Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Including the distractingly micro-edited Trinity Infinity. Is it the same edit as on the OST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 Yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 The DE was just edited so that it could fit on one disc though, wasn't it, only inherently forcing Davis' curation. If Townson had bothered to go for a proper 2-CD presentation at that time, there'd have been no need for this edition, right? Among a lot of little things missing, it was the microedit retained from the OST in Ontological Shock which constantly prevented me from buying the DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 32 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Including the distractingly micro-edited Trinity Infinity. 28 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Is it the same edit as on the OST? 22 minutes ago, Jay said: Yea Then I don't see anything wrong with the micro edits, as this version flows very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 32 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Then I don't see anything wrong with the micro edits, as this version flows very well. The unedited version flows very well, too. You can get used to the edits, but that doesn't mean they're good edits, or not noticeably annoying when you pay enough attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 Sometimes two things are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: The unedited version flows very well, too. You can get used to the edits, but that doesn't mean they're good edits, or not noticeably annoying when you pay enough attention. Are you saying the edits are badly done on a technical level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I'm no music editor, I can't tell if they could have been done better or not. But as I remember there are several abrupt cuts in the music that seem very artificial when you're familiar with the full cue. Artificial as in obviously created in post production. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Okay, I can understand that's an issue. I was only talking about the musical flow of the edited piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted January 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2022 Well, it's *also* about the musical flow. Those edits are abrupt, technically and musically. They're perhaps not musically distracting if you don't know the alternative, but they are if you do. You can always argue that the full cue has irrelevant bits that should be cut for a better musical flow (with any musical work, you always have a trade-off between being too elaborate (musically or otherwise) and being too reduced - Strauss and Hoffmansthal make a point of that in Ariadne auf Naxos). But even then you have to weigh that against the effect of cutting it out and what it does to the music, and that's also a trade-off - and one that I often find isn't worth it. Coming from the other side (first being familiar with an album and then speaking out against an expansion because it's been just fine as it was, a rather popular argument in recent times) I find also deceptive: Just because a shortened cue seems fine (or even *is* fine) without closer comparison to the original doesn't mean it's superior, or that the longer version is inferior - not even if at first the original version seems "wrong". Whatever version you're used to can distort how you feel about the other one unless/until you're familiar with both. Sometimes both are fine, sometimes the shortened version is preferrable, sometimes the longer one - in general I usually find the longer versions harmless at the very least (as long as we're speaking of scores of a high musical quality) and shortened versions more often than not to have more downsides than they're worth, even if most of what they drop may not be "important". Or to put it differently: For a concert suite presentation, it may be good to rewrite these kinds of cues and remove the "downtimes", but then you'd also do more restructuring and make the changed thing work again. Simply editing the existing recording of the music as written doesn't achieve that as often as it's claimed, I think, and at the same time is often harmful to the music's integrity. blondheim, OneBuckFilms, Tom Guernsey and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: For a concert suite presentation, it may be good to rewrite these kinds of cues and remove the "downtimes", but then you'd also do more restructuring and make the changed thing work again. Simply editing the existing recording of the music as written doesn't achieve that as often as it's claimed, I think, and at the same time is often harmful to the music's integrity. This though has also struck me. Have you listened to any of the re-recordings of Trinity Infinity? Do they use the OST version, and if so, does the "edited" transitions sound less abrupt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I had no problem with the album edit. I noticed differences when we got the complete edition but nothing that made the album edit sound egregious by comparison (cough desert chase) Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: This though has also struck me. Have you listened to any of the re-recordings of Trinity Infinity? Do they use the OST version, and if so, does the "edited" transitions sound less abrupt? I didn't even know there are re-recordings. Well, except for the Symphony - I keep forgetting that exists, and whenever I remember it does, I wonder if it's worth picking up, and especially if the performance is good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 7 hours ago, crocodile said: Isn't it the same situation though? 7 hours ago, Jay said: No, not at all. Davis curated highlights for the last expansion, even editing down some cues from their full length. Wasn't the DE the opposite - consumer friendly in its presentation with bad sound? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 9 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: I didn't even know there are re-recordings. Well, except for the Symphony - I keep forgetting that exists, and whenever I remember it does, I wonder if it's worth picking up, and especially if the performance is good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 9 hours ago, Jay said: What? Wasn't the stereo field too broad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Isn't that the original recording? The official Varese page credits it as: Quote Main Title / Trinity Infinity (The Matrix) (03:54) Don Davis / Original Motion Picture Soundtrack Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Oh, I forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 23 hours ago, Jay said: Davis (or someone on his team) took the words "The Wachowski Brothers" or "The Wachowskis" and created anagrams from those letters for several cue titles ("Switch Woks Her Boar"). Some are anagrams of "The Matrix" too ("Exit Mr Hat"). Lol now I finally understand "Saw Bitch Workhorse"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 6 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: That's not a re-recording, that's the exact OST track unchanged. Read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Yes, we've already clarified that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 On 21/01/2022 at 7:49 PM, Marian Schedenig said: For a concert suite presentation, it may be good to rewrite these kinds of cues and remove the "downtimes", but then you'd also do more restructuring and make the changed thing work again. Simply editing the existing recording of the music as written doesn't achieve that as often as it's claimed, I think, and at the same time is often harmful to the music's integrity. I still think it's a good thing when the composer curates a selection for a satisfying listening experience away from the film. It's about getting the most listenable result out of the material at hand. mstrox and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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