Holko 9,400 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 13 hours ago, Jay said: It's just so sloppy! I wonder how much of the 6 hours will be really crude early takes of songs like this vs more polished stuff (or even, how much of the doc is music being performed and how much is other stuff) Didn't you see the earlier trailer? It's gonna be a window into their creative process, being friends, messing around, then great music coming out in the end. It's gonna be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,449 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Will we see Ono stealing George's digestive (or was that from the "White Album" sessions?)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,280 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 2 hours ago, bruce marshall said: He agrees. https://youtu.be/ZQS91wVdvYc I watched the first 20 minutes, and to me it felt weird how they build a bridge from western classical music to 20th centrury popular music, Rock'n'Roll and the Beatles by completely ignoring the influences of jazz, gospel, soul and blues completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Will we see Ono stealing George's digestive (or was that from the "White Album" sessions?)? I think that was Abbey Road, actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I just saw the clip. It seems interresting. It's fun to see them without artifice, looking each others in the eyes. I always prefered The Beatles before they started to produce over-worked studio albums. For me, they lost themselves somewhere on the road... and well, the group exploded. When a group of performers can't reproduce live the content of their albums anymore, that's the begining of the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 49 minutes ago, Bespin said: I always prefered The Beatles before they started to produce over-worked studio albums. For me, they lost themselves somewhere on the road... and well, the group exploded. When a group of performers can't reproduce live the content of their albums anymore, that's the begining of the end. I used to be the kind of person that loved artists that were "the studio is itself an instrument" type of groups but I feel this artifice has reached such an extreme in the digital age that lately I much prefer music that is produced simply by people playing instruments in a room together (or at the very least studio recordings that seek to produce that effect/feeling in the listener). Docteur Qui and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 18 hours ago, mrbellamy said: I feel like there's probably a lot of crossover between John Williams fans and Beatles fans who love Sgt Pepper or Abbey Road the most. Wow. Is that a thing? I hate being predictable but it's nice to be in a group. 9 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: I love SGT. PEPPER, and ABBEY ROAD, and THE BEATLES, but my love for these pales in comparison to my adoration of REVOLVER. I bet that's true. I always have a sneaking suspicion there's a chunk of Beatles that I haven't really explored. Like when I discovered "I've Just Seen a Face" and it's now in my top favorite Beatles songs. I mean, Revolver has Eleanor Rigby on it. That's an achievement right there. I grew up listening to Phil Collins (first three albums). And on his first album he covered Tomorrow Never Knows. I had no idea it was a Beatles song. Or what a legendary Beatles song it was. Looking back I'm astonished that he even attempted it or that he did as well as he did. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,235 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Bespin said: When a group of performers can't reproduce live the content of their albums anymore, that's the begining of the end. Many artists don't want their live performances to be an exact replica of their studio recordings (fortunately). bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Holko said: Didn't you see the earlier trailer? It's gonna be a window into their creative process, being friends, messing around, then great music coming out in the end. It's gonna be amazing. Of course, I Was just wondering about percentages; how much of the 6 hours is music being played, how much is being friends and messing around and everything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 8 hours ago, GerateWohl said: I watched the first 20 minutes, and to me it felt weird how they build a bridge from western classical music to 20th centrury popular music, Rock'n'Roll and the Beatles by completely ignoring the influences of jazz, gospel, soul and blues completely. Those are mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 Peter Jackson apparently got Disney to allow uncensored cursing in the doc I was wondering about this. Can't wait for Paul McCartney to say "fuckface" on Disney+ Naïve Old Fart and Holko 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 I know this ship sailed a long time ago, but I really wish we had footage like this from making Abbey Road AKA the ACTUAL last Beatles album. (The rooftop concert was the day I was born.) For one thing this means George Martin isn't in it, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 45 minutes ago, Tallguy said: For one thing this means George Martin isn't in it, right? I don't know if he's on camera at all for this doc but George Martin was producer for the actual sessions, wasn't he? Spector got official producer credit but all of his work was after the recordings were completed. Martin is even credited with playing a couple of instruments according to Wikipedia Quote George Martin – Hammond organ on "Across the Universe", shaker on "Dig It", string and brass arrangements on "Let It Be", production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Yes I will always consider Abbey Road to be the actual last Beatles album and listen to it after Let It Be if I'm doing a big chronological run Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,280 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Yes. I remember, I heard that the Let It Be songs were recorded or at least written before Abbey Road. So, in fact Abbey Road was their last regular album. Let It Be was more a collection of stuff they had done before but not used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 54 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I don't know if he's on camera at all for this doc but George Martin was producer for the actual sessions, wasn't he? I'll have to check my history. I thought they had to ask (beg?) him to come back for Abbey. Reading a few articles: It's complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 After the white album (recorded May->Oct 1968, released Nov 1968), they had that contractual Yellow Submarine album come out in January 1969 (which only contains 4 new songs on it, that they had recorded before they worked on the white album, and those 4 songs are on Mono Masters anyway, so I don't bother with this "album" at all, personally). In January 1969 they started working on Let It Be (originally called Get Back) with the documentary crew filming them, culminating in the famous rooftop concert January 30th 1969. Glyn Johns prepared potential album mixes, but they were all rejected, and all that came out was the Get Back / Don't Let Me Down single in April 1969. Instead, they wrote and recorded Abbey Road from February to August 1969, with the last time all 4 members recorded together being August 18th when they finished recording "The End". Lennon told the group he was leaving on September 20th, just ahead of the final album releasing on September 26. The remaining Beatles without Lennon went back to Glyn Johns and worked on preparing the material for album again, and eventually Phil Spector came in in early 1970 and made more changes (dropping Teddy Boy and Don't Let Me Down, adding Across The Universe, adding orchestral overdubs to four songs). Since the film featured "I Me Mine" prominently, yet hadn't been fully recorded properly, McCartney/Harrson/Starr re-recorded it in January 1970 without Lennon, and they also recorded some more for Let It Be (the song), and that was the last time "The Beatles" recorded anything until 1994. On April 10 1970 McCartney announced he was leaving The Beatles a week before his solo debut album McCartney released on April 17th. The Let It Be album was released on May 8th and the film on May 13th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jay said: so I don't bother with this "album" at all, personally Yes and I get tetchy with people who insist on counting it as a "canon" album. But then again I happily the Magical Mystery Tour US LP in my canon so I can't say that I'm consistent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 The US edition of Magical Mystery Tour "feels" like a proper album so I count it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 George Martin is in the original Let It Be movie IIRC, you can see him hanging out and stuff I believe this is him bottom left with Billy Preston? So he'll be there. This Reddit comment seems to summarize George Martin's involvement accurately (should be noted when it mentions "Famously, George quit" it refers to Harrison). But seems Martin sort of "executive produced" the original sessions and would just kinda pop in and out, with Glyn Johns engineering. Then Martin produced the sessions for the singles, including arranging orchestra/choir for "Let It Be", and was asked to do his own mix of the album when they weren't happy with Johns, but declined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,449 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: Yes I will always consider Abbey Road to be the actual last Beatles album... That's because it is the last Beatles album. 1 hour ago, Jay said: ...and listen to it after Let It Be if I'm doing a big chronological run Do you include B-sides/EPs/standalone singles? Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Of course You might be curious to see this 12 (!) year old post of mine Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,449 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Just now, Jay said: Of course ...is the correct answer A friend of mine (yes, I do have them) once asked what Beatles he should listen to, as an introduction. I replied "All of it, in chronological order. Start at the beginning, with Love Me Do, and don't stop until Her Majesty. They are that important". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 Official runtime is almost 8 hours, differing from the originally reported 6 hours Quote Part one is 157 minutes. Part two is 173 minutes. Part three is 138 minutes. Chen G. and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Typical Peter Jackson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,449 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Yeah, and while we're on the subject...what the hell is all this "Directed by Peter Jackson" jive?! He never directed a single frame of it! "Directed by Michael Lindsay-Hogg Assembled by Peter Jackson" might be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,400 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Directed by Michael Lindsay-Hogg Yeah, as if he could tell the Beatles what to do or how to do it. More like he was just allowed to be there, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,449 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 It doesn't matter whether he was allowed to be there, or not. It's his name on the director's credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,612 Posted November 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2021 Can’t wait for the EEs Holko, Chen G., Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 "directed by" on a documentary has always meant something different than "directed by" on a narrative film. Senna is entirely comprised of existing footage, yet is still directed by Asif Kapadia Once and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,423 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 The director of a documentary isn't supposed to put together archive images to rebuild a narrative story? Because with this 8 hours, one might think that Jackson assembled every single archive footages he found. Still looking forward to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: The director of a documentary isn't supposed to put together archive images to rebuild a narrative story? Because with this 8 hours, one might think that Jackson assembled every single archive footages he found. Still looking forward to it Well apparently he edited that from something like 60 hours of total footage. Raiders of the SoundtrArk and TSMefford 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,423 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 That's a lot of footage. 8 hours are perfectly justified to me if there was that much footage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,449 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 So, if I got hold of 60 hours of Beatles footage (filmed by someone else, mind), and re-assembled it, could I say "Directed By Naïve Old Fart"? The fact remains that Jackson had no part in the creation of anything seen onscreen. His credit is as phony as "Reproduced By Phil Spector". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 Do you also think Stevie Wonder's "We Can Work It Out" and Ray Charles's "Yesterday" should be attributed to The Beatles first? Those versions aren't as different as I'm sure this will be to Let It Be. Isn't the old cliche that films are made in editing, anyway? Michael Lindsay-Hogg will get his credit, I'm sure. Might even be prominent. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,043 Posted November 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: So, if I got hold of 60 hours of Beatles footage (filmed by someone else, mind), and re-assembled it, could I say "Directed By Naïve Old Fart"? Yea Once, TSMefford and Tallguy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 I suppose more accurate would be something like "Peter Jackson presents Get Back" and to give him a solo "produced by" credit separate from the other producers, and Michael Lindsay-Hogg gets an "archival footage directed by". But it's splitting hairs, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2021 Sorry Richard, documentaries are made in the editing room. The raw footage is just building material. Jackson’s credit is accurate and earned. Docteur Qui, TSMefford and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,400 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I liked Part 1. It did feel a little overstretched but there were golden nuggets in there like Get Back being written/made up out of nowhere, I Me Mine premiered and its inspiration explained, all their messing around playing others' songs for fun. Interesting to see all the brainstorming and debates about where/how the concert should take place, knowing how simple it ended up. Horrifying to see George quitting, all of them continuing to jam hiding their shock, and Yoko sitting in George's spot and... doing her... thing. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I started watching yesterday morning. I liked it. But I think if you aren't already interested in the Beatles that this will not change your mind. I did like the intro with the brief history. What's the best Beatles documentary overall? BTW @Jay I made a playlist from your chrono order and started listening. My son asked "Why are all of these songs about girls?" I told him it was because they were 20 and that it would change and they'd start singing about taxes. Jay and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,400 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Tallguy said: But I think if you aren't already interested in the Beatles that this will not change your mind. Is that even its goal? Would anyone who doesn't like them even start it? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,449 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, Tallguy said: BTW @Jay I made a playlist from your chrono order and started listening. My son asked "Why are all of these songs about girls?" I told him it was because they were 20 and that it would change and they'd start singing about taxes. ...and walruses, and piggies, and onions, and wayward coaches, and waltzing horses. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,385 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Of course, editing archive footage is very much an artistic enterprise, so Jackson's director credit is very much deserved, just as it was with his brilliant THEY SHALL NOT GROW OLD. I've been sorta waiting for a press screening of this (at least the first part), but none has surfaced. Shame, because I would have wanted to see it on the big screen. I'll get to the Disney+ series shortly. Seeing a young Alan Parsons roam about is just as much a draw for me as seeing the shenanigans of the Fab Four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted November 26, 2021 Author Share Posted November 26, 2021 Paul discovering "Get Back" on his bass out of thin air is exactly what I wanted from this. That was magical. Watching them play through Let It Be roughly together for presumably the first time was also a highlight. bruce marshall and Holko 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I started to watch the 1970 movie Let It Be... I can't imagine they made a new 7 hours cut of this movie. Ok, they added colors. Nice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 4 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Paul discovering "Get Back" on his bass out of thin air is exactly what I wanted from this. That was magical. Watching them play through Let It Be roughly together for presumably the first time was also a highlight. YES! Having seen Part 1 and Part 2 already on Disney Plus, I can say this whole documentary has been an extraordinary thing to see and experience. For one thing, you really feel like you are there. I cannot wait to see the third and final part. I also know my late Dad is seeing this with me, God Rest his soul. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 John was right, Billy Preston really "gave them a lift," it's amazing what he brings to those songs after seeing them rehearsing without him. But I guess part of that too is the pure joy of knowing that's just how it's supposed to sound forever vs the early takes. The whole atmosphere changed once they got out of Twickenham in general. One of my favorite exchanges in part 2 - Quote Paul: ["Get Back"] is the first song we've really got into that we dig but... John: I dig "Don't Let Me Down" and "I Dig a Pony," personally speaking. Paul: Well, yeah. I still haven't done "Don't Let Me Down" satisfactorily for myself yet. John: Oh yeah, well, we're all great on it so just get yourself together, will you? Fucking rest in peace John Lennon. Also says everything that they both laugh at that. On paper it's way too easy to read bitterness into every little remark, especially on the verge of breaking up, when they're often just taking the piss. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,400 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Part 3 is fantastic. Overall the studio atmosphere is already a lot more easy and friendly but they're having so much fun during the concert especially! mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Finished Part 3... The Beatles: Get Back is the most comprehensive, personal and in-depth look at The Beatles' final public performance and the recording sessions I've ever experienced. Credit is due to all involved in making this three-part documentary "come together." Very well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,400 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 I wanna get the big new Let It Be box now. I was meh on the album on first listen but I've heard the songs enough in these 3 days that they grew on me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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