Age composer, but All About Eve is a score I’ve just never clicked with. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 452 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 On 2/10/2021 at 3:38 PM, Jurassic Shark said: I don't have much of Max Steiner in my collection, as he's hit-and-miss with me, but these I had to get. That is my favorite Steiner score -- period. Fun movie too, even if it's not one of Flynn's best. Tribute has done some AMAZING film score reconstruction and stellar re-recordings. Stromberg, Morgan and Bonn really invest a lot of time and love into these. Disco Stu and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 On 2/10/2021 at 11:34 PM, Yavar Moradi said: @Nick Parker you should try The Sea Wolf — a very different score by Korngold and I think right up your alley as a Herrmann fan. It showed Korngold would have kicked ass in the noir genre. Yavar My fave of his- by far! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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