Edmilson 7,432 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Which is the best theme for a female character in a Lucasfilm movie: Leia or Marion? Vote now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Rey's theme. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Marion's theme is good. Leia's theme is one of the best things Williams has written. Marion's theme isn't. Holko and SteveMc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 I'd say both are great, but to me Leia's theme has been played to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Princess Leia's Theme but just because of its sentimental value (not that I don't have for Marion's Theme but a bit less) I agree with JS: Rey's Theme is the best female character's theme Williams ever wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marc 767 Posted April 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2021 Wow, hard to choose ! Funny thing is I've actually covered them both And they are both absolutely delightful themes to play Jurassic Shark, Edmilson, BrotherSound and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 591 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Princess Leia's Theme is one of Williams' most complete compositions ever. The climax is second to none. Incredible piece that never gets boring (at least for me). Marion's Theme, even though I like it a lot, always felt like the "little sister" of Leia's Theme. It's a great composition too, but lacks the incredible climax that Leia's Theme has. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Hey @Marc, have you released any CD album of your film music covers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: I'd say both are great, but to me Leia's theme has been played to death. I understand what you mean, theoretically. I can't play the Indy scores too often anymore, and I usually take long breaks from the Star Wars scores (at least the SEs and albums). But I don't think I could ever tire of Leia's theme. When the Mutter album came out, its new recording of the theme with the brilliantly balanced climax was one of the highlights for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 ...and it wasn't even by JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 There's a difference? 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: ...and it wasn't even by JW. The performance was though, and that's the special thing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 It's certainly a refreshing arrangement, possibly exactly because someone else did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datameister 2,041 Posted April 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2021 I'll give it to Leia's theme, but Marion's theme is very, very good as well. Both of them are much better at broadly evoking the old-fashioned adventures these films emulate than they are at specifically representing these characters. Leia's theme just pushes it a little further, in a good way. Edmilson, oierem and Falstaft 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,354 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 I always rather compared Marion's Theme to Han Solo and the Princess. First because of the ovious similarities. At the first two notes you don't know which of the two it is going to be. Second they came out at about the same time, 1980 and 1981. And at the time both didn't have a dedicated suite of the theme on the OST, even though they are quite prominent in the movie (apart from the version on the Gerhardt album, that I didn't know at that time). In both cases (Leia and Han and Princess) the Star Wars theme wins for me. Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Went with Princess Leia's theme, though it's a hard call. Ultimately, it's the concert arrangement for Leia that clinches it, that thing is without peer. 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's certainly a refreshing arrangement, possibly exactly because someone else did it. I mean, not to minimize Pope's contribution, but it's still 90% Williams, right? The only part that would be "original" Conrad Pope is the lovely introduction, especially in the way it hints at Han Solo & the Princess in the horn part. After that, it follows the form of the original concert arrangement exactly, with (presumably Pope's) solo writing for ASM and some other slight reorchestrations here and there, all to good effect. 2 hours ago, Datameister said: Both of them are much better at broadly evoking the old-fashioned adventures these films emulate than they are at specifically representing these characters. Leia's theme just pushes it a little further, in a good way. My feeling too. Especially in ANH, Leia's Theme is really more a kind of "Archetypal Mythic Romance" theme, or even more specifically "Luke's Idea of Leia" than a real portrait of the character as portrayed by Carrie Fisher. Ditto for Marion. Very, very different approach than, say, Rey's Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Falstaft said: I mean, not to minimize Pope's contribution, but it's still 90% Williams, right? The only part that would be "original" Conrad Pope is the lovely introduction, especially in the way it hints at Han Solo & the Princess in the horn part. After that, it follows the form of the original concert arrangement exactly, with (presumably Pope's) solo writing for ASM and some other slight reorchestrations here and there, all to good effect. Listen closer towards the end of the piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oierem 152 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Falstaft said: My feeling too. Especially in ANH, Leia's Theme is really more a kind of "Archetypal Mythic Romance" theme, or even more specifically "Luke's Idea of Leia" than a real portrait of the character as portrayed by Carrie Fisher. Ditto for Marion. Very, very different approach than, say, Rey's Theme. That's why the theme is mostly heard when Luke watches Leia's hologram, not when he shares scenes with the actual Leia. Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bellosh 3,407 Posted April 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2021 Marion's theme. It's more interesting when used in the film. My favorite statement of it: 0:13 Oomoog the Ecstatic, SteveMc, Naïve Old Fart and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc 767 Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 On 4/10/2021 at 7:58 PM, Jurassic Shark said: Hey @Marc, have you released any CD album of your film music covers? Do you mean physical CDs ? If so I haven't, but some of my works are available digitally like this album : https://didiermartini.com/1m1/ Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 As some have said, Princess Leia's Theme is one of JW's great works. It has a complete emotional arc that plays out magnificently detached from any context, though I can't help but feeling that JW was working through personal emotions consciously or unconsciously in his music during this period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Both themes are absolutely played and recorded to death over the years. Leia moreso than Marion. But there's no doubt Leia is the better piece. That they've become such "evergreens" is not the themes' fault. Vivaldi's "Four Seasons", Orff's "O Fortuna" or Barber's "Adagio for Strings" are still amazing pieces, even if they've long since become over-saturated on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 And Across The Stars is basically Romeo and Juliet in Space. Recall the middle, about 2:26. So damn awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 PRINCESS LEIA'S THEME is lovely...and MARION'S THEME uses it as a rag, and cleans the toilet, with it. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 For those high string, feminine-like themes, I also prefer this to Marion's. At least orchestration-wise Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,407 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 @Oomoog the Ecstatic that's one of my favorite transitions in any score JW has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Is there a thread with more info or discussion on Pope’s contribution to this piece? I find it kind of appalling that he contributed his talent to this album with no credit. It seems to run entirely counter to the generosity and humility with which JW conducts himself by nearly universal report, as well as shattering my cherished image of Williams himself returning to all these themes decades later to reinvent them. Who else got asked to arrange for this album, and why does everyone act as though it was all Williams? It’s frankly Zimmeresque, but without the credit Zimmer always lavishes on his collaborators. I’m assuming the summer workshop Pope refers to in his Facebook post never happened because of COVID, but has he discussed the details anywhere else? I haven’t been this upset since I heard those distinctive violin sounds in the temp track for the climax of E.T…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,651 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, igger6 said: Is there a thread with more info or discussion on Pope’s contribution to this piece? I find it kind of appalling that he contributed his talent to this album with no credit. It seems to run entirely counter to the generosity and humility with which JW conducts himself by nearly universal report, as well as shattering my cherished image of Williams himself returning to all these themes decades later to reinvent them. Who else got asked to arrange for this album, and why does everyone act as though it was all Williams? It’s frankly Zimmeresque, but without the credit Zimmer always lavishes on his collaborators. I’m assuming the summer workshop Pope refers to in his Facebook post never happened because of COVID, but has he discussed the details anywhere else? I haven’t been this upset since I heard those distinctive violin sounds in the temp track for the climax of E.T…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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