GerateWohl 4,368 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I haven't listened to the OST album for years. I will do this weekend and see if I enjoy it. Then I nicht be able to enjoy such an expansion even more. If not, then it's probably not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Anyway, they added this to the SACD page: Quote The Complete Edition Matrix soundtrack comes on two Hybrid SA-CDs (Super Audio CDs). These Hybrid SA-CD’s contain a CD layer that can be played on any CD player, and a hi-resolution SA-CD layer that contains DSD audio in stereo and surround versions. The audio on the SA-CD layer has been upsampled from 48 thousand samples per second 24bit PCM audio to 2.8 million samples per second 1 bit DSD audio. When these disks are inserted into an SA-CD player or a Blu-Ray player that can play SA-CD’s, you will hear up-converted hi-resolution DSD audio in stereo or surround and realize the sonic enhancement that comes from the up-conversion. Karol Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,363 Posted June 11, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: I haven't listened to the OST album for years. I will do this weekend and see if I enjoy it. Then I nicht be able to enjoy such an expansion even more. If not, then it's probably not for me. The original score album is a brisk 30 minute jaunt through all the score's highlights. He did a good job of picking which highlights you'd want if forced to choose 30 minutes (he basically took 35ish minutes worth of the best cues then edited down some of them to make it all come out to under 30). But the full 100 minutes is pretty good all the way through Watching the film is fun though because the original score is only one part of the musical pallet, a bunch of techno and rock songs play an important role too TSMefford, Edmilson, Yavar Moradi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 And if you enjoy the score any Blu-ray has an isolated track with composer's commentary as well. And yes, the original album is actually pretty good. I would recommend watching it with the film as it is a brilliantly spotted and scored movie. The balancing between score and sound effects is also great. It also makes a very interesting live to picture experience. You really get to appreciate what the score is doing for the picture. Karol Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 Right, and the isolated score is cool because it's not just Davis's score on that track, but the actual film edits and mixes of all the other songs too - and some of Davis's score is actual overlays meant to mesh with the techno music (like the track "The System" debuting on this release) Yavar Moradi and crocodile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Jay said: Anyone else see this film in theaters on opening day? I was 6 when this movie came out, so the only movies I watched in theaters that year were from Disney lol (Tarzan and Toy Story 2). But I wish I was born a few years earlier because 1999 was an awesome year to go to the theaters: The Matrix, Sixth Sense, Fight Club, American Beauty, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 Yea I was 19 (20 for the last 4 months) and saw every great 1999 movie in the theater, and it was awesome I remember seeing The Matrix on opening day on a Friday afternoon on my way home for the weekend from college to work or something, and by the time I got back I was telling all my friends about it and I saw it in theaters again later that week with them. It was PACKED by then Same thing happened with Fight Club Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 There was also Magnolia, Eyes Wide Shut, The Iron Giant, South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut, The Green Mile, Being John Malkovich, Almodovar's All About My Mother... Yeah, 1999 was one of the best years for movies in history, tied with 1975. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Funny, I went to see this in a multi-ex. Some idiot decided it was appropriate to bring their baby to this R rated film. The.kid started screaming almost from the start so I bailed after a few minutes. Never did see the rest! I'm satisfied with the single track on VARESE 25TH Anniversary set. 😆😅😝 3 hours ago, TSMefford said: Indeed. I'm 99% sure it was a VHS or a Fullscreen DVD, which may have been open matte. I don't recall. The resolution and sound were poor though. Lol. Silkscreen is better. This was one of those terrible Super 35 films that severely cropped the image TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 44 minutes ago, Edmilson said: There was also Magnolia, Eyes Wide Shut, The Iron Giant, South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut, The Green Mile, Being John Malkovich, Almodovar's All About My Mother... Yeah, 1999 was one of the best years for movies in history, tied with 1975. I saw all those in the theater! Except for All About My Mother, which I still haven't seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 6 hours ago, Jay said: Anyone else see this film in theaters on opening day? I can’t remember if it was opening day, but I remember seeing it on a giant screen in NYC when visiting family. I was 9. It was epic! To all those complaining about the cover… it most likely has no actors on it to avoid approvals and other entanglements. There’s only so many times you can use the scrolling code as well. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 5 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: I saw it as an XVID (or whatever the standard format was back in the day) on my PC screen with stereo speakers. Probably the first pirate download film I've watched. On the other hand, people nowadays stream films on their mobile phones, while I refuse to watch a film if it's not in its original language on a screen at least 2m wide… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Edmilson said: There was also Magnolia, Eyes Wide Shut, The Iron Giant, South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut, The Green Mile, Being John Malkovich, Almodovar's All About My Mother... Yeah, 1999 was one of the best years for movies in history, tied with 1975. I wish I had been older and financially independent by 1999 so I could have caught some of those gems in theaters (at least The Matrix, Fight Club, The Sixth Sense, and The Insider). Unfortunately, being a 5th grader with no allowance meant having to wait until they arrived on cable TV; I saw Matrix for the first time on a family friend's VHS tape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,368 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 11 hours ago, Jay said: The original score album is a brisk 30 minute jaunt through all the score's highlights. He did a good job of picking which highlights you'd want if forced to choose 30 minutes (he basically took 35ish minutes worth of the best cues then edited down some of them to make it all come out to under 30). But the full 100 minutes is pretty good all the way through Watching the film is fun though because the original score is only one part of the musical pallet, a bunch of techno and rock songs play an important role too After listening again to the OST I can confirm that. At listening to it again it reminded me partly of 90s Christopher Young scores. It is not necessarily music to be heard in its own. But it is really a brillant score in combination with the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 I hated FIGHT CLUB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 It's a very well curated OST and I can't remember there being anything on the DE that I really missed. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,368 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 In addition, 30 minutes OST might not be that much Matrix music. But I have the OSTs of all three Matrix movies. That probably more than enough for me. But if I hadn't all of these this edition would be definitely my favourite option. When I wanted to hear a Matrix score I usually listened to the Revolutions score because for me this was the most consistent listening experience even though it misses the great tracks from the first one like "Welcome to the Real World". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chewy 2,391 Posted June 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2021 18 hours ago, Jay said: I don't really know how to interpret these comments. It's just every cue in its own track (apart from one instance), just like the old composer promo was. The old composer promo is great, this will be almost exactly the same, just mastered instead of unmastered (and you can already listen to the mastering via the samples on Varese's page), and with 3 very short cues that weren't on that now included. Comparing the spectrograms of track 2 Trinity Infinity, it seems that the new Varese release is running at a different speed, compared to how it plays in previous releases or even in the movie: The previous releases and the film audio have the very usual and common 15.735kHz tone whereas the new Varese has a 15.75kHz one. I'm not saying this is a huge flaw at all, it is probably even unnoticeable (new Varese is running 0.1% faster than normal) but it is still very strange to notice differences in speed with a digital recording, right? All this to say that there can always be mistakes on any new release, and I fully understand that some people might want to wait for others' feedback before buying it. Smeltington, Holko, Jurassic Shark and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Now the DE will become even more sought after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,315 Posted June 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2021 21 hours ago, Jay said: I don't really know how to interpret these comments. It's just every cue in its own track (apart from one instance), just like the old composer promo was. The old composer promo is great, this will be almost exactly the same, just mastered instead of unmastered (and you can already listen to the mastering via the samples on Varese's page), and with 3 very short cues that weren't on that now included. Well I never had this old composer promo, so I have no point of reference to that comparison. Without pinpointing any release in particular, occasionally mistakes do happen that aren't identifiable in samples. You might be able to hear the mastering in a small selection of samples but that doesn't necessarily mean the entire release has no issues. I don't understand what's hard to comprehend about the concept of waiting to read some reviews on a product before purchasing. In the same way you wouldn't buy a toaster without first checking reviews on Amazon to make sure it doesn't set your house on fire. Chewy, Jurassic Shark and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted June 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2021 If this new release sets my house on fire, I'm asking for a refund. Holko, crumbs and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: If this new release sets my house on fire, I'm asking for a refund. It depends on what you try to play your SACD in. Because your regular drive won't play that layer, that's for damn sure. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 I've always found it annoying that CD-players didn't come with SACD support as default. It's not a significantly more expensive technology, but I guess there's a licence to use it that's not exactly free... Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 21 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: If this new release sets my house on fire, I'm asking for a refund. Whatever you do, don't stick the SACDs in your toaster (though it seems about as compatible as a modern PC). Jurassic Shark and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I've always found it annoying that CD-players didn't come with SACD support as default. It's not a significantly more expensive technology, but I guess there's a licence to use it that's not exactly free... Considering all that, I'm sure it was decided to be totally financially better for Varese to invest in an SACD version over producers who can play a file at the right speed and better artists/image licences so they don't market their supposed premium product with... this thing. Chewy and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 SACD has been outdated for years now. Why not release it on Blu-ray audio instead? A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 340 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 While I would not call SACD outdated (there are still compatible players made, and for 5.1 Blu-ray sounds about the same) I am surprised at this as well. The big advantage of SACD is backwards compatibility to CD, so you have to make only one disc for everybody, like the classical recordings from BIS, for example. If you produce a separate CD release you might as well do a Blu-ray for hires multichannel since now there are probably much more BD players in homes than SACD compatible ones. Either way I am very happy that finally a soundtrack is release in proper hires surround and will buy it, once I read the review if the SACD offered an audible advantage here. Unfortunately earlier Soundtrack releases on SACD or DVD Audio like E.T. And A.I. did not seem to offer a much better sound. I hope, with the Matrix they got better masters that can take full use of the potential of SACD. blondheim and Mattris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 That's fascinating about the speed of the music in the samples. Maybe something happened when making the sample files, not when making the new album itself? Are the Paycheck samples that correct speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 5 hours ago, GerateWohl said: At listening to it again it reminded me partly of 90s Christopher Young scores. Well, both do take a lot from the James Horner playbook. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 34 minutes ago, Jay said: That's fascinating about the speed of the music in the samples. Maybe something happened when making the sample files, not when making the new album itself? Are the Paycheck samples that correct speed? Paycheck samples have the common 15.735kHz frequency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 Well, looks like something happened in the transferring, editing, mixing, or mastering process for The Matrix that caused things to be the wrong speed. This is a bummer to learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Jay said: Well, looks like something happened in the transferring, editing, mixing, or mastering process for The Matrix that caused things to be the wrong speed. This is a bummer to learn Your idea could still be correct - maybe they finished the disc master properly but didn't pay as much attention when exporting the samples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 True, true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 I really, really hope that theory is correct. I'll be absolutely gutted if this release has been mastered at the wrong speed, after waiting all these years for a complete expansion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 @BryonDavis says Quote I pushed for SACD/Blu Ray Audio releases for over 10 years. I am glad that Cary heard me on this and we got to release this in 5.1. Anybody who knows me knows how passionate I am about high res offerings. If I can make it work at NFN I may look into revisiting some scores in SACD (2-channel and 5.1 if possible and cost effective). https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=143595&forumID=1&archive=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 28 minutes ago, Jay said: Well, looks like something happened in the transferring, editing, mixing, or mastering process for The Matrix that caused things to be the wrong speed. This is a bummer to learn Again, I don't think you can notice it. It's nowhere near the inconsistent speed of some IJ Concord tracks When looking at a track from the original album, it does have the same unusual 15.75kHz frequency: So maybe the album was also running at incorrect speed? I also checked if the new Varese uses the OST master for that track but it doesn't seem to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jay said: @BryonDavis says https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=143595&forumID=1&archive=0 I'm all for 5.1 releases, it makes sense (especially for scores that were actually mixed that way; hell, modern scores are mixed in 7.1!) I just wish it wasn't locked behind a format like SACD. That said, I'm sure if Varese were able to release it as a high-res download, they would (and I would gladly buy it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 So the film itself, the composer promo, and the 2008 Deluxe Edition run at one speed, while the old OST album and the (website samples of the) 2021 Complete Edition run at a different speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Just now, Jay said: So the film itself, the composer promo, and the 2008 Deluxe Edition run at one speed, while the old OST album and the 2021 Complete Edition run at a different speed? Yes exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 I wonder what happened to cause this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jay said: I wonder what happened to cause this Interestingly, the speed difference is identical to that between 24 frames per second (film standard) and 23.976 (digital/home video standard for NTSC). So my best assumption is an incorrectly configured editing timeline. Again, I really hope this is just an issue with incorrectly exported samples and not a problem with the release itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 Ah OK well that explains it. Someone used the wrong setting in a piece of software somewhere along the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Jay said: Ah OK well that explains it. Someone used the wrong setting in a piece of software somewhere along the line Indeed, especially when most editing software defaults to 24 fps. They might have been using a 23.976 fps version of the film as their reference, resulting in some inadvertent conversion of the music speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 I assume the LLL editions of Reloaded and Revolutions are the correct speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockwave 8 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 17 hours ago, Edmilson said: There was also Magnolia, Eyes Wide Shut, The Iron Giant, South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut, The Green Mile, Being John Malkovich, Almodovar's All About My Mother... Yeah, 1999 was one of the best years for movies in history, tied with 1975. If I may add Wing Commander please. A definite popcorn movie. Acting was well, anyways lol I love the bombastic score by Kiner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, Jay said: I assume the LLL editions of Reloaded and Revolutions are the correct speed? Yes... Reloaded: Revolutions: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 The " best thing" about theses DELUXE releases is it often results in the previous oop, htf, $$$ ost becoming easily available. I've purchased DIE Hard 2, MIMIC and DOLORES CLAIBORNE cheap, after the DE came out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 12 hours ago, bruce marshall said: I've purchased DIE Hard 2, MIMIC and DOLORES CLAIBORNE cheap, after the DE came out! I didn't get the Die Hard 2 expansion because the OST album was so lousy, and now I regret it. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 340 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Had anybody the chance to listen to the 5.1. mix yet? I am curious if it is a conservative mix with just some reverb in the surrounds, or more adventurous with instruments surrounding the listener. With this score I would welcome the latter. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 I don't think it's started shipping yet has it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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