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To all members of JWFan,   Long time board member @Incanus has decided to step down from his Moderator position.  This leaves Ricard and Jason as the forum moderators for the time being.  We

I'd like to throw my hat in the ring as the third moderator.   Qualifications:   Read multiple biographies of other famous moderators, including Stalin and Mao Tend to enforce

FWIW, I was happy to see the new rules.  Granted, I'm largely a lurker, but I'd started visiting less and less (even swearing off the site entirely) because the content of some posts was really gettin

There are no post length restrictions on JWFan in any forum. Your comments about post lengths have been heard and considered and it was decided no rule about this was needed.  You don't need to bring it up again. 

 

If you don't like long posts, you can choose to not read them, or use the  ignore function to hide posts from users you don't like reading.

 

Thanks. 

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7 minutes ago, SteveMc said:

Many chances were given to keep off-topic discussion contained in the off-topic subforums.  But several users continually kept bringing them into the wider forum, an action which was probably always the central point of interest with them.  So, restrictions on those behaviors became necessary I and many others feel.  

 

And you are? 

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2 hours ago, Koray Savas said:

The glory days of JWFan are long gone, but I don’t think letting a handful of people spread politics and negativity to every thread is the solution. 

 

In the wider thread content here, I can totally see the issue with that scenario. But banning more unwieldy (but perfectly standard) subjects outright? That's not my bag. But I'm not trying to get into a debate about it now, it doesn't matter. 

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5 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

Time slips away and leaves you with nothing but boring stories of glory days

 

Check out Jennifer Nettles version of that at the Kennedy Center Honours for Bruce. Solid cover (and I hate covers).

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

Time slips away and leaves you with nothing but boring stories of glory days

 

Certainly on here, absolutely. Although the real blame for that ultimately rests at the door of the medium itself, and the state of it. But I can also understand how tales of the glory years might be boring to those who weren't there for them. 

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15 minutes ago, Glóin the Dark said:

 

I don't think that what you're saying there makes sense. If it is possible to formulate and enforce rules prohibiting certain varieties of off-topic discussion from the entire message board then it would also be possible to formulate, and even easier to enforce, similar rules prohibiting such subjects outside any designated subforum. So, whatever the driving force behind the new restrictions may be, I don't see how it can be what you've suggested.

I don't think it would be possible to enforce a strict separation like that.  I think there was already an informal separation in some regards, and there was a great deal of bleed through.  As a said, I think being off-topic and controversial and even rude in the JW and GD subforums seems to have been a big appeal for some folks, so that had to be dealt with directly, and I think the course taken does that.

The new rules uphold a general code of conduct to deal with certain posting habits that manifested themselves across all topics.

 

 

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1 minute ago, The Illustrious Jerry said:

Man, I'm going to miss when you could assign an intellectual disability to any poster you didn't agree with after calling them the hard c-word. The sort of discourse that really brings out the best in people. Made for some fine reading material too. If those weren't the glory days I don't know what was. Truly a classier time.

 

 

 

 

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Glory days. On a forum. About film music. 
 

That’s rock and roll that is. 

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13 minutes ago, SteveMc said:

I don't think it would be possible to enforce a strict separation like that.

 

Enforcing it would literally involve nothing more than checking what subforum a potentially offending post was in before imposing sanctions.

 

16 minutes ago, SteveMc said:

The new rules uphold a general code of conduct to deal with certain posting habits that manifested themselves across all topics.

 

To clarify, my post was purely addressing the issue of topic (not tone) of discussion.

 

14 minutes ago, His Royal Noelness said:

Politics haven’t been allowed for ages. Now it’s in writing. 

 

As far as I know politics has always been against the rules, in writing, and it was only the enforcement of those rules which was suspended in November 2015 (when Other Topics became a sort of Hamsterdam for political subjects) before being resumed quite recently. The new system only implies that there will be more vigorous enforcement of those rules henceforth. But, again, if incivility and inappositeness were the only issues which the new system was devised to eradicate, then the extra vigour would simply be directed towards those offences - as will presumably be standard practice in threads on Howard Shore or George Lucas or fried mushrooms...

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17 hours ago, The_Trout said:

FWIW, I was happy to see the new rules.  Granted, I'm largely a lurker, but I'd started visiting less and less (even swearing off the site entirely) because the content of some posts was really getting to me.  I just felt increasingly unwelcome, even in the shadows.  Here's hoping change is good!

 

Did you have an account here years and years ago, and produced E-comics?

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48 minutes ago, Glóin the Dark said:

But nothing that you wrote there applies to what I said (in the post that you quoted; some of it could be applied to my subsequent post).

 

No, I was specifically commenting on how restricting it to the off topic boards didn't help, because that stuff still crept (or was crept) into the main boards.

 

And in the end, this *is* a John Williams message board, along with all the stuff that includes (film music, films, music, etc.). Off-topic stuff is fine as long as it doesn't cause trouble, but we shouldn't expect the mods to have to bother with controversies that have nothing to do with what this board is about. Plus it's much harder to peacefully coexist with some poster in an on-topic thread if you keep seeing them post political hardliner in the off-topic board.

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11 minutes ago, Jay said:

I think you're thinking of @artyjeffrey

 

You're already abusing your power of mod by gaslighting me with your authority!!!! 

 

 

:P Naw but seriously I'm thinking of a member who I swear had the same username like over ten years ago, with a link to their webcomics.

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5 minutes ago, Jay said:

Probably @The_Troutis who you are thinking of then, since if you click his username his profile page says he joined in 2003

 

She has 361 posts, but I only see like 12 posts dating from 2015, so that's why I was confused and thought it was a sperate account.

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46 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

No, I was specifically commenting on how restricting it to the off topic boards didn't help, because that stuff still crept (or was crept) into the main boards.

 

And that's what I feel wouldn't make sense [i.e., the tactic of imposing a total ban to prevent such creeping], because you'd still have to do the job of enforcing it. If there's a problem of people defecating in the streets and you try to show your intolerance by banning all public toilets, you still have to patrol the streets but now also the areas where the toilets used to be.

 

The point you made about it being difficult to judge at which point a thread becomes political is a valid one (albeit not one which is relevant to the notion of legitimate political threads), but a ban on discussion of politics doesn't solve the problem; it merely shifts it. Political ideas are not extricable from art (and certainly not from films) so the scenario where a chain of posts gradually becomes political without anyone being obviously to blame is still very much alive.

 

46 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

Plus it's much harder to peacefully coexist with some poster in an on-topic thread if you keep seeing them post political hardliner in the off-topic board.

 

I don't think I've ever felt such difficulties myself. I've also seen a lot of vitriol among certain members on non-political film and music issues!

 

46 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

And in the end, this *is* a John Williams message board...we shouldn't expect the mods to have to bother with controversies that have nothing to do with what this board is about.

 

Indeed. I believe I'm on record from long before the 2015 Hamsterdam experiment as being in favour of the legalisation of (civil) discussion of politics and religion, but I'm not under the delusion that my preferences on the matter have any significance. I'm not trying to lobby for a change in the rules, but I think it's fair to call out arguments which have massive holes in them. Ultimately the message board is whatever Ricard says it is, and if he wakes up one day and says it will be dedicated to discussion of Morris dancing, we can like it or lump it.

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6 hours ago, mrbellamy said:

 

I think part of the problem is that when it has been allowed it's loosely defined, just a few threads which is hard to contain when discussions get crazy plus any random, more innocent news thread can always veer off too. Maybe never enough of a hard line in the sand between Other Topics and Controversial Topics whenever the latter has been allowed.

 

Nobody has been able to make it work here for some reason, mods or users, but I've been on forums that had a designated news/political subforum and the rule was to keep everything in there if you wanted to talk about it, free reign, unlimited threads but no exceptions anywhere else. There were even subforums within subforums for celebrity scandals, elections, etc. People were always pretty good about it, I rarely checked in there and rarely saw it leak out. If one specific thread on an item got out of hand, mods could lock that without having to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 

 

I mean, for a lower stakes example hasn't the Tolkien subforum been working well? Obviously people still talk about LOTR and The Hobbit elsewhere but it's not like it was. I think creating one for news/politics could be productive. It's impossible to contain in random threads but a subforum, I feel like that would draw the sharpest line while being something our more acid-tongued friends might accept in exchange for loose moderation (with the obvious all-encompassing exceptions like porn/nudity, anything NSFW or illegal, harassment) and finally, actually zero tolerance on the rest of the site. I can sympathize when some guys feel like they don't even know what subjects are allowed in Other Topics, but with a dedicated subforum for the "when in doubt" cases, there'd really be no excuse. Like the JWFan Red District or something. Other Topics: After Midnight. "Take that shit to The Basement." 

 

But I'm just here for the old guy. I've never minded the weird tangents and political bullshit myself but I don't consider it the beating heart and appeal of this forum either. Overall I think Jay and Ricard are doing their best with a thankless job so thanks.

 

Sounds like good reasoning and common sense, but what you have to remember is modern JWFan is populated by smiling mini Putins who would rather silence and squash disagreeable discourse outright rather than ignore and be tolerant of it. 

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4 hours ago, The_Trout said:

Didn't change here for the sake of consistency.


That's definitely a quirk I can relate to. On Discord, I've changed my proper username to CinderTech, and am likely to change to that elsewhere (including here). However, I've still kept the older one as the nickname in my small private server of friends, since everyone is too used to it. In a way, I haven't gotten to really adjust to the newer name, so I'm not sure where to go with that.

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