MrScratch 294 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 13 hours ago, Tom said: Let's say your boss tripled your workload and for reasons having to do with his own lack of foresight. Would you be cool with that? OK, that would make sense, if the report is true. And it sounds like some of the bosses I've had... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 6 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: Gosh I hadn't spotted the Corigliano lift... it's such an incidental (and I don't meant that in a bad way) part of the symphony that you'd easily miss it. I think I'd spotted Ravel previously now you mention it although not Respighi or Martin, any chance of a steer on which works to listen to? (Not to drag McNeely, I'm just curious). Funnily enough, been listening to Respighi's Roman Trilogy a lot recently... The Frank Martin reference is that little hymn theme that pops up here in there in SotE, based on a section of Martin's "In Terra Pax." I'm blanking on the specific Resphigi ref but I think it was from either the Pines of Rome or The Birds. There's also, IIRC, a handful of grabs from Poulenc and Vaughan Williams too, and probably others. Should have written this down when I noticed them!... I'll post if I remember! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 whats all this about him almost quitting 9? Never heard that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,314 Posted April 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2021 53 minutes ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: whats all this about him almost quitting 9? Never heard that. The rumour goes that he nearly quit IX once he heard that Abrams was returning, after the experience on TFA. After seeing the final result, I don't blame him. WilliamsStarShip2282, Tom Guernsey and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Me neither. Man what a piece of trash. Tom Guernsey and MaxTheHouseelf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,359 Posted April 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2021 4 hours ago, oierem said: Really interesting info, @Jay, but I do have to ask if you vouch for the credibility of that deleted account. I'm not denying its credibility, I just want to know if its a legit source of information. It's elvisjones, a long time JWfanner or who only recently changed his account name to "deleted account". You can click on him and scroll back through his post history to see his explanation for how he knows all this if you want to: @deleted account Here's some I quickly found for you On 5/25/2018 at 12:44 PM, deleted account said: On 5/25/2018 at 12:40 PM, Jurassic Shark said: @elvisjones, could you say something about how you're involved in the industry? I work with a music editor, and I know a few composers. On 5/25/2018 at 12:51 PM, deleted account said: On 5/25/2018 at 12:48 PM, Jurassic Shark said: So what do you do? Are you assisting the editor on soundtrack recordings? All sorts of things - archiving takes, helping find temp music, programming streamers and punches (although that is very rare these days), conforming old temps or mockups from a composer to a new version of the movie during the editing process, helping find things for soundtrack reissues, stuff like that. once in a while i help with the printing and copying of the sheet music, and I used to do some orchestration work, but not really anymore. Beyond all that, I've met him in real life and know how he knows everything he posted, and know he has no reason to lie or make up any of it. Falstaft, TSMefford, mstrox and 6 others 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Falstaft said: The Frank Martin reference is that little hymn theme that pops up here in there in SotE, based on a section of Martin's "In Terra Pax." I'm blanking on the specific Resphigi ref but I think it was from either the Pines of Rome or The Birds. There's also, IIRC, a handful of grabs from Poulenc and Vaughan Williams too, and probably others. Should have written this down when I noticed them!... I'll post if I remember! Thank you. I’ll have to look that up when I get home. Annoyingly don’t have that work on my phone. I’ll give Respighi’s The Birds a listen. I don’t recall anything specific from TotE in the Roman Trilogy during my recent traversal (the excellent John Wilson release from last year if you’re wondering). Update. Didn’t see you’d thoughtfully posted a link to the Martin work. Imperial City if I’m not very much mistaken? Absolutely gorgeous. Love rich hymnal stuff like that. Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,314 Posted April 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2021 I know we're veering off topic but it really is the most horrendous twist (if true) that Williams lobbied hard to get Deathly Hallows and JKR stopped it from happening, for whatever stupid reason. Like, seriously. The man gave her character the most iconic musical theme of the past twenty years for goodness sake! Chewy, toothless, TSMefford and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 36 minutes ago, crumbs said: I know we're veering off topic but it really is the most horrendous twist (if true) that Williams lobbied hard to get Deathly Hallows and JKR stopped it from happening, for whatever stupid reason. Like, seriously. The man gave her character the most iconic musical theme of the past twenty years for goodness sake! I think it's probably because she realized that the only thing people will be talking about in twenty years would be the score of those three movies and not the movies in themselves Anyway between her and Yates the Harry Potter franchise is in good hand... Tom Guernsey and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Regarding those rumors about Williams almost quitting "Episode 9", I did notice at the time a lot less fawning over Abrams in interviews this time around. Which makes Abrams fawning over Williams seem more like he's scared than that he truly loves him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Outside the digital bonus feature, there really was very little fanfare from Williams for TROS despite the momentous occasion. It felt like he did much more publicity when TFA was released. It's like everyone just wanted to get it over with and move on. JJ didn't even bother recording a commentary track or putting deleted scenes together, and has barely commented since it was released. It's all very strange. I did notice the 'interesting' body language in that featurette when JJ, Williams and Ramiro are discussing Ben's theme during a break in recording. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 There was no JJ baby this go around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, crumbs said: I did notice the 'interesting' body language in that featurette when JJ, Williams and Ramiro are discussing Ben's theme during a break in recording. Where? 👀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Muad'Dib said: Where? 👀 The part where Williams discusses it was JJ's idea to invert Kylo Ren's theme. 5:16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,359 Posted April 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2021 Whoever it was that came up with the idea, that heroic version of Kylo's theme is freaking brilliant Also: How lame that that featurette gets locked into being a "digital exclusive" instead of something everyone gets to see on their DVDs and Blu Rays Once, WilliamsStarShip2282, Will and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jay said: Whoever it was that came up with the idea, that heroic version of Kylo's theme is freaking brilliant Also: How lame that that featurette gets locked into being a "digital exclusive" instead of something everyone gets to see on their DVDs and Blu Rays Agreed on both accounts. That's so common though about some featurettes these days. I imagine they will release another "double dip" edition that will eventually include this on disc ala Force Awakens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jay said: Also: How lame that that featurette gets locked into being a "digital exclusive" instead of something everyone gets to see on their DVDs and Blu Rays Unfortunatly it's always the case with the Disney related pictures. Before you had to own the Blu-ray to get the featurettes which weren't on DVD and now with Disney+ they all appeared to be digital exclusive TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 I guarantee they will probably release some Collector's Set at some point with all of this on it. Happened with TFA and the Kelvin Star Trek films. I miss the days where there was one release with everything on it. Of course they may release an Anniversary edition at some point with more, but that's usually 10 or more years later. In many cases now, featurettes are either on some digital service or spread between Best Buy / Target / Wal-Mart exclusive editions. It's annoying as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 I also doubt JK Rowling got involved with the music of HP to prevent JW from returning. That seems so far-fetched, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: I also doubt JK Rowling got involved with the music of HP to prevent JW from returning. That seems so far-fetched, but whatever. I don't doubt that. That sounds quite believable to me. Why wouldn't she have an opinion / get involved in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: I also doubt JK Rowling got involved with the music of HP to prevent JW from returning. That seems so far-fetched, but whatever. She's proven in the last years to be crazier and crazier, so who knows at this point. 47 minutes ago, crumbs said: The part where Williams discusses it was JJ's idea to invert Kylo Ren's theme. 5:16 Ah, right! Could be, JJ seems to be a little on the defensive and JW processing how the hell can he do what JJ's asking. In the end it was a good idea, but JW always the professional he is, complied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: I also doubt JK Rowling got involved with the music of HP to prevent JW from returning. That seems so far-fetched, but whatever. Well she did hired Yates for 6 movies (not including the upcoming ones) so that wouldn't be her first weird choice... MaxTheHouseelf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 The director of the later movies obviously preferred musical stylings of other composers and JW didn't seem to show much desire to return. There's no proof that JK Rowling wanted JW out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheAvengerButton 175 Posted April 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Falstaft said: The Frank Martin reference is that little hymn theme that pops up here in there in SotE, based on a section of Martin's "In Terra Pax." I'm blanking on the specific Resphigi ref but I think it was from either the Pines of Rome or The Birds. There's also, IIRC, a handful of grabs from Poulenc and Vaughan Williams too, and probably others. Should have written this down when I noticed them!... I'll post if I remember! I know it's not ol' Johnny boy, but I for one would love if you did a deep dive into the SotE score, covering it's themes and references like you did with the Williams scores. (Side Note: I'm putting together a reference sheet of sorts for Gordy Haab's new Star Wars scores for pseudo-academic purposes. I think it would be swell if some of "lesser" composers scores inside of Williams pantheon of music gets catalogued in some similar fashion) Fabulin, Cerebral Cortex, Falstaft and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 3 hours ago, crumbs said: The rumour goes that he nearly quit IX once he heard that Abrams was returning, after the experience on TFA. After seeing the final result, I don't blame him. Instead he just quit after 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 24 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: The director of the later movies obviously preferred musical stylings of other composers and JW didn't seem to show much desire to return. There's no proof that JK Rowling wanted JW out. What are you talking about? That doesn't even line up with the public stories: Quote Harry Potter Fan Zone (HPFZ): Was John Williams ever asked to score Deathly Hallows: Part 2? Did he decline? David Heyman (DH): Yes, he was. We wanted to make it work with John but John’s schedule didn’t permit. David Barron (DB): He was just unavailable unfortunately. HPFZ: He wanted to do it? Both: He did, very much so. DH: We asked him around the time of [movie] six. Actually, we talked to him all the way along [about coming back for the end] but his schedule didn’t permit. Quote On John Williams not returning for Deathly Hallows – Part 2, director David Yates said that in order for John to have returned, he would’ve needed to provide John with a rough cut of the film sooner than was possible. Their schedules simply did not align, but he did make it clear both Williams and Yates wanted to work with each other. Clearly it was something both Williams and Yates did indeed want. It's possible there were scheduling issues, but also just as possible that JKR voted against it and they went with this schedule conflict story publicly to not damage egos or cause problems or whatever. That wouldn't be the first time that something like that would've happened either. It could false, for sure, but I don't think it is at all unbelievable that it could've gone down that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Okay, so you've presented an entirely different reason for JW not to do it with absolutely no proof JK had anything to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Yeah...I don't understand where anyone is getting the idea from that JKR didn't want JW to return. That's just bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 37 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: Okay, so you've presented an entirely different reason for JW not to do it with absolutely no proof JK had anything to do with it. Yep, but I didn't say it was proof of that. I quoted those to disprove this part of your comment: 1 hour ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: The director of the later movies obviously preferred musical stylings of other composers and JW didn't seem to show much desire to return. That is clearly not the case according to those interviews. I also literally said this if you read my post again: 41 minutes ago, TSMefford said: It could false, for sure, but I don't think it is at all unbelievable that it could've gone down that way. To reiterate, I'm not saying that it 100% happened at all. I'm just finding it weird that you would immediately find that scenario completely unbelievable. It's definitely a believable turn of events in my eyes. It certainly could have happened. Again, could have, not that it did. Good grief, why does everything on the internet have to be either 100% for or against something? That's not how thoughts work. If people are willing to believe all the Star Wars rumors posted by that same user, then why is the JKR one so unbelievable? That was the question I initially posed to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 I don't believe any of these rumors. They're just that. It's unsubstantiated possibly Fake News. I doubt JW even knows who Michael Giacchino is, for instance, and I've been saying that for years. Not sure why you're getting so bent out of shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Lol. I'm fine. I was mostly just mildly irritated that you were acting as if I believed the rumors to be 100% true and that I was even trying to prove them true somehow, instead I was mostly confused about your assumption of Yates' and Williams' motivations when there actually is proof to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 8 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: I doubt JW even knows who Michael Giacchino is, for instance, and I've been saying that for years. Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Yah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Hmm most of these ROgue One information had slipped my knowledge. It saddens me my two favourite composers had have this kind of headbutting I would love to hear Giacchino's early versions...i hope they vere recorded (and never deleted on purpose...). I think that What giacchino did was what everyone was expecting of the score. I could really have lived with "Rogue One Original themes by Joyhn Williams, Music composed and adapted by Michael Giacchino". And heck. I would have loved to have a Williams Rogue one score. Why are they so scared to ask him to score sequels, spin offs or derivative scores? He can always decline, but at least he doesnt feel alienated and angry for not being asked...which seems what seems to happen. He probably wouldnt want to score those projects, but wants to have the opportunity. And please just cancel out JKR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 14 hours ago, crumbs said: there really was very little fanfare from Williams for TROS I guess he was tired of writing fanfares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I was waiting for someone to point that out. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChrisAfonso 186 Posted April 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2021 He got around that by just calling the Main Title "Fanfare"... Jurassic Shark, crumbs and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I wonder if the lack of bootlegs regarding Rogue one could be in part because Williams attitude. Maybe Giacchino does not want to make him angry so he has been more tight-fist with this score's material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted April 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2021 20 hours ago, crumbs said: The part where Williams discusses it was JJ's idea to invert Kylo Ren's theme. 5:16 Jay, Holko, crumbs and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I told you the body language was... uh, interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted April 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2021 19 hours ago, TheAvengerButton said: I know it's not ol' Johnny boy, but I for one would love if you did a deep dive into the SotE score, covering it's themes and references like you did with the Williams scores. (Side Note: I'm putting together a reference sheet of sorts for Gordy Haab's new Star Wars scores for pseudo-academic purposes. I think it would be swell if some of "lesser" composers scores inside of Williams pantheon of music gets catalogued in some similar fashion) That would make a really nice side-project. I do know and adore SotE very well, despite -- maybe in part because -- of the density of classical allusions. But it coheres really well as an overall musical story, and holds up very well in view of 25 additional years of star wars music since. Maybe some day... crumbs, Tom Guernsey, ragoz350 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Falstaft said: That would make a really nice side-project. I do know and adore SotE very well, despite -- maybe in part because -- of the density of classical allusions. But it coheres really well as an overall musical story, and holds up very well in view of 25 additional years of star wars music since. Maybe some day... I'm not hugely familiar with SotE, I've listened a couple of times over the years, but I'd be very interested to know the Poulenc reference you mentioned earlier. I'm a great fan of Poulenc! Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted April 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: I wonder if the lack of bootlegs regarding Rogue one could be in part because Williams attitude. Maybe Giacchino does not want to make him angry so he has been more tight-fist with this score's material. Expect an eventual full release to have bonus tracks like Johnny's Disappointment, The Williams Mandate, and Not Your Baby. Jay, crumbs, Edmilson and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,314 Posted April 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2021 Not to mention Write Your Own Bloody Music, Stick To The Dinosaur Movies and Stop Butchering The Force Theme. Tom Guernsey, Marian Schedenig, Edmilson and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 And of course Trauma Towner Tantrum. (Multiple edits because I'm not used to come up with authentic Giacchino titles out of the blue and keep find ways of making them more authentic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bored 309 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Stop Butchering The Force Theme. Yet another reason I love John Powell's score to Solo. Little to no pointless, ham-fisted uses of the force theme. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I don't think the Force Theme appears at all in that score. Happy to be corrected! But yeah, refreshing change from the onslaught of monotone Force Theme renditions throughout the sequel trilogy (sorry JW). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I'm not hugely familiar with SotE, I've listened a couple of times over the years, but I'd be very interested to know the Poulenc reference you mentioned earlier. I'm a great fan of Poulenc! Ditto on the Poulenc. I really enjoy SotE, it makes a good bridge between the originals and the prequels. Sure I wish it were a little more original but it makes me think Joel McNeely could write a blinding Star Wars score if he was asked. And these days I think he’d be a whole lot more original. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted April 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Alex said: Halfway through it looks like he suddenly remembers the 10 cues he needs to rewrite for the following day. crumbs, enderdrag64, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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