Popular Post Chen G. 3,942 Posted January 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 7/7/2003 at 9:16 PM, Hlao-roo said: A better written script and maybe a somewhat compressed running time would have done wonders to Cameron's movie for me.. If I were to recut Titanic I would remove maybe two or three minutes off it’s running time, at the most. I love that the movie is patient, confident and takes its sweet time. Filmmakers today don’t have the balls to edit like this. MikeH, TSMefford, Edmilson and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Chen G. said: I see your bet, and raise you one Gift of a Thistle. I haven't seen the film or heard the score to Braveheart - strangely it's a film I've never been compelled to watch. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,942 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Oh, you have so much to discover! Just you wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,491 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 I tried it not long ago. Couldn't get to the part where it finally starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,942 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 It takes its time. Again, it’s the kind of confidence that you don’t see anymore in films, which makes it all the more rewarding now. Horner's score (wonderful) benefits from this enormously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: If I were to recut Titanic I would remove maybe two or three minutes off it’s running time, at the most. I love that the movie is patient, confident and takes its sweet time. Filmmakers today don’t have the balls to edit like this. Despite its three hour runtime, it's very economical in its editing when you consider how much fluff and excess was ultimately axed. Chen G., Edmilson, Holko and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 7/7/2003 at 2:16 PM, Hlao-roo said: Actually, although part of my post was sarcastic and critical of Cameron's production (the brazen unoriginality of the story), I really do think more highly of Cameron's movie. Catherine Zeta-Jones, George C. Scott, and even Tim Curry (who's usually at his best when he's playing the smarmy, duplicitous villain) were all at top form, but I never felt the movie really coalesced -- just a lot of diverting sub-plots. I appreciated the 1997 movie's sharper focus, as well as the superior action staging.. A better written script and maybe a somewhat compressed running time would have done wonders to Cameron's movie for me.. The script is the biggest liability. It is essentially a teenage level YA script. But the technical accomplishment of the movie is hard to argue with. It is absolutely a technical marvel. And the score is stirring indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Titanic is just that decade's Dr. Zhivago, with all the baggage, positive and negative, attached. And the score is almost as awful as Jarre's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,942 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, publicist said: Titanic is just that decade's Dr. Zhivago. Good comparison, actually. I actually rather dislike “romantic epics”, including Zhivago, so that I like Titanic at all (and I like it a lot, actually) is really a testament to the quality of its construction. Jarre’s Lara’s theme is the kind of tune that’s memorable and infectious, but NOT in a good way. I don’t feel the same about Horner’s score, though. It hits me in the feels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Titanic has a proper score. Zhivago is just Lara's theme applied like ketchup. Its a very treacly theme - maudlin in the extreme. Jarre arguably had a superior main theme as heard in the main title but that is chucked to the side for the kitsch of the Lara's theme which appears nearly in every scene - or that is what it seems like. Edmilson and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 What does the score have to do with it? Pub's point stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,457 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 TITANIC is perfection just the way it is. I'm glad Williams never got involved, if he was indeed ever in the running (which I doubt). MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Well, the making-of book referenced in this thread was on point as far as I recall, even introducing me to Avatar back in the day. I see no reason not to believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,373 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Jarre arguably had a superior main theme as heard in the main title but that is chucked to the side for the kitsch of the Lara's theme which appears nearly in every scene - or that is what it seems like. The main title of Zhivago is wonderful. I wished that theme appeared more on that score, as the repetitions of Lara's theme got very repetitive after a while. About Titanic, anyone else here is a fan of Old Rose's theme, and wished Cameron used it more on the movie? I love how, on this track, Old Rose's theme, on 1:04, transitions into the Adventure/Lovett theme, at 1:33: The performance of the theme here, starting on 1:32, is extremely touching, and reminded me of the music Horner would write for Deep Impact, Bicentennial Man and A Beautiful Mind a few years later: Like the main title theme of Zhivago, it could've been used more often on the final cut of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I never thought of that bit as Old Rose's theme! And I think what you are calling the Adventure theme is the ship's theme. That reminds me - is there a detailed and comprehensive theme breakdown of Titanic anywhere? I've been looking for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,373 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Just now, TheUlyssesian said: I never thought of that bit as Old Rose's theme! And I think what you are calling the Adventure theme is the ship's theme. I always imagined that theme was meant to accompany Old Rose's scenes on the present, so I associated it with her. I don't know if I'm right though, since her scenes on the actual movie are scored mostly with tracked stuff. And you're right, that's the Titanic theme, my bad, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 The score's selling points, the *oirish* main theme, the song melody and the Enya impersonation, i cannot listen to anymore today. It's a truly foul work (which i fully blame on Cameron's dubious musical tastes) and while i certainly not would want a more conventional score by Williams, i would have hoped for a Horner along the lines of the nautical ship theme, the only theme that doesn't sound like elevator/pop award show tunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bilbo 3,709 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 On 7/5/2003 at 7:21 PM, Stefancos said: This is old news....very old news. Williams was definatly considered, they probably asked him, but for some reason he never did it. Horner's score is 100% perfect for the film. Stefancos- It’s so weird seeing posts by young Steph where he’s actually just participating and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 hours ago, publicist said: The score's selling points, the *oirish* main theme, the song melody and the Enya impersonation, i cannot listen to anymore today. It's a truly foul work (which i fully blame on Cameron's dubious musical tastes) and while i certainly not would want a more conventional score by Williams, i would have hoped for a Horner along the lines of the nautical ship theme, the only theme that doesn't sound like elevator/pop award show tunes. Awww man, dont ya like titanic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 hours ago, publicist said: The score's selling points, the *oirish* main theme, the song melody and the Enya impersonation, i cannot listen to anymore today. It's a truly foul work (which i fully blame on Cameron's dubious musical tastes) Don't you think its soulful, Pub? Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 hours ago, publicist said: The score's selling points, the *oirish* main theme, the song melody and the Enya impersonation, i cannot listen to anymore today. Same 'ere. Everything else though, including the Southampton theme and all the suspense/action/sinking music, I still very much enjoy, when I occasionally revisit (rare). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 52 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Don't you think its soulful, Pub? I tried again with the LLL release and it was as awful as i remembered it (dynamic stuff excluded, but i can get that from a hundred of his others). And i'm usually much more patient with Horner than with anybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, publicist said: And i'm usually much more patient with Horner than with anybody else. Yet you hate Living In The Age Of Airplanes, which is is pretty much a sampler of all of Horner's stylistic traits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I don't hate it, i find it merely superfluous and overly 'commercial', like the Avatar score, though that is a good deal more ambitious in scope. Tbh, all this was already developed in 'Mighty Joe Young' and it's still the best example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-Mile Reef 123 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 This is what was written in the Paula Parisi book. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Cameron was aware of Horner's recent streak of epic-ness and, like everyone else, did take notice of the 'For the Love of a Princess'-ness of Braveheart. So i'd take the whole Williams angle with a grain of salt, it's unlikely that Cameron's musical 'vision' would have meshed with Williams' working habits. Mike Gorfaine probably guessed as much when he slipped Horner that script. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 When I first heard TITANIC, in December, 1997, it took me one listen to declare that it would win both Best Score, and Best Song. Personally, I like it. It's not the acme of film scoring, neither is it RC drek. In any event, it's Horner's last truly great score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,457 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: When I first heard TITANIC, in December, 1997, it took me one listen to declare that it would win both Best Score, and Best Song. Personally, I like it. It's not the acme of film scoring, neither is it RC drek. In any event, it's Horner's last truly great score. No, that was a AVATAR. But TITANIC is still a masterpiece film and score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 The lasting legacy of the Titanic score for me is the tragedy theme. I would declare it one of the top 5 of top 10 themes of the past 25 years. It is a very simple theme in which Horner found the expression of a truly devastating incident that still haunts the world. It is used sparsely in the film but it is one of those insta-memorable themes. I swear play it for someone who hasn't seen the film and heard the soundtrack and they would know it after listening to it once. Horner has written more beautiful themes but it is Horner's most impactful theme - his claim to fame and what he should be remembered for. And the reason he probably won the Oscar. From the moment you hear it in the main title, you know it is a great piece of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Mortimer 43 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 When Cameron wanted Williams as composer for his movie, I suppose his music was on rough cut. Can anyone guess which Horner music was temp tracked by Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Horner has written more beautiful themes but it is Horner's most impactful theme - his claim to fame and what he should be remembered for. And the reason he probably won the Oscar. And i might add, it's the living proof why film score fans are as useless as Oscar voters when it comes to choose what's best. Brundlefly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,358 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 For all the crazy success Titanic brought Horner, there’s no evidence that he knew what a gargantuan hit his score would be, is there? I always imagined he treated the gig like any other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I think he might’ve had an inkling. At least he was smart enough to secure a contract that guaranteed him $1 per each soundtrack sale, which ended up netting him $20 million or so from score sales alone. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Ricardo Mortimer said: Can anyone guess which Horner music was temp tracked by Williams? JW as temp?! Oh, the humanity!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 hours ago, MikeH said: I think he might’ve had an inkling. At least he was smart enough to secure a contract that guaranteed him $1 per each soundtrack sale, which ended up netting him $20 million or so from score sales alone. Ironically, used Titanic CDs sell for $1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastoEls 556 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 On 1/28/2020 at 1:33 AM, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: Ironically, used Titanic CDs sell for $1. This is quite true. I bought Titanic at a charity shop here in South London for a mere £1 this weekend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,159 Posted February 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2020 On 1/26/2020 at 4:19 AM, Edmilson said: When Horner introduced the idea of an end titles song for Cameron, he yelled something like "Schindler's List didn't had a song!". And Horner replied: "I know, but they're all dead." Martinland, Bilbo, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 On 1/28/2020 at 4:02 AM, Naïve Old Fart said: When I first heard TITANIC, in December, 1997, it took me one listen to declare that it would win both Best Score, and Best Song. Personally, I like it. It's not the acme of film scoring, neither is it RC drek. In any event, it's Horner's last truly great score. The Zorro scores called... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 On 1/26/2020 at 6:18 AM, Brundlefly said: I am not a fan of James Horner at all, so I don't have to grapple with his cheesy music or gooey songs or constant plagiarism. I wished Williams or Goldsmith had written the score to Titanic, because it would have been much better in every regard (but it's also hard to do much worse than Horner). Seriously idiotic ramblings above. Titanic bashers are so sad. On 1/27/2020 at 1:07 PM, Thor said: No, that was a Amazing Spiderman. But TITANIC is still a masterpiece film and score ans the score to Avatar. Fixed it for you Chen G. and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 hours ago, JoeinAR said: Titanic bashers are so sad. This! Also, Cameron said to James Horner: no violins! I can't imagine he actually thought about John Williams if he had a clear vision of a score without violins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,373 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Anyone else likes Titanic more for the action music (Hard to Starboard, A Building Panic, Trapped on D Deck, The Sinking, Death of Titanic) than for the love theme that Celine Dion managed to render it insufferable? The material for the whole sinking sequence contains some of the best action music Horner wrote. But the Rose and Jack music... clearly designed to be a pop hit, like almost all of Horner's love themes. _deleted_ and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 On 1/26/2020 at 3:21 PM, Chen G. said: If I were to recut Titanic I would remove maybe two or three minutes off it’s running time, at the most. I love that the movie is patient, confident and takes its sweet time. Filmmakers today don’t have the balls to edit like this. It needs more explosions! Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,942 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 It mostly needed getting rid of that cutaway back to the framing device halfway through the movie. Cameron had balls of steel making this film the way he did, but I can't help but feel he lost it for a moment when he felt compelled to reassure his audiences that the sinking is coming up soon. Otherwise, fucking fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, Chen G. said: It mostly needed getting rid of that cutaway back to the framing device halfway through the movie. I'm not sure about what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,942 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 "That was the last time Titanic ever saw daylight." That scene is basically James Cameron reassuring his audience: "don't worry folks, I know you've been in your seats for quite some time, and I suppose its getting a bit cheesy, but just a little bit more and we'd get to the sinking!" Takes me out of the story for a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,010 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chen G. said: "That was the last time Titanic ever saw daylight." I can't remember that, but then it's more than 22 years since I saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,268 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: Anyone else likes Titanic more for the action music (Hard to Starboard, A Building Panic, Trapped on D Deck, The Sinking, Death of Titanic) than for the love theme WAY more, in my case DrTenma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Þekþiþm said: The Zorro scores called... ...waited and waited, and TITANIC didn't answer, so they went away, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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