Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, Smeltington said: It's one of his most savage pieces I can think of, along with the track "The Temple of Doom". There aren't many I'd put in that category. It's OK. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 27 minutes ago, Jay said: Monster on the Loose! There are a few from TLW. The Raptors Appear is another one. 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's OK. Jurassic Shark and Hristo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 32 minutes ago, Smeltington said: It's one of his most savage pieces I can think of, along with the track "The Temple of Doom". There aren't many I'd put in that category. That's interesting - I find it to be among the least savage action cues in TLW. Just took a listen to it so that my reactions would be totally fresh and not based off of my memory of the cue. Yep, I wish it weren't so repetitive. Other than a brief section in the second half, it's pretty much all built on similar repetitions of the same theme. I like the writing, but it overstays its welcome for me. I'd rather listen to literally any of the other drum-groove-based action cues from this exceptional score. Hristo and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Datameister said: That's interesting - I find it to be among the least savage action cues in TLW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Smeltington said: Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,323 Posted February 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2021 There's nothing more savage than those nasty brass licks that open Monster on the Loose! Falstaft, Muad'Dib and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Pretty hard to beat, @Jay! There's a lot of savage writing in this score but that may take the cake for me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 They're primal! Elemental! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 Yeah, that one's great. Someone should make a poll about it! Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I can only imagine what it would be like to hear that cue live in a concert setting! It sure would shut up people who like to talk during film music concerts! Jurassic Shark and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 I wonder what @Thor thinks about that intro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 He's probably never heard it before Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 Now he has the chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted February 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2021 27 minutes ago, Jay said: There's nothing more savage than those nasty brass licks that open Monster on the Loose! Zimmer and a hundred trailer composers made a career out of that. Jurassic Shark, Edmilson, Brando and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 57 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I wonder what @Thor thinks about that intro! I've seen the film some 30 times, but I've never listened to the expanded version. Pretty neat intro -- very "Ifukube". Of course, the remainder of the cue seems to be on the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Nope, the entire cue is not on the OST at all. There is a portion of the cue (0:50-1:11) that is similar to a portion (2:08-2:26) of "A Neighborhood Visitor", a cue JW put inside the OST track called "Visitor In San Diego", which could explain why you thought that. In the final film, Spielberg elected not to use the nasty brass snarls that open the cue as intended by JW, only fading the music in later in the scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jay said: There is a portion of the cue (0:50-1:11) that is similar to a portion of "A Neighborhood Visitor", a cue JW put inside the OST track called "Visitor In San Diego", which could explain why you thought that. Yes, that's probably it. I know very little about such things; I just recognized the music that appeared at that timeframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Terrible cue from the horrible soundtrack. (Except the main theme, it is neat) Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 The film does not have a main title cue Do you mean the end credits? (the first track on the CD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,398 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Anybody else is a fan of Visitor in San Diego? It's on my top 5 action cues by Williams, maybe top 3. Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 It's one of my highlights from the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 It's one of my favorite action tracks from the entire history of film scoring Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: Anybody else is a fan of Visitor in San Diego? It's on my top 5 action cues by Williams, maybe top 3. It's flipping awesome. Among the score's many, many highlights, it's definitely up there for me. Jurassic Shark and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 The real tough question is which is better between "T-Rex Rescue and Finale" and "Visitor In San Diego" I feel I love them both so damn much, I can't decide. Two of my favorite action finale tracks from any score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jay said: The real tough question is which is better between "T-Rex Rescue and Finale" and "Visitor In San Diego" I feel I love them both so damn much, I can't decide. Two of my favorite action finale tracks from any score That IS tough. The first one is a master class in building and releasing tension, in following the onscreen action without unnecessary mickey mousing, in continually introducing cool new musical ideas, and in getting the pulse pounding without fatiguing the ears. The second one is just so friggin' cool. The middle part - the more conventional Williams 90s action music - is good, but where it really shines is in the first cue ("A Neighborhood Visitor") and in the last stretch with the percussion. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 On 2/17/2021 at 6:33 PM, Jay said: The real tough question is which is better between "T-Rex Rescue and Finale" and "Visitor In San Diego" I feel I love them both so damn much, I can't decide. Two of my favorite action finale tracks from any score Poll it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oierem 151 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 On 2/16/2021 at 8:32 PM, Thor said: Probably, yeah. Alternatively, I would have sampled the LLL (which I sometimes do), and agreed that 'yes, that is a great cue' and then just moved back to my ol' OST. This mentality is really unique.. and fascinating, I have to say. On the other hand, it could be said that obsessing about 5-second inserts being unreleased, or about film takes being slightly different is also unique and fascinating, and here we are lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jilal 569 Posted December 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2021 I'm totally with @Jay and the other 90.57% here. I've been returning to The Hunt/The Round Up a couple of times this week and eventually stumbled upon this thread. What I like most are the killer theme written specifically for this cue alone (reminds me of The Asteroid Field) and the badass rhythmic stuff underpinning it throughout (note the very Goldsmith-y changing meter in particular). Of course, the exotic percussion is a lot of fun. Also very cool are the bridges (not sure if this is acceptable terminology) at 0:11 and 0:58 (I especially love the clusters in the horn section) and the smaller one at 0:43 (there's something in the harmony that always gets me). The militaristic motif at 1:45 is really neat too, it's clearly reminiscent of other militaristic writing by John, but the changing meter freshens it up a little. Time stamps refer to this video. All in all, The Hunt is a heavily rhythm-based cue, but it is held together by the presence of an awesome theme. I'd definitely rank it among John's greatest ever cues for action sequences. Will, GerateWohl, crumbs and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 It's certainly one of the greatest unused action cues of his career, if not the greatest. Fifty Miles of Desert (The Car Chase) wouldn't be far behind. Interesting how both share musical DNA through their aggressive rhythm and focus on percussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 12 hours ago, crumbs said: It's certainly one of the greatest unused action cues of his career, if not the greatest. Fifty Miles of Desert (The Car Chase) wouldn't be far behind. Interesting how both share musical DNA through their aggressive rhythm and focus on percussion. What's The Car Chase? Got a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, artguy360 said: What's The Car Chase? Got a link? https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34146-restored-isolated-score-the-eiger-sanction/ artguy360 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 No, not really overrated. I mean, I was kinda disappointed about the score in 1997, because it didn't have the awe and wonder of no. 1, but I had been prepared for the new sound through a blurb in FSM prior to its release, which described it as "Stravinsky-like". I've eventually come to embrace it, and "The Hunt" is a fantastic track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted December 18, 2021 Author Share Posted December 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Thor said: I had been prepared for the new sound through a blurb in FSM prior to its release, which described it as "Stravinsky-like". Just like Star Wars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,344 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 What I didn't like about it on the original album was, that it faded in and faded out. I wished it had a proper ending and beginning. It is slightly better on the LLL version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted December 18, 2021 Author Share Posted December 18, 2021 The fading is definitely overrated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 The main melody is doing its job and not particularly memorable, but next to 'Black Sunday' and some of the 'Total Recall'-ian moments in Episode 7 it's Williams' most Goldsmith-ian action music in its daring meter changes and due to the many orchestral embellishments (contrary to JG's stripped-down 90's stuff), it's also a more interesting take on this kind of action writing. It's a great cue, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2021 I don't really think an action cue has to have a memorable melody, it's more how the action motif gets used that makes it stand out. "Quidditch, Third Year" comes to mind as a great example. The motif itself isn't really catchy, just a standard Dies Israe device, but the way he develops it with those fugato sections is so energetic and addictive. I love it. Edmilson, Joni Wiljami, ragoz350 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Of course it mustn't, but The Hunt posits one very centrally, and i find it appropriate but not particularly great or outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,676 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 It's a perfectly good piece of music but I find it rather ineffective in the scene. And don't forget - why would SS have tracked music into the scene if he didn't have some sort of similar thought? I think the film construct is, in context, way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 The Hunt is great kinetic fun. The brash is powerful in a way that is different than the percussion-led action music that dominates the rest of the score (that stuff is great too). I miss this era of JW action music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,398 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, artguy360 said: I miss this era of JW action music. Me too. I love JW's action writing from the late 90s/early 2000s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,640 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 I looked back on the first page of the thread and saw my angry comments from a year ago--that must have been around the time I gave up barbiturates. Also, The Hunt is very good, but it would not make my top 25 Williams cues. Neither over or under, I will call it "rated." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Tom said: I looked back on the first page of the thread and saw my angry comments from a year ago--that must have been around the time I gave up barbiturates. Listening to HanZ can indeed make one angry. Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Woods 555 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 On 18/12/2021 at 4:50 PM, Richard Penna said: It's a perfectly good piece of music but I find it rather ineffective in the scene. And don't forget - why would SS have tracked music into the scene if he didn't have some sort of similar thought? I think the film construct is, in context, way better. Spielberg tracked in other music because he really liked the new Lost World theme Williams came up with and thought it would work better in the scene than the original cue Williams wrote. -Erik- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Is THE HUNT overrated? Hell, no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,676 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 It's a nice track... just a bit odd in context if you watch the film then find the track on the album and wonder what on earth you're hearing. An experience I was introduced to in deep-end fashion with the Potter and LotR OSTs back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 I really like it, but I have an irrational dislike of the fade in/out on the OST and LLL set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted December 20, 2021 Author Share Posted December 20, 2021 Tradition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 On 16/02/2021 at 2:33 PM, Jay said: There's nothing more savage than those nasty brass licks that open Monster on the Loose! Sounds like the T-Rex is farting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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