jojoju2000 20 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 It's true ! On Wikipedia, it shows all of John's movies that he worked on, and not one of them invovles Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola. It's a shame. I can think of many Scorsese movies that would have worked with John's Musical style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojoju2000 20 Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 I'm just saying that there could have been some amazing scores had Williams found the time in his very very busy career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Why not? Am I remembering wrong, or did John actually score the Tucker movie only to have the score rejected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojoju2000 20 Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 Well there was the " Hugo " Movie in 2011 which Scorsese directed, and the topic is up Williams's Alley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2021 What a wasted career. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Bespin, Bayesian and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Scorsese and John Williams... NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojoju2000 20 Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 Just now, Bespin said: Scorsese and John Williams... NO. Hugo would have been perfect for Williams. Bryant Burnette and igger6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojoju2000 20 Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 Sorry ? I mean.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,242 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, SteveMc said: Am I remembering wrong, or did John actually score the Tucker movie only to have the score rejected? He was initially involved in the project, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Their loss. Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Bryant Burnette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Bespin said: NO. You are a prick. 3 hours ago, jojoju2000 said: Hugo would have been perfect for Williams. Worked out pretty well as is, but Williams would have done something great too, I bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Didn't he score the film DeNiro is watching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Williams on Hugo it's a no for me. Unless the movie would have come one year earlier or two years after. 2011 is one of Williams best year with War Horse and Tintin I wouldn't have bear for any of those to loose of their perfection to benefit Hugo score which is already by the way great. 6 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Their loss. Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,474 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Williams and Scorsese is not really a good match, even for the few films where Scorsese has used a considerable amount of original score. Maybe early 70s Williams, but not after that. Coppola has had a few more films with appropriate canvases for Williams (something like the much-despised JACK, for example), but not a lot. Of the other movie brats outside Spielberg, Williams obviously already worked with De Palma and Lucas. I don't picture post-1975 Williams being particularly suited for guys like Schrader and Bogdanovich either. So perhaps Milius is the only one where the two sentiments could meet, but I would never be without the fine collaborations with Poledouris etc. Wow, that was a very rambling post, but you got the idea. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,903 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 How come Spielberg never worked with Goldsmith? CEOTK would have been perfect for him. The reason is directors get aligned with collaborators they have long standing relationships with rather than project by project. For Scorsese, that was Elmer Bernstein and Howard Shore. Yes, there are exceptions like "Silence" which as far as I can remember had no/very minimal score that served a functional purpose (Spielberg's Color Purple) but in general they aren't shopping for collaborators but still with what worked for them. I actually think Spielberg did work briefly with Goldsmith on Twilight Zone segment but that was an anthology movie so doesn't really count...it wasn't a Spielberg film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,474 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, karelm said: I actually think Spielberg did work briefly with Goldsmith on Twilight Zone segment but that was an anthology movie so doesn't really count...it wasn't a Spielberg film. Well, it was a Spielberg SEGMENT, so I count it as a collab. I count POLTERGEIST too, even though I will get Tobe Hooper fans on my neck. And, I suppose, AMAZING STORIES. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 54 minutes ago, karelm said: How come Spielberg never worked with Goldsmith? CEOTK would have been perfect for him. The first choice was Herrmann, and after his death Williams was asked to step into his shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted February 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 hours ago, karelm said: How come Spielberg never worked with Goldsmith? CEOTK would have been perfect for him. The reason is directors get aligned with collaborators they have long standing relationships with rather than project by project. For Scorsese, that was Elmer Bernstein and Howard Shore. Yes, there are exceptions like "Silence" which as far as I can remember had no/very minimal score that served a functional purpose (Spielberg's Color Purple) but in general they aren't shopping for collaborators but still with what worked for them. I actually think Spielberg did work briefly with Goldsmith on Twilight Zone segment but that was an anthology movie so doesn't really count...it wasn't a Spielberg film. Goldsmith and Spielberg collaborated very closely on Poltergeist, as Steven supervised the whole postproduction with Frank Marshall (Hooper wasn’t involved in postproduction). By contrast, Spielberg didn’t oversee the scoring process of Twilight Zone The Movie, which was left in the hands of Joe Dante. I wouldn’t dare to compare Spielberg’s use of music in The Color Purple with Scorsese’s in Silence—two radically different approaches. Quincy Jones et al. scored the film really in a very traditional Hollywood way, with lots of music from top to bottom and even a couple of sequences almost akin to musical, while Scorsese’s film has very few score and it’s mostly atmospheric. 1 hour ago, Fabulin said: The first choice was Herrmann, and after his death Williams was asked to step into his shoes. False. Spielberg and Williams started working on CE3K immediately after Jaws. Miguel Andrade, Ricard and karelm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 15 hours ago, jojoju2000 said: Well there was the " Hugo " Movie in 2011 which Scorsese directed, and the topic is up Williams's Alley. Hugo already has a fantastic score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sandor 796 Posted February 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2021 If Williams had never worked with Oliver Stone, I’m sure the same people stating a collaboration with Scorsese would not work, would say the same about Williams working with Stone. Brundlefly, Muad'Dib, Once and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 hour ago, TownerFan said: False. Spielberg and Williams started working on CE3K immediately after Jaws. Spielberg was present on the Taxi Driver recording sessions on the 22nd or 23rd of December 1975 Quote Spielberg told the composer how greatly he admired his music, to which Herrmann snarled in mock anger, "Yeah? Well, if ya admire my music so much, why do ya always use Johnny Williams for your pictures?" (Steven C. Smith, A Heart at Fire's Center... 1991) I recall also a mention somewhere that "Spielberg approached Herrmann in late 1975 to ask him to work on "his next film", to which Herrmann agreed". Since Herrmann arrived in California first on Dec 20th 1975 (Steven C. Smith, ibidem) it couldn't have taken place earlier, especially considering the exchange above, which suggests that the two have not met before. Spielberg's next film was CE3K. And then I recall a following mention of the genesis of the CE3K SS-JW collaboration - that Spielberg came to Fox and specifically asked Williams whether he would be be so kind to write a score that Herrmann was supposed to do, and Williams replied that it would be an honour. So... are these false now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 It’s well known that Spielberg attended one Taxi Driver scoring session, and that famous conversation he had with ol’ Benny (which is amusing, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s one of those “print the legend” anecdotes). I’ll check Smith’s biography if there are any mention of Steven talking about CE3K with Herrmann, but from memory I don’t seem to remember any. Btw, in Mike Matessino’s liner notes for the 40th anniversary release, it’s stated that Spielberg and Williams started discussing CE3K in “late 1975” when Jaws was still in theaters. Of course it’s entirely possible that Spielberg might have thought of asking Herrmann before offering the film to JW, but it seems extremely unlikely and there are no confirmed records anywhere besides some possibly apocryphal stories. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Herrmann and ' apocrypha' seem to go together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 You know, I never worked with Martin Scorsese or Francis Ford Coppola too. I got over it! The Illustrious Jerry and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted February 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2021 I, for one, would have loved to hear what a Williams-Scorsese collaboration would have sounded like. I'm sure Marty would've pushed Johnny out of his comfort zone, with great results. Once, GerateWohl, Ricard and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Scorsese would have rejected his score and replaced it with Elmer Bernstein😉 8 hours ago, Bespin said: You know, I never worked with Martin Scorsese or Francis Ford Coppola too. I got over it! I visited American Zoetrope offices as a messenger in 1979. I picked up a package of complimentary tickets for the premiere of APOCALYPSE NOW- I took two for myself 😝 True story! ( thankfully LeBlanc wasn't around then😅) Bespin and Martinland 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 15 hours ago, karelm said: I actually think Spielberg did work briefly with Goldsmith on Twilight Zone segment but that was an anthology movie so doesn't really count...it wasn't a Spielberg film. During the early to mid-80's, Goldsmith and Spielberg were rather close. There are numerous stories not only of Goldsmith working on movies close to the SS fold, but also Spielberg spending a depressed Oscar night 1983 at JG's home after losing out on E. T. and Goldsmith pointing SS to Secret of NIMH, enabling the SS/Bluth collaboration (and, ironically, having to decline An American Tail due to schedule stress). With the Bluth connection severed, there probably was not much common ground, i heavily doubt Spielberg ever considered to exchange JW for someone else and Goldsmith didn't harbor much interest in Amblin's line-up (he was attached to Goonies for a short while, it seems). TownerFan and karelm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Well, I recall Spielberg was suppossed to direct the remake of The Haunting which ended up scored by Goldsmith. I'm pretty sure Spielberg pushed for Jerry for the gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 On 2/27/2021 at 8:56 PM, SteveMc said: Why not? Am I remembering wrong, or did John actually score the Tucker movie only to have the score rejected? John has never had a rejected score in his career. Darth Mulder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,474 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, ymenard said: John has never had a rejected score in his career. Except for that Ann-Margret film that Previn and Williams talked about in their conversation. But no one has been able to verify that piece of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 On a related note, I would have loved for a Tarantino-Williams collaboration. Imagine Quentin asking Johnny to go full 60's.... ahhh, could be delicious. Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Darth Mulder 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 17 hours ago, Muad'Dib said: Well, I recall Spielberg was suppossed to direct the remake of The Haunting which ended up scored by Goldsmith. I'm pretty sure Spielberg pushed for Jerry for the gig. Spielberg *did* direct some reshoots for that, or so i recall. And made it worse - the whole Lily-Taylor-carried-by-angels rubbish was Spielberg's idea. Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mulder 153 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 On 3/1/2021 at 3:47 PM, Muad'Dib said: On a related note, I would have loved for a Tarantino-Williams collaboration. Imagine Quentin asking Johnny to go full 60's.... ahhh, could be delicious. How much Tarantino adore Williams? Did he ever mention him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 I remember reading something about his earlier scores, like Eiger Sanction? Seems right up Tarantino's alley, I'm awaiting an appearance of those older Williams works in a future Tarantino picture, like a random cue from Earthquake or something like that. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Thinking about it. Gangs of New York is probably the Scorsese film I’d most like to have heard a JW score from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,504 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 On 3/1/2021 at 11:57 AM, Muad'Dib said: Well, I recall Spielberg was supposed to direct the remake of The Haunting... You might be mistaking this for an early "haunted house" concept for TLC. On 3/1/2021 at 11:57 AM, Muad'Dib said: I'm pretty sure Spielberg pushed for Jerry for the gig. Bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Tarantino Williams should never happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,474 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 I would love for Tarantino to use some Williams in one of his last films. As others have said, I can easily see stuff like THE FURY or EARTHQUAKE or whatever add to a Tarantino shoot-out or coolness scene. But it's not gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 22 hours ago, Bilbo said: Thinking about it. Gangs of New York is probably the Scorsese film I’d most like to have heard a JW score from. I think FAR AND AWAY was enough Irish for him. 😊 Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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