Danny Elfman's DOCTOR STRANGE IN THE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS (2022)

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429]

I really love his Ant-Man movies and would prefer him to continue after the third one, instead of moving to Fantastic 4 which could offer a nice opening to Krasinski

[Jaaaackified 81]

1 minute ago, May the Force be with You said:

I really love his Ant-Man movies and would prefer him to continue after the third one, instead of moving to Fantastic 4 which could offer a nice opening to Krasinski

 

Well since Krasinski is now in the discussion then why not Marco Beltrami

 

not saying his previous effort on F4 is great but he seems to know what John Krasinski wants musically

[Tallguy 3,379]

8 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said:

No matter who composes it, I'm sure Fantastic Four will sound like every other MCU score. 

 

Because Winter Soldier sounds JUST like Iron Man which sounds JUST like Ant-Man and Doctor Strange?

 

The MCU has some musical missteps, but they hardly sound alike.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I'm actually kind of a fan of Jackman's work in the Captain America series (including Falcon/WS), not in a way where I listen to it much on its own, but there are some sequences where I think Jackman's work is cool as heck in context, especially in Winter Soldier (the movie).

[Tallguy 3,379]

6 minutes ago, Stu said:

I'm actually kind of a fan of Jackman's work in the Captain America series (including Falcon/WS), not in a way where I listen to it much on its own, but there are some sequences where I think Jackman's work is cool as heck in context, especially in Winter Soldier (the movie).

 

That's about right. It's right up there with (for me) Silvestri's Infinity War. I don't ever listen to it on it's own but when I see the movie I realize that this is just perfect scoring.

 

The track Winter Soldier did come up on Spotify the other day. I always skip it when I listen to the score. But it really is an evocative track.

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429]

Jackman surely succeed to build up a very nice things around Captain America and this despite coming after the really good Silvestri's score. It's funny how much I never really want to revisit his score but every time I've watched The Winter Soldier I've been like "this score was a true blast". I guess it's among those score that are great in the movie but average outside of it.

[JNHFan2000 2,944]

For me the thing that makes The Winter Soldier's score so great is the screaming theme for The Winter Soldier. It makes the character so incredibly cool and a lot more menacing. It's really brilliant. It's not easy listening on it's own, but the score has some amazing moments.

 

As does Civil War. I think the airport fight and final battle are both scored very well. I really like both scores.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

1 hour ago, Tallguy said:

 

Because Winter Soldier sounds JUST like Iron Man which sounds JUST like Ant-Man and Doctor Strange?

 

The MCU has some musical missteps, but they hardly sound alike.

They're alike in boredom

[Brónach 1,301]

5 hours ago, Jaaaackified said:

 

Well since Krasinski is now in the discussion then why not Marco Beltrami

 

not saying his previous effort on F4 is great but he seems to know what John Krasinski wants musically

 

he scored my favourite superhero movie so i can't say no

 

what about natalie holt

[Tallguy 3,379]

1 hour ago, Brónach said:

what about natalie holt

 

Since she's on the board we should just ask her!

 

* Disclaimer: This is in reference to a joke in another thread. We are fairly certain Natalie Holt is NOT on this message board. We apologize for any "humor" this may have caused.

[HunterTech 987]

I appreciate all this MCU Jackman talk (even if I think CW is honestly very disappointing and I haven't gotten to hear F&TWS yet). TWS is not a score I revisit often, but I absolutely admire its display of creativity with a developed soundscape that most other RCP scores tend to lack even now.

 

About FF: I am one of the odd few to prefer Beltrami's efforts for the franchise than Ottman (even if I gravitate towards the latter as a composer more (I do prefer his FF theme by itself)), so I wouldn't mind him taking another stab at the property with the proper creative control that wasn't afforded with the 2015 film.

[Edmilson 7,394]

I like Jackman's End Titles for Winter Soldier (Civil War's is great too), but overall I'm not really impressed by either score. 

[crocodile 7,988]

Jackman has done better work elsewhere. Both Jumanji scores are quite good, there's some good stuff in his Kong score too. And his take on Silvestri in The Predator is particularly solid as well and, quite honestly, more interesting musically than any of the other sequel in the series. At the very least it doesn't rehash the same material verbatim over and over again with ever so slightly changed orchestrations. He actually does something with it which is nice.

 

Karol

[Disco Stu 15,495]

2 minutes ago, crocodile said:

Both Jumanji scores are quite good, there's some good stuff in his Kong score too

 

I agree these are all among his best and better than his MCU scores.  I just quite enjoy specific sequences in the MCU ones that I think he did a particularly good job on.

[crocodile 7,988]

2 minutes ago, Stu said:

 

I agree these are all among his best and better than his MCU scores.  I just quite enjoy specific sequences in the MCU ones that I think he did a particularly good job on.

I like some bits of that too. Like the prologue from Civil War etc.

 

Karol

[Bayesian 1,359]

12 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said:

Nice to see DE getting quoted in a national newspaper… Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness composer reveals ‘last second’ change made to key scene

I'll never forgive Kevin Feige for cursing moviegoers and poisoning the Hollywood machine with the interminable MCU... but his awareness of Bach and Beethoven and his insistence on using them in a Marvel movie does go a considerable distance in redeeming him AFAIC.

 

I remember I took a fair bit of pleasure in the first Iron Man when Jeff Bridges' character tells Stark that his arc reactor was his Ninth Symphony. Now we have "Lethal Symphonies" in the Strange vs. Strange smackdown. These two high points may have been 14 years apart, but I'll take 'em where I can get 'em.

 

[JNHFan2000 2,944]

2 hours ago, Brónach said:

 

he scored my favourite superhero movie so i can't say no

Which film is that?

Logan?

[crocodile 7,988]

I imagine Hellboy?

 

Karol

[mstrox 6,647]

Sure hope he’s not talking about Jonah Hex

[Edmilson 7,394]

Or Fant4stic.

[bruce marshall 1,315]

Sirius/XM movie program played a few clips tonite.

I like it!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Variety interview with Elfman about the score

 

https://variety.com/2022/music/news/danny-elfman-doctor-strange-composer-score-interview-music-sam-raimi-1235266421/amp/

[Brónach 1,301]

22 hours ago, crocodile said:

I imagine Hellboy?

 

Karol

Hellboy!

 

another one i like but not scored by him is The Suicide Squad

[D_A_R_T_H 24]

At the risk of shocking you, I find that what Elfman does is insipid and totally interchangeable. We are very far from the score of the first Doctor Strange...

[Edmilson 7,394]

Elfman's score and Raimi's directing are so much better than what this movie deserves.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

On 15/05/2022 at 10:01 AM, D_A_R_T_H said:

At the risk of shocking you, I find that what Elfman does is insipid and totally interchangeable. We are very far from the score of the first Doctor Strange...

Nah

[Gustavo Joseph 29]

I'm an Elfman fan, but he was so keen on keeping original themes for characters in Justice League, using music composed for other incarnations and timelines, and now uses Doctor Strange's MCU theme only as brief cameos and creates a new theme for him. Inconsistent IMHO (but a good theme, and a good score). 

[HunterTech 987]

So I checked Apple Music NZ on a VPN, and I don't see any new listing or an update to the existing album. So either it's like Morbius where it'll pop up by the end of the day, or this is gonna end up being yet another Ant Man situation where the extra tracks are LP only.

[crocodile 7,988]

It's still Thursday in NZ...

 

Karol

[HunterTech 987]

When you're in a group with various time zones, it's easy to get mixed up.

 

Of course, I could've also just checked the world clock on my phone, now that I remember it exists. 

 

So 4 hours left then.........

[JNHFan2000 2,944]

Indeed, for me, in Europe, when it's 2pm here it's Friday in NZ

[JNHFan2000 2,944]

https://music.apple.com/nz/album/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness/1624853117

 

3 extra tracks.

Illuminati Vs. Wanda

Illumanti

Wanda At Home

 

These incude the statements to WandaVision, Captain America & X-Men.

 

Makes sense that they released this 2 week later because of spoilers

[crocodile 7,988]

So 6 extra minutes. @Thor shall weep.

 

Karol

[DangerMotif 1,037]

Illuminati 2:13 ( cap theme sorta and Xmen theme)

Illuminati vs Wanda 2:48 ( prob the best of these 3)

Wanda at Home 1:06 (the opening with the the Wandavision theme mixed with her elfman theme

 

Kinda silly that they didn't just release these to begin with

[crocodile 7,988]

Now we just need to wait and see whether it will come up on all the lossless download stores tomorrow...

 

Karol

[DemonStar 57]

Looks like the lossless download is going to be available on Qobuz tomorrow.

 

https://www.qobuz.com/au-en/album/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-danny-elfman/crqnm01grzxha

[crocodile 7,988]

Ah that answers my question then.

 

Karol

[Alex 2,833]

Well "Illuminati vs Wanda" is certainly the most interesting extra track.

[crocodile 7,988]

I would say Wanda at Home is my favourite addition. But all three are great to have. In fact they are essential to have due to some great thematic development. 

 

Karol

[JNHFan2000 2,944]

On 05/05/2022 at 5:38 PM, JNHFan2000 said:

I've made a chronological order of the score:

 

1. On The Run (extended in film)
2. Strange Awakens
3. Are You Happy (I think it's not used in the film) but I thought this was the best part for it)
4. Gargantos (Extended in film)
5. Wanda At Home
6. The Apple Orchard
7. Battle Time (Extended in film & I believe the statement of Giacchino's theme at 2:03 is not heard in the film)
8. Not A Monster
9. Discovering America
10. Strange Statue
11. A Cup Of Tea
12. Home?
13. Forbidden Ground
14. Illuminati
15. Journey With Wong
16. Tribunal
17. Illuminati Vs. Wanda
18. They're Not Coming Back
19. The Decision Is Made
20. Grab My Hand
21. Buying Time
22. Book Of Vishanti
23. Looking For Strange
24. Strange Talk
25. Lethal Symphonies
26. Getting Through
27. Only Way
28. Trust Your Power
29. They'll Be Loved
30. Farewell
31. An Interesting Question
32. Main Titles
33. An Unexpected Visitor
34. Multiverse Of Madness

 

I couldn't figure this one out.

- Stranger Things Will Happen

 

Stranger Things Will Happen might be a theme suite, but I'm not sure. I wasn't able to recognize the piano part from the beginning in the film.

 

I've added the new tracks to the chronological order.

[crocodile 7,988]

15 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said:

 

I've added the new tracks to the chronological order.

I followed your chronological playlist but used Stranger Things Will Happen as an overture. It does indeed seem to work as a Doctor Strange theme suite and works best as the first track. Otherwise, the actual opening of the score, as heard in the film, feels bit abrupt away from the film. 

 

I also have the OST version playlist although decided to insert Wanda at Home before The Apple Orchard and Illuminati before the Tribunal. It's an odd sequencing, this official album.

 

Overall, I am rather fond of the score. Not Elfman's finest hour by any means but there's quite enough strong material for me to like. Might create yet another list that's bit shorter.

 

Karol

[crocodile 7,988]

OK. @JNHFan2000this is the actual chronological order:

 

1. On The Run
2. Strange Awakens
3. Are You Happy
4. Gargantos
5. Wanda At Home
6. The Apple Orchard
7. Battle Time
8. Not A Monster
9. Discovering America
10. Strange Statue
11. A Cup Of Tea
12. Home?
13. Forbidden Ground
14. Illuminati
15. Journey With Wong
16. Tribunal
17. Illuminati Vs. Wanda
18. They're Not Coming Back
19. The Decision Is Made
20. Grab My Hand
21. Buying Time
22. Book Of Vishanti
23. Looking For Strange
24. Strange Talk
25. Lethal Symphonies
26. Getting Through
27. Only Way
28. Trust Your Power
29. They'll Be Loved
30. Farewell
31. An Interesting Question
32. Main Titles
33. An Unexpected Visitor
34. Multiverse Of Madness
35. Stranger Things Will Happen (bonus track)

As you can see, not much has changed. Journey With Wong is the only track that was in the wrong place. The title is misleading:

Spoiler

The string glissandi in the beginning underscores Strange's reaction to the revelation from Xavier that there's more to their Strange's death. And then we transition to the Mount Wundagore temple scene in which Scarlet Witch talks to Wong about her reason's to take America's power and then she re-possesses the body of the other Wanda and leaves the house to confront the Illuminati.

 

And you're right, Stranger Things Will Happen doesn't actually appear in the film. Is it some sort of suite or alternate end credits piece or something? Hard to say. Anyway, it's nice to have because you can use it, or, alternatively, Multiverse of Madness, as an overture. I can't quite decide which one works better for me. 

 

Karol

[1977 1,743]

Anyone seen this for purchase on iTunes yet? I don't have access to my PC to check.

[crocodile 7,988]

It is on the UK one. And everywhere else also as well:

 

 

Karol

[JNHFan2000 2,944]

5 hours ago, crocodile said:

As you can see, not much has changed. Journey With Wong is the only track that was in the wrong place. The title is misleading:

You're right.

 

Weird, I put it in my own playlist at the correct place. But not here

[crocodile 7,988]

It's funny they decided to include Discovering America but not the more important flashback cue taking place not long after.

 

Karol

[mstrox 6,647]

59 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said:

Anyone seen this for purchase on iTunes yet? I don't have access to my PC to check.

If you’re in the US, it’s there.  I bought it on Friday.

[DangerMotif 1,037]

America Chavez???

[crocodile 7,988]

Haha interesting.

 

Karol

[Edmilson 7,394]

Just listened to the album in chronological order. It works great! I really prefer "Multiverse of Madness" and "Stranger Things Will Happen" at the end, acting like an end titles suite.

 

Also, it helped a lot reading Jon Broxton's review while I'm listening to it. Now that I know the context of the music, I can better appreciate it.