Alejandro 26 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Hello Everyone, I’m a high school history teacher, and of course I pretty much only show films in class with Williams’ music. We are watching clips from JFK and Nixon now, and I was wondering where I can find the music that accompanies Oswald being shot (so I can overlap it onto the actual footage). I know the JFK album is pretty incomplete. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 There's a breakdown of every cue heard in the film, and whether it's available on the OST, here: http://www.jwfan.com/?p=3862 I'm not familiar with the film or where the scene you're looking for is located. But if you're familiar with the movie you should be able to work out whether that music was on the OST, using the breakdown above. Unfortunately, if it's not on the OST, it hasn't been released anywhere else. Incidentally, one of the boutique music labels (La-La Land Records) were planning an expanded release of JW's score to JFK as far back as 2017, but it's never seen the light of day (so presumably some complex licensing issues stalled its release). Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 It's a conspiracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 13 hours ago, Alejandro said: Hello Everyone, I’m a high school history teacher, and of course I pretty much only show films in class with Williams’ music. We are watching clips from JFK and Nixon now, and I was wondering where I can find the music that accompanies Oswald being shot (so I can overlap it onto the actual footage). I know the JFK album is pretty incomplete. Thank you. Glad to know you are using those as teaching tools. Despite the whining and crying by ' historians" these films give an much more honest version of events Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Trumpeteer 302 Posted March 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2021 The music for this scene comes from "Garrison's Obsession," track 6 on the official CD release. The music comes from 1:20-1:59. The music underscores Oswald being questioned by police, ushered out of police headquarters to the throng of reporters where Jack Ruby is waiting and builds to the gunshot. After that, there is no music as Oswald falls to the ground. Naïve Old Fart, Taikomochi, BrotherSound and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Good work @Trumpeteer! JFK is an all-time top 10 JW score, for me, so any rerelease is welcome. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 It also must be noted that a lot of the music as heard in the film is the result of Stone and the editors using cues in piecemeal fashion, much like as it was found music than actual score, so it might be hard to sync up the piece to the footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 I revisited this score not long ago and aside from having to skip dumb source tracks, I'm satisfied with what we've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 17 hours ago, TownerFan said: It also must be noted that a lot of the music as heard in the film is the result of Stone and the editors using cues in piecemeal fashion, much like as it was found music than actual score, so it might be hard to sync up the piece to the footage. So it's just like Rise of Skywalker Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 On 3/11/2021 at 8:05 PM, Trumpeteer said: The music for this scene comes from "Garrison's Obsession," track 6 on the official CD release. The music comes from 1:20-1:59. 18 hours ago, TownerFan said: It also must be noted that a lot of the music as heard in the film is the result of Stone and the editors using cues in piecemeal fashion, much like as it was found music than actual score, so it might be hard to sync up the piece to the footage. The entirety of the Garrison’s Obsession track is a cue of the same name. Like several JFK cues, and contrary to Williams’ usual practice, it’s what’s called a “wild” cue, meaning it wasn’t written to precisely sync with any specific footage, and so lacks a slate (1M2, 3M5, etc.). Usually only pieces intended as album-only arrangements won’t have a slate, but it seems the intention here was always that they would be edited into the film in some fashion. There’s an OST breakdown and complete cue list here: crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 4 hours ago, The Big Man said: I revisited this score not long ago and aside from having to skip dumb source tracks, I'm satisfied with what we've got. Right. Unless there is a great unused piece, like the " Ballroom Dance" from EASTWICK. Otherwise not sure what can be added. Love the score, so if there's more, bring it on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just to clear up and clarify some points being made here in this topic: John Williams was asked by Oliver Stone to write a score for "JFK," which Williams quickly accepted. However, Williams was very busy with Steven Spielberg's "Hook," which at the time was being discussed as an original musical. Both films were set for a fall/winter 1991 release, and the timelines for scoring both projects created a conflict. After "Hook" officially became a nonmusical, Williams had a little time to work on the "JFK" score. He visited Stone on the New Orleans set to talk about some ideas, and visited Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy was shot. After that, he wrote music to fit scenes as written in the script and concepts of the film. Stone and Williams agreed that the music would be recorded almost as concert suites, with Stone and music editor Ken Wannberg fitting the music into the film where needed. The only scene that seems to precisely fit the score and visuals is the team examining David Ferrie's home after his apparent suicide. The music for that scene doesn't appear anywhere else, and likely Williams was able to write music for that specific scene after Stone presented a rough cut. If you never heard the soundtrack album, and you didn't know the story, you would think Williams composed the score pretty much in his usual fashion. I didn't know the back story of the composing technique until about 2005, and it offered a different perspective on the score but did not detract from the "enjoyment" of it. I discuss many of these points with Brian Martell in my "JFK" epsiode of my podcast: bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Trumpeteer said: John Williams was asked by Oliver Stone to write a score for "JFK," which Williams quickly accepted. However, Williams was very busy with Steven Spielberg's "Hook," which at the time was being discussed as an original musical. Both films were set for a fall/winter 1991 release, and the timelines for scoring both projects created a conflict. After "Hook" officially became a nonmusical, Williams had a little time to work on the "JFK" score. He visited Stone on the New Orleans set to talk about some ideas, and visited Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy was shot. After that, he wrote music to fit scenes as written in the script and concepts of the film. Stone and Williams agreed that the music would be recorded almost as concert suites, with Stone and music editor Ken Wannberg fitting the music into the film where needed. The only scene that seems to precisely fit the score and visuals is the team examining David Ferrie's home after his apparent suicide. The music for that scene doesn't appear anywhere else, and likely Williams was able to write music for that specific scene after Stone presented a rough cut. This is all true, except that eventually, he did write a bunch of cues to specific edited footage: Check out this list here. All the stuff with XMX numbering was written to specific footage, while the unnumbered cues after are the ones he wrote as you described Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/14/2021 at 7:16 AM, bruce marshall said: ...the "Ballroom Dance" from EASTWICK. That's THE BALLROOM SCENE. Sorry Bruce, but if you are going to go around quoting cue titles from THE WITCHES OF EASTWICK, then you've got to get it right. It's a beloved score, and I won't have it misrepresented. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I certainly don't want the score broken up into indivdual takes/cues - as they appear in the film- if that is what an ' expanded" version would entail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 On 3/22/2021 at 12:55 PM, Jay said: This is all true, except that eventually, he did write a bunch of cues to specific edited footage: Check out this list here. All the stuff with XMX numbering was written to specific footage, while the unnumbered cues after are the ones he wrote as you described That's interesting about "The Witnesses," because it sounds a little choppy in the film mix, but that could have just been some last-minute editing choices made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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