A.I. Artificial Intelligence (2001) - 2021 20th Anniversary Edition (reissue of 2015 3CD set) from La-La Land Records

[Richard Penna 3,685]

Stock music tracks are often not included in end credits, because they don't have to be, and there are stock versions of basically everything.

 

Not saying it's not JW-conducted, but it's far from case closed  

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

He does specifically mention one or two of them in the BTS featurette, so that would at least give credence to the possibility of his involvement. If not then I don't imagine he'd even be aware of their usage in the film.

[Richard Penna 3,685]

It's certainly a possibility yep. Although SS could also have mentioned to him that he was going to use those pieces in the film, but not to worry about them.

 

I've had this quandry with some TV show music which used a mix of composed and stock music - sometimes it's difficult to tell them apart.

[Chewy 2,388]

Since no one posted pictures of the new set (I think?), here it is:

 

 

The booklet and back cover are exactly the same as the 2015 set, with some mistakes fixed I believe.

[Jay 37,351]

Man, Titus is so good!  Using David/Monica for disc 1, David/Joe for disc 2, and David/Supermechas for disc 3 so nicely mirrors the 3 acts of the film itself

[Amer 2,099]

2 hours ago, Chewy said:

The booklet and back cover are exactly the same as the 2015 set, with some mistakes fixed I believe.

@ChewyIs this replacement set or the one with faulty disc 1&3 ?

[Jay 37,351]

A version of the 20th edition with fixed discs doesn't exist yet.  The only physical copies of that set currently existing are the ones with the extra music

[Chewy 2,388]

2 hours ago, Amer said:

@ChewyIs this replacement set or the one with faulty disc 1&3 ?

Faulty discs indeed  

 

From a certain point a view, the master that was pressed on disc 2 also seems to be incorrect although the music is the same as the 2015 set.

 

The last three tracks are different:

• The Reunion (T9) & Where Dreams Are Born (T10): these tracks have EQ differences (the same differences can be observed on some tracks on disc 3) => They sound brighter on the 2015 set.
• A.I. Theme (vocal version) (T11): both the 1st generation and album masters were used for the track (I believe to cover some saturation in the vocal performance).
  However, the version that was pressed on the 2021 release doesn't use the album master at all. => Consequently, we can hear some of that saturation effect when the vocal performance gets loud (at 0:29 for example).

 

I wonder if LLL is aware of this and if the new pressed sets will present the correct master for all three discs?

 

As for replacement discs that are meant to be sent to us in the next weeks, I don't think they announced they'll replace the second disc!

[Jay 37,351]

5 hours ago, Chewy said:

the master that was pressed on disc 2 also seems to be incorrect

 

[...]

 

I wonder if LLL is aware of this and if the new pressed sets will present the correct master for all three discs?

 

Huh.  That's an interesting development, and an excellent followup question

[blondheim 1,157]

I know this was an accident but in a way it is bringing a score back into everyone's attention that very much deserves it. Silver lining.

[Jay 37,351]

Did anybody besides me place an order with LLL after the FSM thread with the info about the new music popped up (Jul 13), and before they pulled the product page (later that night)?

Because I did, and it didn't ship right away of course, and I figured the order (which also contained Always and Somewhere In Time) would sit unfulfilled for a month or 2 until they got the fixed sets in.......... But then it shipped on July 27th, and arrived at my house on July 30th!  So do I have the misprinted discs or the fixed discs?

 

It's gotta be the misprinted, right?  They haven't said that the fixed discs are in yet, have they?  And the product page is still down, which I figured would only return once fixed discs were in...

[Bounty95 558]

The same happened to me. And I'm still trying to contact LLL because I ordered the Batman collection with it which was missing from my parcel... 

[JohnnyD 1,223]

22 minutes ago, Jay said:

But then it shipped on July 27th, and arrived at my house on July 30th!  So do I have the misprinted discs or the fixed discs?

 

It's gotta be the misprinted, right?  They haven't said that the fixed discs are in yet, have they?  And the product page is still down?

 

Only one way to find out...

 

Also, the product page is still down. Nothing comes up if you search for A.I.

[Amer 2,099]

My order of both SWIT and AI shipped on the same date as 27th (still in transit) I suppose it's the error disc's set. 

[Jay 37,351]

Fascinating. Let us know when you open it! 

[Amer 2,099]

On 8/6/2021 at 4:27 PM, Jay said:

Fascinating. Let us know when you open it! 

Here it is.. Just arrived! Boy am I lucky!! 

[DrTenma 116]

Are the correct discs, @Amer?

[Amer 2,099]

5 hours ago, DrTenma said:

Are the correct discs, @Amer

Nope. These are the Collectible Discs😂🤣😁

 

 

[Amer 2,099]

My feedback: 

 

17) The Moon Rising/The Biker Hounds (Disc 1) is 7:35.  The flow of the extension cues from disc 3 is superbly integrated ! I must say it makes for a facinating listen as a film version cue. (I dont know  exactly if the mix here synchronises exactly in the film -will have to reconfirm later) The segue back into the orchestra is definetly not smooth. The Original Pressing on Disc 1 is 5:10

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06) Rogue City - Jazz Source Cue #1 3:25 (Disc 3) mislabelled as The Biker Hounds (Extension) which it is clearly not.  Cool track on its own though! [NEW]

 

07) Inside Dr. Know's 4:30 (Disc 3) This is not an alternate  but the film version to the one included on the original disc pressing (which I suppose is an alternate take)

 

08) Rogue City -Rock Source Cue #2 2:05 (Disc 3) The other mislabelled cue Replicas is kinda atmosphereic /relaxing type. Reminds me of the Total Recall-esque  source cues.[NEW]

 

09) Helicopter  2:05 (Disc 3)  Source Music #3  or cue? Joseph Williams again? Mislabelled as Finding The Blue Fairy (Alternate) [NEW]

 

17) A.I. Theme (Vocal Version) 4:16 (Disc 3) As pointed out, its an alternate performance where the humming in the begining is relatively with a different intonation. (And I absolutely love the vibrato in her voice at 0:58 mark- very stirring and moving !) The mix is also different and the vocal is more upfront.The version on Disc 2 first pressing is 4:01

 

So, if you did get this you are lucky. I'm sure the existing stock is being destroyed and  the new master being used to make the replacements and new stock. 

 

Unfortunately these unique tracks will eventualy leak out there for everyone to see but I think the only way to counter that problem perhaps is to basicaly reinclude these alternates and additional cues in the new pressing /programing as a bonus easter egg, if its not too much trouble for the label and Williams. management. Just my opinion here. I'll definetly buy another copy as a back up-its in my top 5 Williams.

[JohnnyD 1,223]

... Something seems wrong with this feedback.

 

 

[Bespin 8,480]

The previous posts are Chinese to me.

 

Did they corrected some "minor" issues on the new edition, compared to the set we already have?

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

3 hours ago, Amer said:

So, if you did get this you are lucky. I'm sure the existing stock is being destroyed and  the new master being used to make the replacements and new stock. 

 

Oh believe me, they leaked immediately when people started receiving the set. 

[JohnnyD 1,223]

18 hours ago, Amer said:

06) Rogue City - Jazz Source Cue #1 3:25 (Disc 3) mislabelled as The Biker Hounds (Extension) which it is clearly not.  Cool track on its own though! [NEW]

 

 

07) Inside Dr. Know's 4:30 (Disc 3) This an alternate version to the one included on the original disc pressing. 

 

08) Rogue City -Rock Source Cue #2 2:05 (Disc 3) The other mislabelled cue Replicas is kinda atmosphereic /relaxing type. Reminds me of the Total Recall-esque  source cues.[NEW]

 

09) Helicopter  2:05 (Disc 3)  Source Music #3  or cue? Joseph Williams again? Mislabelled as Finding The Blue Fairy (Alternate) [NEW]

 

17) A.I. Theme (Vocal Version) 4:16 (Disc 3) As pointed out, its an alternate performance where the humming in the begining is relatively with a different intonation. (And I absolutely love the vibrato in her voice at 0:58 mark- very stirring and moving !) The mix is also different and the vocal is more upfront.The version on Disc 2 first pressing is 4:01

 

Track Six of Disc Three is indeed Rouge City Jazz.

Track Seven of Disc Three is NOT an alternate of Inside Dr. Know's, but rather the actual film version, which is included in the original pressing from 2015.

Track Eight is actually the alternate version of Inside Dr. Know's.

Track Nine of Disc Three is indeed Helicopter.

Track 17 of Disc Three is indeed the alternate version of A.I Theme (Vocal Version).

[Turbo 54]

On 8/5/2021 at 12:30 PM, Jay said:

Did anybody besides me place an order with LLL after the FSM thread with the info about the new music popped up (Jul 13), and before they pulled the product page (later that night)?

 

Not with LLL, but I did place my order with a third party seller on the 24th.  They shipped it out a few days later.

[Amer 2,099]

7 hours ago, JohnnyD said:

 

Track Seven of Disc Three is NOT an alternate of Inside Dr. Know's, but rather the actual film version.

Track Eight is actually the alternate version of Inside Dr. Know's.

If so, its even more perplexing. Track 8 which is 2 minutes is the alternate for Dr Knows? (Scratching me head )

[Amer 2,099]

8 hours ago, JohnnyD said:

... Something seems wrong with this feedback.

 

 

where? 

[DrTenma 116]

16 hours ago, Amer said:

07) Inside Dr. Know's 4:30 (Disc 3) This is not an alternate  but the film version to the one included on the original disc pressing (which I suppose is an alternate take)

 

08) Rogue City -Rock Source Cue #2 2:05 (Disc 3) The other mislabelled cue Replicas is kinda atmosphereic /relaxing type. Reminds me of the Total Recall-esque  source cues.[NEW]

 

Track 8 is a Rogue City source or an alternate version to Inside Dr. Know's? To my ears sounds closer to the latter (kind of an excerpt of Inside Dr. Know's)

[JohnnyD 1,223]

14 hours ago, Amer said:

where? 

 

Contrast the two posts. There appears to be wrong info. on your part. Ask @thx99.

 

9 hours ago, DrTenma said:

 

Track 8 is a Rogue City source or an alternate version to Inside Dr. Know's? To my ears sounds closer to the latter (kind of an excerpt of Inside Dr. Know's)

 

21 hours ago, JohnnyD said:

Track Eight is actually the alternate version of Inside Dr. Know's.

 

[DrTenma 116]

Sorry, I missed your post @JohnnyD!

[Jay 37,351]

Potential minor mastering differences aside, 13 tracks on the misprinted disc 3 are the same as 13 of the 14 tracks on the correct disc 3, while the remaining 4 tracks are brand new and are not on the correct pressing / the 2015 pressing

 

1. misprint 1 For Always (4:45) Performed by Lara Fabian = correct 1 For Always (4:45) Performed by Lara Fabian
2. misprint 2 Cybertronics (Alternate) (3:08) = correct 2 Cybertronics (Alternate) (3:08)
3. misprint 3 David's Arrival (Alternate) (3:10) = correct 3 David's Arrival (Alternate) (3:10)
4. misprint 4 Canoeing With Pinocchio (Alternate) (1:57) = correct 4 Canoeing With Pinocchio (Alternate) (1:57)
5. misprint 5 Abandoned in the Woods (Alternate) (3:34) = correct 5 Abandoned in the Woods (Alternate) (3:34)
6. misprint 6 Rouge City (3:35) = Joseph Williams' "Rouge City Jazz"
7. misprint 7 Inside Dr. Know's (4:30) = correct 7 Inside Dr. Know's (4:30)
8. misprint 8 Inside Dr. Know's (alternate) (2:05) = a new darker and less comical alternate for a portion of previous track that we never knew existed before
9. misprint 9 Helicopter (2:01) = Joseph Williams' "Joe's Helicopter Cue"
10. misprint 10 Replicas (Alternate) (4:02) = correct 8 Replicas (Alternate) (4:02)
11. misprint 11 Finding the Blue Fairy (Alternate) (6:00) = correct 9 Finding the Blue Fairy (Alternate) (6:00)
12. misprint 12 Finding the Blue Fairy (Orchestral Excerpt) (3:43) = correct 10 Finding the Blue Fairy (Orchestral Excerpt) (3:43)
13. misprint 13 What Is Your Wish (Alternate) (4:07) = correct 11 What Is Your Wish (Alternate) (4:07)
14. misprint 14 The Reunion (Alternate) (7:01) = correct 12 The Reunion (Alternate) (7:01)
15. misprint 15 For Always (Duet) (4:45) Performed by Lara Fabian and Josh Groban = correct 14 For Always (Duet) (4:45) Performed by Lara Fabian and Josh Groban
16. misprint 16 Abandoned in the Woods (album version) (3:10) = correct 13 Abandoned in the Woods (album version) (3:10)
17. misprint 17 = A.I. Theme (Vocal Version Alternate) (4:16) = different orchestral performance and vocal takes of the "A.I. Theme (Vocal Version)" (4:02) track from disc 2 that we never knew existed before

[Amer 2,099]

For me the new version of the AI Theme Vocal and The Moon Rising/Biker Hounds are the real nuggets for me here. But it's mind boggling to think how many such different versions of cues may have existed in different releases and discarded due to aesthetic choices of the composer and producer. Oh well, only Mr. Matessino knows best. 

 

I'd love to know what he would say about these alternate versions on A.I. 

 

[mstrox 6,651]

I suspect this accidental pressing is quite embarrassing for LLL and probably MM, and we won’t hear anything further on the record about it.

[Amer 2,099]

30 minutes ago, mstrox said:

I suspect this accidental pressing is quite embarrassing for LLL and probably MM, and we won’t hear anything further on the record about it.

We shall see.

[Bellosh 3,418]

so will this go back up for sale when the issue is resolved?

 

or is it all sold out?

[Jay 37,351]

It will go back up for sale when the corrected discs arrive and a re-shrink-wrapped into the unshipped copies of the sets

[Bespin 8,480]

Again, the last posts are chinese to me.

 

Do have to buy the new anniversary set or not?

[JohnnyD 1,223]

16 minutes ago, Bespin said:

Again, the last posts are chinese to me.

 

Do have to buy the new anniversary set or not?

 

你很快就会知道的。
Nǐ hěn kuài jiù huì zhīdào de.

 

No, I don't speak Chinese, but this translates to "You will know soon enough."

[Bespin 8,480]

Ok I'll wait further instructions, you can continue to speak chinese.

 

[Turbo 54]

36 minutes ago, Bespin said:

Again, the last posts are chinese to me.

 

Do have to buy the new anniversary set or not?

 

If you can get a copy of the anniversary edition now from anybody who has it in stock, it was made from the incorrect master which have several "bonus tracks" not found on the last release.

 

If you get a copy when LLL restocks, it is supposed to be the same as the 2015 release with no additional tracks or sound improvements.

[Bespin 8,480]

Why they do that to us?

 

Do LLL hate us as much?

[crumbs 14,306]

14 minutes ago, Bespin said:

Why they do that to us?

 

Do LLL hate us as much?

 

Just google around... you should be able to find other stores with stock of the "defective" release, if you truly desire it.

[Bespin 8,480]

2 minutes ago, crumbs said:

 

Just google around... you should be able to find other stores with stock of the "defective" release, if you truly desire it.

 

I have the 3-CD original set, now how does it worth?

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

On 8/10/2021 at 7:06 PM, mstrox said:

I suspect this accidental pressing is quite embarrassing for LLL and probably MM, and we won’t hear anything further on the record about it.

 

Nah. It just means we won't be getting that 23-disc Star Wars Saga box set after all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[crumbs 14,306]

The 30-disc Star Wars set was days away from being announced, but Williams rang Kathy Kennedy and demanded the entire release was scrapped the moment he heard the Helicopter source cue was accidentally released.

 

He also doused the only surviving Sugarland tapes with gasoline and threw them into his fireplace.

[Andy 4,122]

Out of weakness, I went ahead and ordered the uncorrected pressing from another retailer.  I contacted him and made sure it would be the July stock from LLL and he confirmed.  OCD is a horrible thing. 

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

Next challenge: get it signed by JW himself.

[Smaug The Iron 513]

Got my copy today. It is indeed the misprinted one. 

[Jay 37,351]

Yea it seems like after initially holding on to all the misprints they ended up shipping them all out later.  Interesting.

[Andy 4,122]

It may not be LLL shipping them at this point.  I got mine from moviemusic.  It's likely they got their batch before the mistake was discovered, and just continued to sell them.  I emailed Peter there personally to ensure that mine was the uncorrected misprint disc, and he confirmed it before I ordered.

[Richard Penna 3,685]

So if LLL haven't gone round their resellers asking them to pause sales, then is that a passive indication that perhaps having these in the wild isn't much of a problem for them? I suppose it largely hinges around whether JW is bothered by it.