mstrox 6,651 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 I can’t wait to see more of that monkey!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,478 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 The boy looks like David from A.I., his is mother like a bleached Irina Spalko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 7 hours ago, AC1 said: Just saw the trailer, perhaps a tad too sentimental? Yeah, was expecting something smaller with a more 400 Blows vibe; but guess I'll have to adjust my expectations to what it actually *is*, not what I expected it to be. We'll see. A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, BB-8 said: his is mother like a bleached Irina Spalko. Hair pretty accurate to his real life mom 5 minutes ago, Muad'Dib said: Yeah, was expecting something smaller with a more 400 Blows vibe; but guess I'll have to adjust my expectations to what it actually *is*, not what I expected it to be. We'll see. https://twitter.com/davidlsims/status/1568986703297232896 Muad'Dib and BB-8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KK 3,307 Posted September 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2022 Caught this at TIFF. Spielberg and the cast were there: Spielberg was a class act on stage. The film itself was disappointingly lightweight, though it has some nice moments (the critics seem to be eating it up). Not much of Williams in it, but there is a nice theme for the mother (played by Michelle Willams). Muad'Dib, Andy, Brando and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, KK said: Spielberg was a class act on stage. The film itself was disappointingly lightweight, though it has some nice moments (the critics seem to be eating it up). Having read your thoughts on movies for years now, I think this means I'll at least like it KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 I wouldn't be surprised, and I hope you do! I don't hate it. And it's not without moments. I just wish Spielberg had opened himself up more in this film. He mentioned on stage that he always tends to put a camera between himself, his movies and the people around him, and having co-written this, this was the first time he felt he didn't do that. Ironically, it feels exactly like he did, where he took these stories he lived through, and turned them into a technical cinematic exercise. Honestly, it reminded me a bunch of Catch Me If You Can in certain ways, just without its emotional heft. A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 25 minutes ago, KK said: Not much of Williams in it, but there is a nice theme for the mother (played by Michelle Willams). Was the piano music in the trailer from the movie? Is there enough of this score to get excited about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Nope. That's definitely trailer music. The music in the film never really soars to that kind of level. It's mostly pretty somber, save for the source background music for the movies the Sammy character makes (couldn't place it...so maybe it's original?) and a little bit in the end. The film's key sequences are underscored by classical piano pieces that Sammy's mother plays. One of them felt like a variation of Satie's Gymnopedie, so that could have also been an original treatment too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, KK said: The music in the film never really soars to that kind of level. It's mostly pretty somber So not one bigger musical set piece that Williams owns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 11 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Spielberg’s introduction of the film and the Q&A after Following on from this, here's the press conference which is a separate thing from the Q&A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,386 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 How close is this supposed to be to Spielberg's actual life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: How close is this supposed to be to Spielberg's actual life? Semi-autobiographical. Anything profound and amazingly articulate goes with the "semi" part, the boring stuff, autobiographical--you know, like everyone else's life. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 On 12/09/2022 at 2:39 PM, publicist said: So not one bigger musical set piece that Williams owns? There's a sequence where the mother has this dance solo in the night and that's probably the only purely, original musical set-piece. And it is of a certain subdued quality, though quite elegant. There are these idiomatic orchestral "source music" interludes that underscore Spielberg's school screenings of his adolescent films...and that could also possibly be new Williams, if only because I couldn't quite place them at the moment. But they could just as easily be bits of old film music too. Brando and blondheim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2022 My thoughts on the film and score: Spielberg’s usual knack for sentimentality and wide-eyed wonder manifests itself so effortlessly in this tender autobiography about the healing power of art in a broken family. It feels like he’s been making movies for decades with this in the back of his mind, not as some grand end goal per se but as another big piece to fit comfortably into the later chapters of his oeuvre. There has always been a little spot in his filmography left open for this one. Those skeptical about the material will be happy to know that it plays less like the stock coming-of-age-meets-homage-to-cinema vanity project that you’re probably thinking of and more like a warm and fuzzy flicker of home movie memories from the all-time great. The first hour or so is as close as the film gets to saccharine, not so much sweetened as it is a little corny, but never cloying. For anyone allergic to Spielberg in that general mode, this won’t change your attitude. The film fittingly grows up over the runtime, but still skillfully walks the bittersweet line between the dramatic weight and the tongue-in-cheek dorkiness of Spielberg’s youth from the get-go. It’s never self-serious and has a good sense of humour about itself without compromising the emotional resonance of the familial tensions. If anything, the lightness authenticates it. I’m not sure if it was just emphasized by the receptive festival crowd, but this might actually be one of Spielberg’s funniest, filled with lots of naturalistic sibling banter, interjections from old Jewish relatives, and the usual awkward teen moments. The monkey is good too! After the wide-shot flourish of West Side Story, which naturally saw him throw his whole cinematic toolbox up onto the screen, Spielberg’s direction scales back and excels in the light touch of his patented formal economy. He’s still bringing the goods as necessary, from a couple of lasting compositions to one incredibly memorable visual gag, but don’t go in expecting any show-stopping long-takes. Ultimately the heart of the film is the script, co-authored by Tony Kushner but so clearly a personal outlet for Spielberg. Sure, the recreated anecdotes will be familiar to admirers of his work, but there’s a whole groundwork of thematic subtext there to deepen the scenes that would otherwise have us pointing at the screen DiCaprio-style. In fact, it's pretty remarkable how well so much of the stuff I "recognized" translates to the screen without that embarrassing feeling that it’s only there for the sake of it. The performances are really solid in an ensemble sort of way. Obviously Paul Dano and Michelle Williams as the parents goes without saying, but the main guy who plays Spielberg at high school age is actually really good too. I recall some of the early reactions mentioning Licorice Pizza as a reference, which makes some sense considering how certain characters will just wander in, own the movie for a few minutes, and then leave (Judd Hirsch and David Lynch, baby!). Fortunately, that’s as far as the comparison goes though. I didn’t like the rose-coloured glasses the PTA film insisted on wearing but no matter here. Just as my film brain is always focusing on the camera movement and editing, my film score ears are tuned in to catch and place as much music as possible. Williams’ score is sparse but thoughtfully spotted and quite elegant in a sombre way, as KK has already mentioned. My estimate is probably not much more than a half-hour of original music, if even that much. It’s possible Williams wrote and recorded some other suites or arrangements intended for the album, but otherwise I imagine the OST will be a combination of licensed music and original score. There are a couple period needledrops from the radio, a number of classical piano pieces played by his mother (credits listed Satie’s Gymnopedie, and others by Beethoven, Haydn, and maybe Bach), as well as some diegetic Western music heard on records during the movie screenings (I recognized the villain theme from Bernstein’s The Magnificent Seven and the title melody from Newman’s How The West Was Won, credits also listed something by Victor Young, Max Steiner’s The Searchers, and more Alfred Newman- Captain From Castile may have been it). As far as Williams’ score goes, there’s one main idea for celeste, strings, harp, and what I think was an oboe or clarinet. It appears about three times in the film proper, and is also the basis for the 4 to 5-minute end credits suite, which is a unique recording and the longest piece of music altogether. That one is sure to get a lot of plays. All the players are listed, including a standard string section, french horns, and soloists on piano, celeste, and guitar. Whoever drew the Book Thief comparison was about as close as they could have gotten, even though this is still pretty unique territory from a functional standpoint. Being reminded of Williams' grace and deftness after the sequel trilogy years of wall-to-wall tentpole scoring is of course another testament to his genius. Certainly worth a closer listen. Anyway, it was really cool to attend a TIFF screening for the first time and to have it be the new Spielberg/Williams collaboration of all things. I’ll definitely be seeing this again in November. My favourite part was the post-credits stinger where a silhouetted man clearly wearing a turtleneck appears in a doorway and we get a booming, "Hey Stevie, baby!" accompanied by a bass pizzicato Jaws theme before it cuts to black. Seriously though, count me as a Fabel-fan. 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Jay 37,363 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Thanks for that write-up, and I loled at your final joke I wonder if that end credits cue will be the album opener, or the album closer Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Once 605 Posted September 18, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: I wonder if that end credits cue will be the album opener, or the album closer Or both! mstrox, Jay, Brando and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: Thanks for that write-up, and I loled at your final joke I wonder if that end credits cue will be the album opener, or the album closer Knowing Williams OSTs, it could be both EDIT: Haha, ninja'd! Jay and Once 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: I wonder if that end credits cue will be the album opener, or the album closer Yeah, not sure what the construction will be like. If I had to guess, I'm thinking the OST will be a mix of the classical piano, which I suspect Williams may have even lightly arranged to fit the film, interspersed between a few actual score cues and any other potentially unused pieces or suites. Again, there's really not a lot of Williams music, but that combination would form a coherent listening experience and probably bring the album to around The Post length. Keep an open mind and we'll see! The credits cue is a lovely summary and maybe the only significant full piece aside from the first appearance of the main theme. I forgot to mention, but after the ovation for Spielberg's credit, John Williams also got some modest but noticeable applause (plus cheers for David Lynch). Oh, and it was announced this morning that the film won the TIFF People's Choice Award. Cool! Once and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 If this were almost any other composer we'd potentially get a half hour digital album with the original material as heard in the film. But we're talking about the king of concept albums who is very protective of his programming for more personal films so I'm betting we get an album which barely resembles the score as heard in the film. In a sense that would please JWFanners as it means thematic material will be expanded upon but I also reckon people should prepare themselves for epic disappointment in terms of unreleased film cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 17 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: as well as some diegetic Western music heard on records during the movie screenings (I recognized the villain theme from Bernstein’s The Magnificent Seven and the title melody from Newman’s How The West Was Won, credits also listed something by Victor Young, Max Steiner’s The Searchers, and more Alfred Newman- Captain From Castile may have been it). Well spotted! For some reason my brain was not registering these in the film. While I personally thought little of the film, TIFF really ate it up. It won the people's choice award at the festival today. Which means it's the "feel good" film of the year, which over the last few years, tends to pick up the Best Picture award. 4 hours ago, Richard Penna said: If this were almost any other composer we'd potentially get a half hour digital album with the original material as heard in the film. But we're talking about the king of concept albums who is very protective of his programming for more personal films so I'm betting we get an album which barely resembles the score as heard in the film. In a sense that would please JWFanners as it means thematic material will be expanded upon but I also reckon people should prepare themselves for epic disappointment in terms of unreleased film cues. I don't know. Was The Post like that? I imagine this OST will be similar to that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 I have no idea about The Post. The score wasn't for me and I turned the film off after about 20 minutes out of boredom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 The Post is overall good but not great. All the “procedural” kinda stuff about how the story came together and all that was great. But of course Spielberg in that mode is very geared to my taste. Like, I'd watch The Post 50 times in a row before I'd watch RP1 one more time. The final track of the OST is one of my most listened to tracks of any kind of music of the last 5 years. Top tier Williams. 17 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: something by Victor Young, I'd bet that it's music from Shane if it's a Western. It'd be funny if it was The Quiet Man blondheim and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 My mistake! I looked at Young's filmography to see if I could remember the title and it's actually from The Greatest Show on Earth, although there may have been others. The track from The Searchers was definitely Ethan Returns. I think that's the last bit of info I've got in my head more than 24 hours later, so hopefully this will tide everyone over until November when we find out I completely misremembered everything Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: it's actually from The Greatest Show on Earth, Ah yeah that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: The Post is overall good but not great. All the “procedural” kinda stuff about how the story came together and all that was great. But of course Spielberg in that mode is very geared to my taste. Like, I'd watch The Post 50 times in a row before I'd watch RP1 one more time. The Post is a much stronger film than RP1. It's also a much more interesting film than The Fablemans, imo. The music however, was pretty uninteresting to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 There's no handwringing for me here, i haven't watched a Spielberg movie in the cinema since Indy IV with the exception of 'Ready Player One' out of pure boredom during a Bangkok layover (it was dumb, but watchable and was a great fuck you to modern directors that can't film and edit a good action sequence). And this sounds like the kind of nicy-nice Stevie Spielberg, safely in the no-offense zone, which i tend to yawn myself through. So my actual hope is Williams stops aging and has a final Spielberg in him that better utilizes his talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 16 hours ago, Richard Penna said: If this were almost any other composer we'd potentially get a half hour digital album with the original material as heard in the film. But we're talking about the king of concept albums who is very protective of his programming for more personal films so I'm betting we get an album which barely resembles the score as heard in the film. In a sense that would please JWFanners as it means thematic material will be expanded upon but I also reckon people should prepare themselves for epic disappointment in terms of unreleased film cues. What does this mean? I get you almost despise how JW assembles his albums and that's okay. But, frankly, I find hard to fathom statements such as above that spill prejudice and self-entitlement. We don't know what the album is going to be and how it's going to be assembled, so at least let's wait before starting shooting the cannonballs. I get we live in an era where fans and collectors feel entitled to get everything from the get-go and assemble their own custom versions, but why JW should always be treated as an evil mastermind who wants to keep his fans away from accessing their preferred music, it's just ridiculous. I was listening to the E.T. album just yesterday and I am grateful that I experienced the music from that film that way for many years. Sure, I am as grateful that nowadays we can listen to the music as heard in the film as there is a lot of gorgeous stuff that needs to be out there and enjoyed, studied, appreciated etc., but the musical journey that the OST album gave to people was a wonderful way to reminisce the feelings of the film and give you something musically satisfying, with an arc of its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 My post was actually slightly in jest, but humour doesnt travel well. I was merely commenting that with others seeing the film or reading reviews of the score and how it works in scene A or B and hence looking forward to that music, it seems unlikely to me that we'll get the music in that 'raw' form because it being a personal film. Hence it was more about expectation management about what form this music will be heard on album and what it means for unreleased music. It definitely feels like you and I are at opposite ends of the album preference scale, because I did not expect such a strong reaction to my observation. I must admit though, that I don't understand how merely preferring film takes to arranged ones is a sense of entitlement. I'd actually see it as the exact opposite - wanting the composer to put more work into making their music play better as an album (probably requiring reorchestrating and re-recording). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 That's okay. I wouldn't be surprised if this will be one of those cases where the album will end up having more music than the film itself like Lincoln or The Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 I'm not very familiar with either of those scores, but would it be fair to say that everything in those films is musically represented in some way on the album, be it concert versions or 'cleaned up' takes of film cues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 14 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I have no idea about The Post. The score wasn't for me and I turned the film off after about 20 minutes out of boredom. Wow, 20 minutes! I gave up after 5 minutes, not out of boredom, but because I couldn't stand the tone of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 It may have been less than that... I have no idea. It was when Hanks and Streep were talking about something across a table that I realised I didn't know or care about what they were talking about. I wonder if it's one of those films where enjoyment is helped by some interest in the subject matter. The music similarly did absolutely nothing for me, but I think it's because JW's serious, character drama side is not for me. (his adventure/fantasy is more me, generally) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 On 18/09/2022 at 8:48 AM, Once said: Or both! *shudders* Don't inspire him! There is still time for him to have an edit of the first half of the suite/credits be at the start of the album, then a repeat in the middle with the entire track, and then the second half at the end of the album that is just an edit of the end but call that the "credits" when the full version in the middle of the album actually is. HMM... does that sound FAMILIAR? *screams* Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 On 19/09/2022 at 1:26 PM, Richard Penna said: I wonder if it's one of those films where enjoyment is helped by some interest in the subject matter. The music similarly did absolutely nothing for me, but I think it's because JW's serious, character drama side is not for me. (his adventure/fantasy is more me, generally) No, i had a good knowledge about the political/journalist background of the story and it didn't help much. It was just waxworks standing around, spouting pieties. But once in a while the Spielberg magic comes through, for instance in a spinning shot elegantly depicting how lost Meryl Streep is among the men whose boss she is supposed to be. It's hard to endure the rest for such moments, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Slightly new poster I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Still no release date in Australia for this. Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Steven Spielberg Recreated His First War Movie Escape To Nowhere For The Fabelmans – Exclusive Image Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,863 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: Steven Spielberg Recreated His First War Movie Escape To Nowhere For The Fabelmans – Exclusive Image Quote The Fabelmans is in cinemas from 27 January 2023. Typo in the article maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Just now, Brando said: Typo in the article maybe? Empire Magazine is a British publication, where the movie is being released later than in the US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,863 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Empire Magazine is a British publication, where the movie is being released later than in the US Oh thats right, I'm a dummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 The film premieres here in Greece on November 5th in the Thessaloniki Film festival. Alas, I don't live in Thessaloniki but in Athens. Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,363 Posted October 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2022 Some new stills released Once, Brando and blondheim 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 When are we going to get soundtrack information? I had hoped we would have heard at least a little something by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 I guess that's up to Milan Records to announce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 You would think with all the positive buzz it is getting we would at least have a release date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 I literally linked you to the post that says what the release date is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 I’m checking in between customers at work. I didn’t catch the hyperlink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,961 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 And we're off!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 The movie has an official website https://www.thefabelmans.movie/ Never seen the .movie domain before, that's pretty neat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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