New Spielberg movie: The Fabelmans (2022)

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

For once a Spielberg score won't affect anything else JW is doing

I don't think Lincoln affected anything (unless JW was really set on scoring Jack Reacher)

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

2 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

 

So there is a bright side to the Indy 5 delay for me at least.....

 

"The Fabelmans pushed back to June 2023"

[Disco Stu 15,495]

33 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said:

I don't think Lincoln affected anything (unless JW was really set on scoring Jack Reacher)

 

By the way, I thought we had an unspoken agreement that we would automatically like any post the other made that mentioned The Post score favorably.  

 

4 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said:

 

"The Fabelmans pushed back to June 2023"

 

Not funny!

[Edmilson 7,376]

38 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said:

unless JW was really set on scoring Jack Reacher)

What? Williams was involved with Jack Reacher? I never knew that!

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

10 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

What? Williams was involved with Jack Reacher? I never knew that!

They asked him but he said no.  

[Jay 37,271]

Not involved, just was offered it but turned it down.

 

IIRC it's mentioned in the booklet of the Jack Reacher OST released by LLL?  Or maybe only the story of Tom Cruise hearing the first recorded cue and asking McQuarrie where he found Kraemer because he hasn't heard a cue that good since Born on the Fourth of July, or something like that

 

 

I can't find the article where he tells the story now, or maybe it was a video interview?  It might have been one of these

 

 

 

 

There was also video online of Kraemer meeting Williams, shaking his hand and thanking him for turning down Jack Reacher, but I can't find that video now either

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I quite enjoyed Kraemer's Reacher score for what it was.  The other Tom Cruise franchise that replaced Kraemer with an RCP alum.

[Edmilson 7,376]

I'm curious to see how Williams would score a movie like JR... maybe it could've been a return to his darker scores from the 1990s like Sleepers and Nixon.

 

But I'm not THAT disappointed because Kraemer's score is pretty good... And another reminder that he should've been doing way more high profile movies!

[mrbellamy 6,270]

10 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said:

I don't think Lincoln affected anything (unless JW was really set on scoring Jack Reacher)

 

The BFG was pretty wide open too

 

And West Side Story didn't affect anything else JW was doing 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Until this morning I hadn't taken note of the fact that this movie is being distributed by Universal.  If JW scores this, God willing, it will be nice that the film they make together about Spielberg's childhood will be made for the studio where they began their historic collaboration.  Anyway, it's Spielberg's first movie for Universal since 2005.

[Thor 7,458]

Yes, but I'd also like there to be at least ONE more collaboration after THE FABELMANS, so it reaches 30 before a possible conclusion. Just to have a nice, round number. Alternatively, we can fill the gap with AMAZING STORIES, THE UNFINISHED JOURNEY, A TIMELESS CALL or some such thing.

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429]

Am I the only one who sometimes which that Williams, in his spare time, rewrite the score of the Spielberg movies he couldn't do?

Not out of disrespect to the other composers but I would love to hear Duel scored by Williams, The Color Purple, The Bridge of Spies and Ready Player One, just to know how it could have sound (and to get more Williams of course)

[A24 4,326]

They would sound more of the same.

[GerateWohl 4,322]

1 hour ago, May the Force be with You said:

Am I the only one who sometimes which that Williams, in his spare time, rewrite the score of the Spielberg movies he couldn't do?

Not out of disrespect to the other composers but I would love to hear Duel scored by Williams, The Color Purple, The Bridge of Spies and Ready Player One, just to know how it could have sound (and to get more Williams of course)

That is something I rather wish for the Star Wars stuff, that Williams didn't do or the Harry Potter movies.

But the mentioned Spielberg score are very ok, therefore no need for a rewrite.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,490]

4 hours ago, May the Force be with You said:

Duel...The Color Purple, Bridge of Spies and Ready Player One...

Every bleeding day, mate!

Also, POLTERGEIST, THE TWILIGHT ZONE, and SOMETHING EVIL.

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429]

4 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

Every bleeding day, mate!

Also, POLTERGEIST, THE TWILIGHT ZONE, and SOMETHING EVIL.

And Alien and the HP sequels

[Disco Stu 15,495]

2 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said:

Alien

 

?

[Naïve Old Fart 9,490]

For a time, JW was in the frame to score ALIEN, but then, so was Tomita, so...wtf?

[A24 4,326]

6 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

For a time, JW was in the frame to score ALIEN, but then, so was Tomita, so...wtf?

 

 

 

Ridley Scott: Hmm ... deep space ... aliens ... synthesizers ... TOMITA!

 

 

 

There's logic in this.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I understand wondering about the Spielberg films he didn't score, but he's been approached and maybe unofficially attached to so many movies over the years at a certain point you're just wondering "what if JW scored every movie?" 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,490]

2 minutes ago, AC1 said:

Ridley Scott: Hmm ... deep space ... aliens ... synthesizers ... TOMITA!

There's logic in this.

There's psychotropic substances, in this 

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429]

13 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

I understand wondering about the Spielberg films he didn't score, but he's been approached and maybe unofficially attached to so many movies over the years at a certain point you're just wondering "what if JW scored every movie?" 

No just that one as a none Spielberg because it's a genre he didn't really do

[Naïve Old Fart 9,490]

He probably didn't do it, for good reason, although we'll never know what the reason is.

 

 

22 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

I understand wondering about the Spielberg films he didn't score, but he's been approached and maybe unofficially attached to so many movies over the years at a certain point you're just wondering "what if JW scored every movie?" 

Some scores are perfect as they are, that I wouldn't want JW to write them.

[A24 4,326]

JW is too Spielbergy for Alien.

[Brónach 1,301]

This movie seems boring on paper.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,490]

3 minutes ago, Brónach said:

This movie seems boring on paper.

 

"Alien gets lost and hooks up with snot-nosed kid, in suburban America".

I'm sure that seemed boring on paper, as well.

Let's wait and see, shall we?

[Edmilson 7,376]

11 minutes ago, Brónach said:

This movie seems boring on paper.

I agree, but I rarely likes these coming of age movies based on the director's childhood. There are some exceptions though, like Boyhood.

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429]

2 hours ago, AC1 said:

JW is too Spielbergy for Alien.

I think you should listen again Images... 

[1977 1,743]

3 hours ago, AC1 said:

JW is too Spielbergy for Alien.

Raptors in the Kitchen and The Abduction of Barry would like to meet you behind the wood shed after school.

[Once 604]

Release date: November 23, 2022!

[Jay 37,271]

Cool!

 

Williams won't write the score until after his returns from Italy then, I guess.  Actually, he might write it while living near Tanglewood in August

[mrbellamy 6,270]

What are the odds he gets it out of the way earlier than that? I feel like Williams often begins soon after Spielberg wraps regardless of release date. 

[Jay 37,271]

True, maybe he's already writing Fabelmans and will record it before his spring concerts, and then write Indy 5 after those...

[TheUlyssesian 2,473]

If Fablemans has wrapped, I think they could get a workable cut to Williams by Feburary. So he could start with that. Indiana Jones he might start end of next year or even early 2023.

[Bespin 8,472]

I don’t know anyone named Fableman.

[JohnnyD 1,220]

1 hour ago, Once said:

Release date: November 23, 2022!

 

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Cool!

 

Williams won't write the score until after his returns from Italy then, I guess.  Actually, he might write it while living near Tanglewood in August

 

1 hour ago, Jay said:

True, maybe he's already writing Fabelmans and will record it before his spring concerts, and then write Indy 5 after those...

Just like Indy 5, this is a film I am already excited to see without having even seen a preview for it.

[mrbellamy 6,270]

I do remember BFG had wrapped in the summer and Williams mentioned he was about to start on it during a TFA interview in December. So he has waited that long in the recent past, but that was also VFX heavy, and also Williams was busy with Star Wars the whole year anyway. So I guess it just depends where the best gaps in his schedule are from now to November. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

1 hour ago, Bespin said:

I don’t know anyone named Fableman.

 

It's a play on the actual Jewish surname of Abelman/Ableman.  I'm guessing because it's about a boy who wants to be a storyteller through film, to tell fables sort of.

 

It always makes me think of the great Coen brothers film A Serious Man, which had a prominent character named Sy Ableman

 

[Bespin 8,472]

I know Feibleman exist for real.

 

My first name is Emanuel, I have nothing against Hebrew names!

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

6 hours ago, Once said:

Release date: November 23, 2022!

Oh no, they're going with that as the final title aren't they?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

39 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said:

Oh no, they're going with that as the final title aren't they?

I’d say I’m 15% more used to it than I was when it was announced.  That leaves a whole year for the next 85%!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Universal has stuck to their guns this year in terms of giving all their movies a traditional theatrical release with a normal exclusivity window before they hit streaming/video, but given the box office performance of West Side Story, and the outlook for "grown-up" movies in general, will The Fabelmans be a "Peacock Original" or whatever?

[crumbs 14,287]

I'd almost guarantee Spielberg has it written into his contract that films need an exclusive theatrical run before appearing on-demand. 

[Edmilson 7,376]

Yeah, no way Spielberg would let the studio premiere his movie straight on streaming.

[Jay 37,271]

Yep

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Spielberg has incredible clout of course, especially given his history at Universal (even UNadjusted for inflation, ET is still in the top 10 highest grossing Universal movies, Jaws in the top 25), but I also can't see them wanting to flush money down the toilet for him.  They could work out a deal like Netflix did with Scorsese to have a much shorter theatrical window and a fairly limited release in terms of theater count before it debuts streaming.

 

I'm not saying I think this is likely, but I bet it's something they discuss!

[A24 4,326]

It's bound to happen, unless Spielberg only wants to make Indiana Jones or Dinosaur movies.

[crumbs 14,287]

There's definitely some traction happening with the score. According to IMDB, there's now two music credits:

 

 

Mark Graham has worked on basically every JW score since The Phantom Menace (although he's only been head of music preparation in the last 10 years). I guess it's worth noting he also does Alan Silvestri's scores but not Thomas Newman's. Either way, the fact he's already involved (and by proxy, JoAnn Kane Music Service) could indicate the score is further along than we expected.

 

Music clearance indicates someone in charge of securing rights for existing music (like source music), which isn't surprising for a film set in this era.

[scallenger 481]

Also, didn't Indiana Jones 5 get pushed to June 2023? Doesn't that create even more space between it and Fablemans now, which is November 2022? Especially since it is done filming, right?

[Brando 1,848]

11 minutes ago, scallenger said:

Also, didn't Indiana Jones 5 get pushed to June 2023? Doesn't that create even more space between it and Fablemans now, which is November 2022? Especially since it is done filming, right?

Correct. Indy V getting pushed back a year might be a blessing in disguise if Williams can score both movies, rather than maybe choosing one over the other.