Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted March 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2021 This is definitely an oddly specific question that perhaps only Mike can answer, but I'm curious how involved JW is with modern score expansions. During the approval process, does JW actually listen to Mike's expanded assemblies before approving them? Or does he simply review a tracklist - presumably with a cue breakdown of each track - and in his head he can recall the score and determine if the assembly works without listening to it? If the latter, does that mean JW can remember each cue from his scores, and what music it contained? Mike previously mentioned that JW requested mastering changes for E.T., specifically a reduction in brightness from Mike's prototype assembly. Clearly this shows that JW does listen to some expansions. But he also mentioned on WOTW that grouping multiple alternates in a row would be a red flag, implying JW approved that release simply reviewing the tracklist. For Jurassic Park he mentioned being asked to retain the OST edit for Incident at Isla Nublar, implying that JW remembers his OST assemblies. Although not a MM expansion, JW also requested OST edits be replicated for Desert Chase in the 2008 Raiders expansion (despite being 27 years after he assembled that OST!) And of course JW occasionally rejects source cues, meaning he either remembers those by their cue title or listens to a prototype assembly and requests their removal (Shawm being an interesting example; the only source cue rejected for Azkaban, meaning he remembered every other source cue and only wanted Shawm omitted). I guess this started as a basic question but it became more intriguing the more I thought about it. Despite public comments implying he rarely revisits older works, it seems to me that JW actually remembers his older soundtracks and scores in great detail. Obviously us fans could skim a cue breakdown of his most popular scores and play the score through in our heads, but can JW himself do this with his own music? Can he review a track/cue list for an expansion and determine if the assembly works musically without even listening to it? Based on his comments about never revisiting older scores, I just can't imagine JW sitting down for 2+ hours and listening to an expansion from start to finish... but it's fun to imagine! Raiders of the SoundtrArk, bigjimwilson, Holko and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,354 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Interesting question, but we all cannot answer, just do wild guessing. I would bet, that JW does not listen through the whole expansions. If he did, he probably would say, "Don't publish that. I would rather rework the whole thing." But I am quite sure, he listens to samples and certain outstanding cues. And I guess that Mike comes with a list of questions, film version or album version or both of a particular cue, is this mix with the choir ok or not what about the source cues etc. Probably, you can handle all those questions in a well prepared 2 hour meeting. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 22 minutes ago, crumbs said: Mike previously mentioned that JW requested mastering changes for E.T., specifically a reduction in brightness from Mike's prototype assembly. Clearly this shows that JW does listen to some expansions. I guess E.T. is really special enough to listen to again and again. 22 minutes ago, crumbs said: For Jurassic Park he mentioned being asked to retain the OST edit for Incident at Isla Nublar, implying that JW remembers his OST assemblies. Very happy that Mike ignored that. 23 minutes ago, crumbs said: JW also requested OST edits be replicated for Desert Chase in the 2008 Raiders expansion Oh, so it was him 24 minutes ago, crumbs said: And of course JW occasionally rejects source cues (...) Shawm being an interesting example; the only source cue rejected for Azkaban, meaning he remembered every other source cue and only wanted Shawm omitted Do we explicitly know that was his request? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 JW only listens to OST assemblies. Everything else is redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Holko said: Do we explicitly know that was his request? I believe that was confirmed, yes. But I also don't want to put words in people's mouths, so hopefully someone "in the know" will confirm. 11 minutes ago, Holko said: Oh, so it was him Yes, according to Laurent Bouzereau. This FSM article confirms it. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,912 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I think I remember Jay did an interview with Mike and one of the questions of the extent of JW's involvement was discussed. It sounded like he's quite involved even saying certain cues can't be released for various reasons. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted March 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2021 He does listen to them. Mike burns them to CDRs and hand delivers them to Jamie Richardson. Later, Jamie and JW will sit down together and listen to them at JW's house. JW will give Jamie notes that he delivers back to Mike. Holko, Once, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 13 others 13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Is Jamie JW's butler? MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted March 22, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2021 Lucky Jamie Richardson. Sounds like he has the coolest job in the world! Very cool piece of insight, thanks @Jay! I wasn't sure if JW would sit down and listen to his scores from start to finish; he always gives the impression he doesn't like revisiting older works. It's nice to hear that he does. Wonder if JW has a studio in his house where he can review music? crlbrg, Will, Chewy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Is Jamie JW's butler? https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Jamie-Richardson/2028224834 https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0724601/ https://www.allmusic.com/artist/jamie-richardson-mn0001670175 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I also want a butler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I hadn't seen the name before so I searched the forum for it and found one instance where he's referred to as JW's agent, another where he's called JW's manager, and another where he's called JW's assistant! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 He's a chameleon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted March 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2021 I've most often heard him referred to as his assistant - and he was also the lyricist for A Winter's Spell! @TownerFan met him in Boston just before he met JW GerateWohl, crumbs and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,354 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I hadn't seen the name before so I searched the forum for it and found one instance where he's referred to as JW's agent, another where he's called JW's manager, and another where he's called JW's assistant! They just tried to avoid the word "butler". Jurassic Shark and Smeltington 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 I guess that means Jamie is the intermediary Mike negotiates with regarding JW's notes, as referred to in his anecdote about Incident at Isla Nublar. Possibly even the guy who asked Mike if he wanted to expand JP (and Mike, in turn, asked if he could do TLW concurrently). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,354 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Jay said: He does listen to them. Mike burns them to CDRs and hand delivers them to Jamie Richardson. Later, Jamie and JW will sit down together and listen to them at JW's house. JW will give Jaime notes that he delivers back to Mike. That is interesting. I would not have thought that. But it makes sense, since he obviously pays a lot of attention on creating soundtrack albums. I mean, there are a lot of composers who create suites or special edits of their scores from the material they already wrote for the film. But Williams actually composes and arranges tracks for his soundtrack albums. For Star Wars he wrote the Leia's Theme track especially for the album and so on. I mean, who else does that? Michael Giacchino did that on the Rogue One album, I remember. But it is really rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 It was more common from Star Wars through all of the 80s and 90s, with many composers doing it such as James Horner, Elmer Bernstein, etc From the 00s-present it doesn't really happen as much, and JW is one of the only guys really keeping the tradition alive Those Giacchino ones are sort of the reverse of how JW did it; MG writes those suites first and then bases the film cues based on material in them, and at the sessions records the suites just for the album and/or the end credits Will and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 3 hours ago, crumbs said: I believe that was confirmed, yes. But I also don't want to put words in people's mouths, so hopefully someone "in the know" will confirm. Yes, according to Laurent Bouzereau. This FSM article confirms it. I just can't believe how in the hell a master of craftmanship like williams can give a thumbsup to those horrendous noticeable edits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 What do you mean, he was the one who created them in the first place for the 1981 OST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,516 Posted March 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Jay said: What do you mean, he was the one who created them in the first place for the 1981 OST Him destroying his own music and making sure it stays that way is even worse. crumbs, Chewy and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 They are among my least favorite (and most pointless) OST edits of all time crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 42 minutes ago, Jay said: Those Giacchino ones are sort of the reverse of how JW did it; MG writes those suites first and then bases the film cues based on material in them, and at the sessions records the suites just for the album and/or the end credits I guess we mostly don't know in which order JW does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I wonder if JW tucks the CDRs into the leather bound books he has of each score TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Holko said: Oh, so it was him This Williams guy needs to know where to get off. While we're on the subject John, it's ADVENTURES ON EARTH, and not ESCAPE/CHASE/GOODBYE. Got that? Jurassic Shark and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, Naïve Old Fart said: and not ESCAPE/CHASE/GOODBYE. Of course it's not that!!! It's The Rescue and Bike Chase + The Departure! Jurassic Shark and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,278 Posted March 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 hours ago, crumbs said: Wonder if JW has a studio in his house where he can review music? They probably play it on this crlbrg, Will, Dr. Rick and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,683 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: I wonder if JW tucks the CDRs into the leather bound books he has of each score Wouldn't he tuck in a complimentary copy of the finished product, rather than some crappy CD-R? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 He'd have a bunch of 78s made for each expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I would speculate he has a different shelf full of physical CDs in their jewel cases The CDRs I imagine just come with a printout of the track list. Easy to slip just the disc in the book TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 hours ago, GerateWohl said: They just tried to avoid the word "butler". He's JW's Matessino guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 23, 2021 Author Share Posted March 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Jay said: I would speculate he has a different shelf full of physical CDs in their jewel cases Out of interest, do you know if JW gets sent a copy of each expansion's finished product? Does his team check the album artwork, liner notes, etc. as well? Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted March 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2021 Yes Yes Chewy, crumbs and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Only After Thor signs off on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/22/2021 at 10:56 AM, Jay said: Later, Jamie and JW will sit down together and listen to them at JW's house. JW will give Jamie notes that he delivers back to Mike. I bet they sit by the fireplace and have a nice wine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bilbo 3,709 Posted March 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/23/2021 at 4:31 AM, Jay said: Yes Yes So we can blame Williams for Jurassic Park’s toothless presentation and he didn’t spot the typos you missed either?!? Smeltington, Holko and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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